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alp227 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 10:58 PM
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Conservative middle schooler appears on Fox News complaining about liberal bias in school
Go to an American middle school campus today, and you'll discover a diverse bunch of kids: the wannabe gangstas, the video gamers, and the mall fashionistas, most of whom are woefully ignorant about current events in favour of their own social issues and the latest gossip about celebrity trivia like Justin Bieber's latest girlfriend. And then there are those who take initiative to read a newspaper page besides the Style or Sports section or a nonfiction book and are thus more knowledgeable about the world or news and such.

And then you have Sam Besserman.

Besserman, who completed 6th grade this year, is a conservative student from Beverly Hills, California. He appeared on Fox News Channel's morning show Fox and Friends this morning. (h/t: News Hounds) On Sunday, he wrote an essay for right-wing opinion site The American Thinker. Among his grievances:

The first time I noticed the bias was actually in preschool, where the teacher was reading a book about the importance of mothers and the inferiority of fathers. I tried to tell the teacher that dads might be just as important. The teacher responded in a sing-song, "No, listen to me, I'm the teacher."


The only male teacher I had might as well have been castrated. His voice was soft, his gestures were feminine, he didn't know how to run a class, and he had to rely on female assistant teachers to control the children. And, of course, the female teachers treated the girls ten times better than the boys and constantly reminded us of our alleged inferiority. One of the assistant teachers even put down our rhyme, "Boys go to college to get more knowledge, girls go to Jupiter to get more stupider," by reminding us that more girls than boys go to college because girls are smarter. And this only encouraged the girls to hijack our rhyme and switch the sexes around.


When I switched schools in 2nd grade, I suddenly found myself surrounded by bleeding-heart liberals. We were taught that minorities were victims and therefore good, and members of the majority were, by inference, bad. Similarly, we learned that America was the big, bad exploiter, and the countries my parents grew up believing were evil were not so bad after all. I asked my father about these issues practically every night, and he taught me the meaning of moral relativism. I thought he was being too kind, and I characterized it, instead, as moral inversion.

It wasn't until the Democratic primaries ended in 2008 that things started getting really bad. Liberals everywhere -- but especially at school -- seemed empowered by the prospect of a black man becoming president, if for no other reason than the color of his skin. One day, during a game of dodgeball, the old assistant P.E. teacher yelled to the other students to "Get the Republican, get the Republican!" meaning me.

Once, when I was reading to avoid listening to a yet another guest lecture about man-made global warming -- in which the lecturer told us we should all reduce our consumption of meat to one meal a week -- the teacher took away my book and said, "Listen, she's smart." But according to what we now know about the hockey stick graph, she wasn't that smart after all. My English teacher was no better. She made it completely obvious that she thought those who didn't like Barack Obama needed to see a doctor. She never had anything good to say about America and always exaggerated Native American achievements over those of European colonists. When I tried to express my conservative views, she would say that we didn't have time for that and we should move on.


These incidents happened at some private school, so Besserman transferred to the local public school Beverly Vista Elementary School. For him (at least) things go downhill from here:

At Beverly Vista, my first teacher was a full-time misandrist and global warming wacko. She definitely hated boys and men and constantly spoke of male inferiority. If a boy ever mentioned an accomplishment that happened to be by a man, she would bring up an accomplishment by a female (but always tied to the feminist movement), even though we weren't debating whether men or women were superior. In a forced attempt to make women's accomplishments the equal of the founding fathers', she said one of the early first ladies was the real brains behind her husband and told the story of a woman who disguised herself as a man to enter the army, emphasizing how courageous and important she was to the women of America even though no one had ever heard of her. And if she wasn't putting down men and praising women, she was encouraging us to become activists for women's rights, animal rights, and against global warming. I don't think she had ever heard of a conservative cause.

