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denem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 01:13 PM Original message |
Thinking about an Android phone? Google can delete your apps at will, |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 01:15 PM Response to Original message |
1. Orwellian? Google is not the government. nt. |
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msongs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 01:18 PM Original message |
corporations are the real government now nt |
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FiveGoodMen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 01:18 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Yet. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 01:24 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. They are already there |
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appal_jack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 02:04 PM Response to Reply #5 |
25. I just finished Spook Country |
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RKP5637 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 01:24 PM Response to Reply #2 |
6. The US gov. will eventually just be a subsidiary of a US / Global Corp. IMO it's |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 01:21 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. To both posters above: |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 01:25 PM Response to Reply #3 |
7. You should do a tad of a research |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 01:28 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. Good lord, this is ridiculous. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 01:38 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. No, but what I am suggesting is that it is NOT just in phones |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 01:42 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. So, its reach is much larger than you assume I realize, but still only insignificant? |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 01:52 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. Well I will point at Santayana |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 01:58 PM Response to Reply #16 |
21. "Corporations have no power." |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 02:16 PM Response to Reply #21 |
32. No, you are the one who thinks they have far less |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 02:17 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. I have quite a bit of experience dealing with the difference between |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 02:21 PM Response to Reply #34 |
38. So you have been audited and so have I |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 02:28 PM Response to Reply #38 |
42. No, I haven't been audited. Such dealings are just a part of my career. |
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FiveGoodMen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 02:14 PM Response to Reply #13 |
29. "Unless ... a corporation's power reaches that of a government's, it cannot be called Orwellian" |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 02:15 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. Wittgenstein just rolled over in his grave. nt. |
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AnArmyVeteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 01:53 PM Response to Reply #8 |
17. Multinational corporations have more power than most governments |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 01:57 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. Do you know the difference between an IRS lien and a private lien? |
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AnArmyVeteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 05:17 PM Response to Reply #20 |
56. Yes, I know the difference, but I was talking about corporate power. |
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denem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 01:23 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. BlackWhite. If you don't understand doublespeak, |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 01:37 PM Response to Reply #4 |
10. Why? It's a corporation, not the government. |
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denem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 01:50 PM Response to Reply #10 |
14. 1984 is devoted to the Mechanism of Controls, not Government Itself |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 01:53 PM Response to Reply #14 |
18. And on the government side |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 02:00 PM Response to Reply #14 |
22. Read what I've posted upthread about that. I agree that the term can apply to a corporation |
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jp11 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 01:32 PM Response to Original message |
9. I wasn't in the market for a fancy pants phone but if I was it would have been an android, so much |
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Posteritatis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 01:41 PM Response to Original message |
12. Do *any* smartphone manufacturers not have that ability by now? |
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FionaMcG (18 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 01:51 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. so why is it such a big deal that they supposedly have the ability to |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 01:55 PM Response to Reply #15 |
19. Becuase they have the abilty to LOOK INTO YOUR SYSTEM |
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ProdigalJunkMail (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 02:03 PM Response to Reply #19 |
23. the fourth amendment protects you from the gov't |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 02:04 PM Response to Reply #19 |
24. Okay I can't let this one go despite realizing this is a lost cause. |
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appal_jack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 02:11 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. who charters Google? |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 02:15 PM Response to Reply #27 |
30. The 4th Amendment applies to all corporate entities by virtue of the 14th Amendment? |
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appal_jack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 02:23 PM Response to Reply #30 |
39. I'm giving you my own opinion, nothing more. |
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FiveGoodMen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 04:25 PM Response to Reply #39 |
52. "right now, very little of the Constitution is applied to the corporations" |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 02:18 PM Response to Reply #24 |
35. Who charters a corporation BASED in the US? |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 02:19 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. Back it up with case law then. nt. |
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Posteritatis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 02:11 PM Response to Reply #19 |
28. The Fourth Amendment objection's silly; the rent-vs-own one, however, is not |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 02:16 PM Response to Reply #28 |
33. That is a good point. This very well may be illegal. nt. |
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Posteritatis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 02:25 PM Response to Reply #33 |
41. Far from being illegal it's pretty much the default state these days |
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appal_jack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-02-10 01:09 PM Response to Reply #28 |
69. how is it 'silly'? |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 02:19 PM Response to Reply #19 |
37. Actually, they don't have that ability. |
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FionaMcG (18 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 02:43 PM Response to Reply #19 |
44. Well, so what? Would anyone actually keep sensitive information |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 03:42 PM Response to Reply #19 |
48. You provide a great |
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hobbit709 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 02:10 PM Response to Original message |
26. Simple solution |
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Jennicut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 02:24 PM Response to Reply #26 |
40. My 34 year old eyes don't need to look at a tiny screen. I am so cheap I own a tracphone. |
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hobbit709 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 02:29 PM Response to Reply #40 |
43. Same here. I've used Tracfone for 10 years. |
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Jennicut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 03:15 PM Response to Reply #43 |
47. LOL. |
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Control-Z (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 02:49 PM Response to Original message |
45. Amazon chose to erase 1984 of all things from the Kindle? |
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Posteritatis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 03:52 PM Response to Reply #45 |
50. It was a specific edition because of some licensing/permission issues. (nt) |
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Control-Z (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 05:09 PM Response to Reply #50 |
55. Oh. OK. |
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superduperfarleft (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 03:01 PM Response to Original message |
46. Much ado about nothing. |
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LLStarks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 03:43 PM Response to Original message |
49. I trust Google 100x more than I trust Apple. nt |
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dbonds (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 04:06 PM Response to Original message |
51. Sounds a little different when you include other parts of the story |
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denem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 05:20 PM Response to Reply #51 |
57. Not at all - it's a simple proof of concept. 1 Android OS features "Remote Application Removal" |
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dbonds (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 07:13 PM Response to Reply #57 |
62. There is not one word about a remote scan - you made that up. |
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denem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 07:34 PM Response to Reply #62 |
63. How can you implement a "Remote Removal Service" kill without confirmation |
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denem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 10:13 PM Response to Reply #63 |
65. ... Crickets ... |
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dbonds (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-01-10 08:40 AM Response to Reply #65 |
67. You didn't pay attention to my post or others posts. |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 05:01 PM Response to Original message |
53. Seems to me they need to trick you into doing somethings like deleting ahem "adult" streams |
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Rosco T. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 05:03 PM Response to Original message |
54. So can APPLE, so can MICROSOFT... I'm keeping my Nexus... |
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denem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 05:43 PM Response to Reply #54 |
60. Link? Hint - Nada. |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 05:21 PM Response to Original message |
58. Steve Jobs, is that you? |
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MiniMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 05:27 PM Response to Original message |
59. Do you pay for the apps they remove? |
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Gordan Shumway (162 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 06:31 PM Response to Reply #59 |
61. I'm new to the smartphone |
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KansasVoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 07:38 PM Response to Original message |
64. Apple is a bunch of controlling freaks. And arrogant as can be. I'll choose Google! |
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denem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-01-10 08:01 AM Response to Reply #64 |
66. Google makes its money collecting information about you and selling targeted ads. |
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dbonds (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-01-10 08:41 AM Response to Reply #66 |
68. I trust Google over Apple... |
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