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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-10 10:27 AM
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m$nbc - 'petreaus turned around a losing war in iraq'
petraeus came up with the surge.....it didn't fucking work...we're still there...we haven't won shit


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GodlessBiker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-10 10:28 AM
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1. LOL! That's rich.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-10 10:42 AM
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7. kinda sounds like we won something, eh?
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lame54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-10 10:29 AM
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2. Hooray - We Won - now, let's come home
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-10 10:29 AM
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3. Iraq? Never in the news...I thought we had already won that war.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-10 10:36 AM
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4. And the DoD has two months to get 42,000 troops out of Iraq
Edited on Mon Jun-28-10 10:47 AM by tekisui
to meet the August deadline. The most they have moved out of Iraq, so far, in one month was around 12,000.
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-10 10:37 AM
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5. Other than handing Saddam over for execution by his (equally ruthless) political enemies
what have we ACTUALLY accomplished in Iraq?
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Winterblues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-10 10:41 AM
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6. Well we eliminated about five million people that used to live there.
USA...USA...USA...USA...USA...
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-10 10:43 AM
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8. the surge was political cover for bu$h*/cheney imho
it did nothing to 'win' the war

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robdogbucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-10 11:51 AM
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11. ixion, don't forget
that it was actually the Kurds that captured Saddam, kept him cool for us until the right moment, then THEY handed him over to us. On the same night that our illustrious rulers passed the Patriot Act II I believe.


How coincidental, no?

I ran across a UCLA satellite study that debunked the "surge," in Iraq as simple ethnic cleansing, starting with Sadr City:


Study: Surge in ethnic cleansing led to reduced violence in Iraq.
By Amanda Terkel on Sep 19th, 2008 at 7:25 pm

A new study released today by the University of California, Los Angeles concludes that ethnic violence — not the Bush administration’s surge — was the primary factor in reducing violence in Iraq. As FP Passport notes, researchers used satellite imagery from the Pentagon to track “electricity use in Iraq before, during, and after the surge took place”:

“If the surge had truly ‘worked,’ we would expect to see a steady increase in night-light output over time,” says Thomas Gillespie, one of the co-authors, in a press release. “Instead, we found that the night-light signature diminished in only certain neighborhoods, and the pattern appears to be associated with ethno-sectarian violence and neighborhood ethnic cleansing.”

Last year, the Government Accountability Office also said that “there might be fewer attacks because you have ethnically cleansed neighborhoods, particularly in the Baghdad area.” Similarly, in April, CNN’s Michael Ware told ThinkProgress that if “anyone is telling you that the cleansing of Baghdad has not contributed to the fall in violence, then they either simply do not understand Baghdad or they are lying to you.” More here Iraq’s unresolved tensions.

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/09/19/study-ethnic-surge/




Just my dos centavos


robdogbucky
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w8liftinglady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-10 10:46 AM
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9. well...here's some data about our "WINNING"
http://usliberals.about.com/od/homelandsecurit1/a/IraqNumbers.htm

Troops in Iraq - Total 90,000 U.S. troops as of February 28, 2010. All other nations have withdrawn their troops.

U.S. Troop Casualties - 4,409 US troops; 98% male. 91% non-officers; 82% active duty, 11% National Guard; 74% Caucasian, 9% African-American, 11% Latino. 19% killed by non-hostile causes. 54% of US casualties were under 25 years old. 72% were from the US Army

US Troops Wounded - 31,822, 20% of which are serious brain or spinal injuries. (Total excludes psychological injuries.)

US Troops with Serious Mental Health Problems - 30% of US troops develop serious mental health problems within 3 to 4 months of returning home


Yeah...we're winning.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-10 10:47 AM
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10. More proof the MSM is a bunch of idiots...n/t
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