This past year, however, I seem to have been subjected to the ultimate in ideological bigotry. My social studies and English teacher should win an award. After Scott Brown won the third big election since Obama became president, she told the class, "Right-wing Nazis are taking office all over the place." She also told us, "Racist bigots from the south are refusing to shake Barack Obama's hand." She lectured us about Mao Tse-Tung and failed to mention that he killed 70 million people. She also told us that Russia was better off under communism and that under communism, people could rely on each other. To her, the only problem with communism is that it hasn't been done right yet.


For now just the kid has spoken. I don't wanna know what his parents think about the Obama administration, global warming, and politics/science in general after actually taking the time to read both his own editorial and a liberal blog breaking down a TV appearance of his. Starting in the fall Besserman will be homeschooled.

I've got some words for Besserman though: Generally, if you're the only person expressing something and you constantly have to defend it in spite of overwhelming contradictory evidence, you're in the wrong. Second, the scientific consensus concludes that humans are responsible for global warming! (Please don't tell me that you think that a deity created humans and lifeforms and that the Earth is 6,000 years old.) Third, realise that men have held power in America for centuries most of which were a time when women could not even vote. When you grow up and open your eyes you'll find out how childish and arrogant your "boys rule" mentality really is. Are men the ones being beaten/raped regularly and abandoned to support babies? No...it's usually women!

As for the 70 million people murdered by Mao, what about the thousands of innocent Iraqi and Afghanistani civilians killed in our money-wasting wars in Iraq and Afghanistan that are sucking money away from public schools of all places! (oh wait I guess you'd like those liberal indoctrinating institutions to shrivel up so that America will colonise the world! yippee!) What about the Latin American death squads backed by the Reagan administration in places like Guatemala...and in Nicaragua "in the name of anti-Communism"? The genocide and displacement of Native Americans thanks to those European colonists who you so dearly love? Don't you think that those reflect poorly on America?

But I've heard that you've been bullied physically, so perhaps I should add my disapproval of that.

What I think of homeschooling in general: If parents feel that they can be superior educators than those evil, socialist public schools, that's nice, but they should PROVE it by means of having a credential, periodical check by an evaluator, or standardised test among other things.
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Zoeisright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 10:59 PM
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1. The truth is liberal.
Lies are right wing.
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FarLeftFist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 01:56 PM
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62. America is the most liberal idea ever.
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 11:00 PM
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2. no pre schcooler notices that - he's a set up all the way lol nt
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 11:25 PM
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19. Yeah really
That is complete bullshit.
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Johonny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 10:20 AM
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41. I agree
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 11:03 PM
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3. And then of course anybody who tries to make a rebuttal is accused of "smearing a little kid"
Like that 14 year old kid with the squeaky voice who wrote some book and was promoted at the CPAC conference.
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 10:01 AM
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35. I'll proudly scream from the rooftops calling
the little shit the liar that he is - to his face, to his parent's face and to faux news.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 11:03 PM
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4. Looks like kids lying in school for their own personal gain is alive and well.
And to think...all I wanted was to keep my progress reports out of my parents hands, oh how times have changed! I bet his parents wrote the article and FoxSnews coached him on everything he was to say and do. :eyes:
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 11:05 PM
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5. No liberal would say one parent is more important
than the other. Set up all the way.
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 11:06 PM
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6. It's all bullshit, but the kid can still ride the the act to money and fame.
Blood relative of someone named Sarah?
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Hassin Bin Sober Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 11:08 PM
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7. Someone needs to keep an eye on this kid.
He'll be murdering prostitutes in the back of his van before long.
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d_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 11:30 PM
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22. lols
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Angry Dragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 11:09 PM
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8. He could be rush limbaugh's love child, one never knows
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KonaKane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 11:10 PM
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9. This is horseshit. No 6th grader is naturally that political.
He is a complete fabrication and set up, from top to bottom.
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haele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 12:04 AM
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27. There are parents who like to live vicariously through there kids -
Pageant parents, Sports parents, Stage parents - guess he's got Think-Tank parents.
Even when I was in sixth grade and basically growing up in various University history/anthropology departments as my parents were getting their master's degrees, I wouldn't write on my own like that. I could parrot a good rant (since I was eight, actually), but I really didn't comprehend causality and what the difference between propaganda and fact-based opinion/information dissemination was.
And, of course, I'd get a lot of positive feedback from most adults whenever I'd opine like I was reciting a master's thesis draft - in fact, many times I'd start going on about things I really had no clue about.

Instead of being exposed to Emerson, Shaw, Kipling, Sinclair, White, Meade, Heyek, Vonnegut, well as Hunter S. Thompson as I was - this kid has obviously been exposed to Rand, Buckley, Christol, and Will

Haele
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KonaKane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 02:45 PM
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69. This kid was obviously a political contrivence.
And not the first one I have seen. Another one was some preteen girl on iReport.com who was clearly studying to become the next Glenn (Glennette?) Beck. She had the little head tilts, the speech patterns and of course the twisted world views down to a T. So obvious that she was "manufactured" to appease the "awwww" factor in the media consumers.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 08:53 AM
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30. You're so cynical
All the 12-year-olds say "misandry." It's, like, the new "like."
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 11:11 PM
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10. Typical Fox "news" garbage
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 11:12 PM
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11. Anyone with half a brain cell believes any of this BS "liberal indoctrination" actually happened?
Edited on Tue Jun-29-10 11:13 PM by Commie Pinko Dirtbag
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darkstar3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 11:12 PM
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12. Oh, please, like that kid wasn't completely coached by his parents.
Name for me please ONE middle-schooler capable and willing to use the word "misandrist" in normal conversation as if it were an everyday occurrence.
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surrealAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 01:18 PM
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54. Kids even younger than that will use such words ...
... if they hear them frequently at home.

It's not his vocabulary that's suspect; it's the ideas he's expressing.
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BlueJazz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 11:13 PM
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13. This Kid is either brainwashed...a liar...or both. What a pack of Bullshit.
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 11:15 PM
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14. LOl... whatever..
:shrug:
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 11:17 PM
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15. In fucking pre school??? I call bullshit on this one!
Shit in pre-school I had a hard time telling upper case B's from lower case b's.
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spoony Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 11:17 PM
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16. A child's mind and a child's philosophy.
Anyone who actually complains about objections to their rhyme, "Boys go to college to get more knowledge, girls go to Jupiter to get more stupider" is not worth considering further, not until their little pea-brain reaches a higher place. I imagine that's why cons love that, though, and I assume he'll have a book deal by year's end.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 11:18 PM
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17. Someone cloned Rash Limpballs
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Indianademocrat91 Donating Member (287 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 11:18 PM
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18. This kid is a nut.
I just graduated from high school this year in one of the most conservative counties in America and I can tell you that the majority of teachers in my school were Republicans. Hell my ECON teacher had a Glen Beck book sitting on his desk and was a proud libertarian and always talked about how good Reagonomics was but hey I'm just a socialist. Oh and the fact that the most respected history teacher in my school is best friends with Richard Lugar and in class asked if any of us believed in the "stupid global warming?" But hey it's okay for Conservatives to do it because they are just bettering the world, and making up stories about seeing liberalism in teachers in preschool is just another way to crush the communistic tendencies of American schools..:eyes:
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 11:58 PM
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26. Correction: The kid's DAD is a nut.
There's no way this kid wrote this essay. No fucking way.
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kevinbgoode Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 11:26 PM
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20. Well, if the schools kept giving him "liberal misinformation"
then why didn't the kid explain where he learned all those "facts" he calls "the truth?" Obviously SOMEWHERE, someone had been telling him SOMETHING that he chose to believe. . .

So if he got it from his parents, then why didn't they just homeschool him anyway, since it appears they were doing it all along.
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Ramulux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 11:27 PM
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21. I'm glad this kid gets made fun of
Hes a fucking loser who is being brainwashed by his parents and I am glad that the other kids around him are giving him a hard time for being an idiot.

I also love it when conservatives think they are so much smarter than everyone else and there is this huge liberal conspiracy against them. I hope this kid pulls his head out of his ass by the time hes out of high school but it looks like hes been indoctrinated pretty heavily.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 01:51 PM
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60. Immediately thought of this....
Edited on Wed Jun-30-10 01:52 PM by BrklynLiberal
http://www.slate.com/id/2074452

Did Bullies Torment Richard Perle?Calvin Trillin's joke springs to life.
By Timothy NoahUpdated Thursday, Nov. 21, 2002, at 6:10 PM ET

Calvin Trillin writes political doggerel every week for The Nation. On Sept. 16, he published a poem titled "Richard Perle: Whose Fault Is He?" The satirical conceit was that schoolyard bullies who pushed Perle around as a child "have got a lot to answer for,/ 'Cause Richard Perle now wants to start a war." (Perle, who was assistant secretary of defense for international security during the Reagan administration, now chairs the Defense Policy Board, which advises the Pentagon, and is America's leading Iraq hawk.)

Imagining the childhood slights suffered by famous political figures is nothing new for Trillin. Years ago he wrote a hilarious Nation column purporting to excerpt Arthur Schlesinger Jr.'s childhood diary:

Today I asked those cool Kennedy boys again if I could play in their touch football game on the quad and they said again that I was a wonk and a weenie and a wimp and a grind and walked like a duck. I told them that someday I would be a famous historian and if they ever let me play with them then I would write whatever they wanted. …

The Perle poem wasn't quite as funny as that, but apparently it hit closer to the mark. After it appeared, a couple of Perle's childhood acquaintances contacted Trillin. "These sources basically said, 'How did you know this? We went to school with him,' " Trillin told Chatterbox. "It's kind of disillusioning. You can't even invent a slander in this country anymore."

Reminiscences about childhood bullies seem right now to be in vogue. The new Miss America, Erika Harold, has talked extensively about hers, and the Nov. 20 Wall Street Journal carried a Page One story in which reporter Jonathan Eig detailed the gratifyingly short and unhappy life story of his. (Becoming a journalist is perhaps the greatest method ever devised to exact revenge on a childhood bully.) Clearly, though, nobody bothered to explain sissy chic to Elaine Shrager, a self-identified classmate of Perle's at Third Street Grammar School in Los Angeles. Apparently slow to grasp Trillin's satiric intent, Shrager wrote The Nation a letter, published Oct. 21, arguing strenuously that bullies had not tormented Perle:

I saved a "slam book," which was popular at the time, in which we wrote our thoughts of one another and joked about our feelings, the way kids do. Eleven classmates signed, including Richard, and I recently reviewed it. Richard was remembered as very smart—not a "nerd" or a "wimp." Respected. I remember him as serious and polite in his Eisenhower jackets. … Richard was not teased more than anyone else—if at all.

<snip>

FANTASTIC!!!!
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 11:37 PM
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23. He objects to women's accomplishments even being DISCUSSED?
The kid is brainwashed and the whole thing is a total set-up. A big clue: "...and told the story of a woman who disguised herself as a man to enter the army, emphasizing how courageous and important she was to the women of America even though no one had ever heard of her." He portrays himself as a critical thinker--one who apparently doesn't critically think to wonder WHY "no one had ever heard of her."

Unfortunately, this kid seems to be a misogynist-in-training.

I think my reply could have been only this: "It's Beverly Hills, Jake."
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 11:41 PM
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24. It's called a persecution complex
Textbook example.
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TransitJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 11:49 PM
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25. "Reality has a well known liberal bias."
--Sir Dr. Stephen T. Colbert
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 12:06 AM
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28. I smell parental coaching
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name not needed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 02:10 PM
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64. Yeah, his dad definitely wrote that and slapped junior's name on it.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 08:41 AM
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29. Meh, nothing more than faux news showing their targeted mental democraphic. nt
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 09:10 AM
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31. the kid has some points and i perused quickly. i was always thrilled when boys
would get a male substitute. there weren't any male teachers in younger grade and we would often talk about the difference in teaching and communication and how it effected them, what they felt. as they progressed, i am seeing they get more male teachers. becomes more balanced. and i think that is healthy for both genders. i am not seeing that the male teachers are talking down to the girls, seems like they are well aware to be conscious of this, and i think some female teachers dont have that awareness because of the sexism we have grown up with and is in this world today.

in the lower grades the females teachers, as a whole do seem to prefer the girls. the boys do recognize this. they do talk about it. they do resent it..... reality. youngest had a teacher that told me a secret well into the school year. she said, i really like boys better. you could tell in her teaching and how my son felt in this class. conversation came up because we were often talking about sons learning issues and the point came up. never told son of course.

boys drool, girls rule is acceptable. even laughed at. isn't that cute. no boy would ever get away with a derogatory to girls in front of teacher. there are reasons for this.

a girl will kick, hit, pinch, bite, push and the boy basically has to suck it up, in the younger grades. a boy trying to defend self by pushing girl off will be the one that gets in trouble. a boy complains, and the response is ignored or they are told to toughen up. i have seen it too often to pretend it isn't happening.

we live in texas. my boys get the conservative. area one lives. i tell my boys to suck it up, educate, gain knowledge, and always speak out and always with respect. it has been met well by teachers and adm. and they have not gone too far in their conservatism
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 09:22 AM
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33. Most guys don't want to teach the lower grades. At least that is what the soon to be teachers
told me at college. I am actually going back to school. And it is an issue, not a lot of male teachers for pre-k until 4th or 5th grade. I had two in all the classes I took to get my pre school certificate. I have always wondered why working with the very young children does not attract a lot of men.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 09:56 AM
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34. i know they dont want to work in lower grades, and may even be actively discouraged
being of societal norm, i dont know. but it does effect our boys and the females teachers should be aware of this, and i dont know how much they are. you are going through the process. do they talk about this?
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 10:35 AM
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42. Traditional males jobs are not usually in daycare, pre-k, and the lower grades.
Edited on Wed Jun-30-10 10:36 AM by Jennicut
Fear of being labeled as feminine I think has something to do with it. And the poster below mentioned fear of being accused of molestation and sexual harassment. I think that has a lot to do with it. And one last thing is pre-school teachers in general are not paid the greatest. I love that age group and have worked with young kids for a long time, from daycare to group homes. I like the work so I will take the less pay. But people that work with little kids are not overly valued in this country. Maybe women are used to being paid less, sad to say.
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booley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 02:30 PM
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67. Actually fear of being labeled a child molester
Edited on Wed Jun-30-10 02:31 PM by booley
The Satanic Panics took their toll.

Many people assume that if your guy who wants to work with kids then your a pedophile in waiting.

IF your a straight guy, then you will have sex with the first girl you can find to get her pregnant. And if you're a gay guy then the first boy.. or girl who looks like a boy (the rhetoric is somewhat confused on this)

I mean, why else would a man want to work with young children, right?

:sarcasm:
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 03:19 PM
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72. I find it sad, really. My husband is great with our kids, who are 6 and 4.
Edited on Wed Jun-30-10 03:19 PM by Jennicut
A lot of guys can be great with little kids. And I say this as someone who was molested as a kid (only once, by a friend of our family). Not every guy out there is a child molester. I learned that over the years.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 03:27 PM
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73. well, it isnt true jennicut, that is the reason there are not male teachers in lower grades.
Edited on Wed Jun-30-10 03:30 PM by seabeyond
you had it about right that most of the male teachers more interested in coaching, and sciences math adn history in the higher grades. not to mention pay. and possibly a discouragement, though a guess on my part, because of societal norm. kinda like males breaking into nursing. there is absolutely no evidence the reason males are not teachers in lower grades is because they will be accused of sexual predator.
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booley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 03:48 PM
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74. Well yes most men aren't
It's not arational belief. It doesn't have anything but the most spurious of statistics to back it up. As species go, human males actually are very nurturing.

But that's what many believe. And belief trumps facts too often.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 03:51 PM
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75. is this merely an opinion of yours, or do you know for a fact there are male teachers for lower
grades that are not given positions because it is believed all males are sexual predators. because you sure do act like this is a fact and is the reason there are no male teachers in lower grades.
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booley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 01:06 PM
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78. Because I heard it when I wanted to be a teacher
Many times men are not encouraged to be teachers in lower grades or enter child care. And at least some of this has to do with the satanic panics in the 80s that painted day cares (especially men whop worked there) are crazed pedophiles.

One can also see this in the media where female predators are seen as novelties. But the creepy male teacher who seduces his students is a cliche. It's assumed that men are not nurturers like women and so many take the next logical step in that and assume that a man who wants to be around children who aren't his may have something wrong with him.

That doesn't translate into "all men are predators". But it does mean that more women apply for those jobs, more women get those jobs and more parents give hints that they are not comfortable with a grown man taking care of their little girl.

Have I done a double blind study researching this?

No.

But I have heard from enough people and seen enough of it myself to have a pretty good idea that it's going on. It may not be the only factor but sure contributes to the problem.
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Yupster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 10:12 AM
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37. One cause is sexual harrasment
Male teachers are very worried about being accused of sexual harrassment.

Any man not worried about it is nuts -- stay away from jobs that include things like bathroom issues, and little kids.
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wolfgangmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 10:58 AM
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48. Try this.
If a female teacher hugs a young student back it is considered normal. If a male teacher hugs a student or even touches one or smiles at one, it is considered grounds for a full investigation.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 11:05 AM
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49. not really. i know it is bad for men. but then.... a reality. but
women and men teachers where taught a specific hug years ago. as sad as it all is, and when teacher friend informed felt the sad of it. it is a reality for both genders. and the little kids, they love their teachers. demand and insist on the hugs regularly. will not be denied. so all do the best they can
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 02:19 PM
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65. Would you be so kind as to provide
"or smiles at one, it is considered grounds for a full investigation..."

Would you be so kind as to provide a link relevant to the "smiles at one" portion of your assertion? Although it's been over ten years since I was a full time sub, that's one I'd never heard in any of the in-services I attended. I'm presuming then that's it's either quite new, or corralled to only a very few ISDs. Either way, I'd love to read the Policy/Protocol. :hi:
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Yupster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 10:16 AM
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40. The lack of male teachers in elementary school is a real problem
Especially for inner cities where there may not be any dads in the homes either.

For many boys the only male role models they see is the custodian. Not a good situation.

Also, girlsd and boys learn differently. Put all women teachers in classrooms and they'll teach the way they learn best and the girls will do better than the boys. Not a big surprise there.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 10:49 AM
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45. agree with you on all. nt
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 09:17 AM
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32. Kid was told what to say and brainwashed by adults..presumably the parents.
Edited on Wed Jun-30-10 09:18 AM by Jennicut
And I am going to school to be a preschool teacher. There are not a lot of males in my classes. But we don't have bias toward the girls or the boys. It is not allowed. I have found I adore working with the boys too.

Kid needs a deprogrammer fast. Then again, I grew up in a conservative family and rebelled pretty fast, by 16.
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olegramps Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 10:09 AM
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36. Carl Rove replacement in the making. Brainwashed lying little bastard.
Fascist little creep who probably thinks Hitler got a bum rap.
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 10:13 AM
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38. Pre-schoolers notice liberal bias?
2nd graders can tell when they're surrounded by bleeding heart liberals?
Gym teachers yelling "Get the Republican" during a dodge ball game?

:wtf: Sorry kid but you fail because you're trying too hard. Next time tone it down a little and try to make the lies at least half way believable.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 01:55 PM
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61. Only VERY STRICTLY toilet trained ones who are taught to keep themselves immaculate
Edited on Wed Jun-30-10 01:55 PM by BrklynLiberal
and to ALWAYS do as they are told..or else!!!
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ChoppinBroccoli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 10:15 AM
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39. Another "Self-Sufficient" Conservative Whining About Being A Victim
Funny, I always thought Conservatives were the ones bloviating about how if you've got bad circumstances in your life, it's because you deserve them, and it's your own stupid fault, and if you don't like it, just pull yourself up by your bootstraps and change it. Yet every little thing that doesn't go their way, they throw that albatross around their OWN necks and cry, "Poor, poor me!!! I'm a VICTIM!!!"
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ChoppinBroccoli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 10:44 AM
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43. Does ANYONE Actually BELIEVE This Tripe?
I don't buy for a single, solitary SECOND that ANY of this actually happened. Not for a SECOND.

Yes, I'm quite sure there is a children's book in publication informing children that their fathers are inferior. Name the book, Junior. Let us ALL see what it REALLY says.

And yes, I'm also quite sure there was a Gym Teacher running around yelling, "Get the Republican!!! Get the Republican!!!" during dodgeball. Gimme a break.

This kid's story is 100% pure, unadulterated FICTION. What I want to know is what this kid's agenda REALLY is. He's got SOMETHING cooked up and he's trying to parlay his "moment in the spotlight" into something bigger. I'm telling you, this kid either has a book to sell or wants to become a right-wing celebrity so he can go into media work (radio, TV, or movies). I guarantee you that much. Because that story he cooked up doesn't even rise to the level of horseshit.
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Amaril Donating Member (447 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 02:58 PM
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70. Hey, it worked for Sarah Palin
The right doesn't care that there is absolutely NO factual basis to this kid's story -- they will only care that he is spewing every single "liberal bias" talking point they hold near and dear.

The kid is going to be a STAR!
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 10:47 AM
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44. Thus spaketh Limbaugh's catamite
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EstimatedProphet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 10:50 AM
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46. WTF
The first time I noticed the bias was actually in preschool, where the teacher was reading a book about the importance of mothers and the inferiority of fathers. I tried to tell the teacher that dads might be just as important. The teacher responded in a sing-song, "No, listen to me, I'm the teacher."

Yeah. Sure you did.
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Boxerfan Donating Member (710 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 10:55 AM
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47. Problem is they got the freaking press themselves to believe it..
The kid is a product of his Glenn Becky Dad or a setup or more likely both.


But what amazes me is when the rest of the media goes along with the meme. And then the majority of America is to dang tired tired or stupid on purpose to know the difference.

The 1st question you should ask someone to size up thier political IQ is ask one simple question...

"Where do you get your news?".They are happy to tell you most likely & odds are it is Fox. You then KNOW you are dealing with a brainwashed/damaged socially individual.

I got that Q from My Dr-It works every time if you wanna drag 'em out...
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RockaFowler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 12:20 PM
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50. Brainwashed
This kid never heard these "things" in school. I saw his interview on Newshounds and there is no way he even wrote this supposed essay. The state should do some investigating of his parents.
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NeedleCast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 12:25 PM
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51. This boy should win an award
For creative bullshit. 100 Bucks says almost none of that stuff happened.
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Mad_Dem_X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 12:26 PM
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52. Poor, inferior boy...
:nopity:

He started noticing a bias in *preschool*? Come on! :eyes:
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dembotoz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 01:13 PM
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53. hannibal lecter as a child
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MrScorpio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 01:21 PM
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55. If the kid wants red meat, feed it to him
Big ole portions, three times a day for the rest of his life... and lots of sweet stuff too, full of HFCS... and don't forget the pizza and fries.

Let the kid live a little... "Little" being the operative word.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 01:22 PM
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56. I dont believe a word this kid says.
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dembotoz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 01:25 PM
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57. star of new fox reality show 'Who is nastier than a 6th grader"
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 01:44 PM
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58. Aha! This is one of those Grover Norquist clones I have heard about...Kind of like the
Edited on Wed Jun-30-10 01:45 PM by BrklynLiberal
Boys of Brazil, except the DNA was taken from Norquist.

This kid is just the right age....they are all about that age now..I wonder if FAUX NOISE will interview ALL of them...
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 01:50 PM
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59. 6th grade and already a master fucking liar. what a little piece of shite.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 02:02 PM
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63. Some day Calvin Trillin will write a poem about Sam Besserman
http://www.thenation.com/article/richard-perle-whose-fault-he

Consider kids who bullied Richard Perle--
Those kids who said Perle threw just like a girl,
Those kids who poked poor Perle to show how soft
A mamma's boy could be, those kids who oft-
Times pushed poor Richard down and could be heard
Addressing him as Sissy, Wimp or Nerd.
Those kids have got a lot to answer for,
'Cause Richard Perle now wants to start a war.
The message his demeanor gets across:
He'll show those playground bullies who's the boss.
He still looks soft, but when he writes or talks
There is no tougher dude among the hawks.
And he's got planes and ships and tanks and guns--
All manned, of course, by other people's sons.
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booley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 02:24 PM
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66. I can't help but compare this kid to Will Phillips
The other kid who refused to say the pledge of Allegiance because he thought Gay people were being treated unequally under the law.

One kid took a stand that could have cost him for the sake of others, even though he himself was not affected.

The other kid is "WAHHHH, People don't like me! And here's unsubstantiated anecdotes to back me up!"

Not really on the same level, are they?
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 02:43 PM
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68. "reading a book about the importance of mothers and the inferiority of fathers?"
I'd like the young man in question to name the supposed book.

Honoring women does not = male hatred. These people have a serious complex.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 03:07 PM
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71. I've met a few students just like him.
Of course, I teach in a small, anti-intellectual rural area, and my classes contain tea-baggers.

Not all, but enough. I had an 8th grade girl go ballistic this year when we were discussing recognizing bias in media and print. A state standard I'm required to cover.

No names were mentioned, no personalities inferred. But she got up and shouted, "You aren't saying that Glenn Beck tells lies, are you? Because I listen to him and I know. He ALWAYS tells the TRUTH!"

I mildly replied that the topic was bias, not any one author, publisher, broadcaster, or radio spokesperson, and moved on. If I'd used Glenn Beck as an example, her parents would have been in the principal's office raising hell. Again. It was a regular occurrence.

They didn't want her reading any literature that included any character that wasn't an "American." I allowed too much discussion in the classroom. (That meant that too many students offered supposedly "liberal" viewpoints.) And so on.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 04:07 PM
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76. PRAISE!
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alp227 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 07:42 PM
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77. Not even some FREEPERS believe this!
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2542624/posts

The very first replies:

Very funny.

Its a shame that 11 year olds don’t think or talk that way.

But a nice fantasy.


Yeah, I’m not buying it. This wasn’t written by an 11 year old.


And someone pointed out the misplaced word "misandrist"

Incredibly good article packed with familiar themes. It’s like I went to all the same schools as him.

But sorry, no 11-year-olds know the word, “misandrist” —I’m a vocab freak and even I didn’t know it until 14 or so.


Others: some either disagreed or thought the story was true but the authorship not:

Quite: this is too good to be true.


Although I’m sure what happened to the kid happened, I agree that this was not written by an eleven year old.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 01:11 PM
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79. I think this kid is a lying fame-whore.
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