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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-10 10:12 AM Original message |
Why join a political party if you are unwilling to compromise? |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-10 10:14 AM Response to Original message |
1. The idea of 'party' should not take precedence over the common good. |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-10 10:16 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. >Implying that the people vote Democratic despite the common good. |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-10 10:22 AM Response to Reply #3 |
11. I've seen plenty of people put party politics before the common good... |
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TreasonousBastard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-10 10:38 AM Response to Reply #1 |
24. But, who decides what the "common good" is? I don't believe in... |
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boston bean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-10 10:16 AM Response to Original message |
2. What minority opinion would say, someone like me, hold that you don't? |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-10 10:18 AM Response to Reply #2 |
5. Why do pro-corporate donors spend so much to defeat Democrats? n/t |
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Raineyb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-10 10:59 AM Response to Reply #5 |
35. They also spend a lot of money on Democrats. It's called hedging your bets. n/t |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-10 10:17 AM Response to Original message |
4. So, don't contribute if you aren't willing to capitulate? |
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KonaKane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-10 03:27 PM Response to Reply #4 |
63. Since when does compromise equal capitulate? |
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Phoebe Loosinhouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-10 10:19 AM Response to Original message |
6. But what about when your political party just ignores the opinions of the MAJORITY |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-10 10:28 AM Response to Reply #6 |
19. Call me Captain obvious |
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TreasonousBastard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-10 10:45 AM Response to Reply #6 |
29. And you blame the party for that? Politics is always a disgusting... |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-10 10:19 AM Response to Original message |
7. The Party is supposed to move with the base. Not the other way around. |
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notesdev (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-10 10:20 AM Response to Original message |
8. Because a party is supposed to stand for something |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-10 10:20 AM Response to Reply #8 |
9. >Implying that the party doesn't stand for anything. |
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msongs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-10 10:23 AM Response to Reply #9 |
12. you are inferring. nt |
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notesdev (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-10 10:24 AM Response to Reply #9 |
13. Well, it stands for Wall Street, we know that much |
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MedicalAdmin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-10 10:37 AM Response to Reply #9 |
22. That's not implying anything. |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-10 10:37 AM Response to Reply #9 |
23. Are you just posting tombstone bait? |
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Ignis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-10 11:30 AM Response to Reply #23 |
41. Same as it ever was. |
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zanana1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 05:11 AM Response to Reply #23 |
70. That occured to me, too. He won;'t last long. nt |
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zanana1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-10 10:26 AM Response to Reply #8 |
15. Take the realistic approach... |
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notesdev (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-10 10:38 AM Response to Reply #15 |
25. If one makes those assumptions |
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zanana1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-10 10:47 AM Response to Reply #25 |
30. So you'll vote for the other party the next time? |
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notesdev (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-10 11:01 AM Response to Reply #30 |
36. Please stop throwing strawmen at me |
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zanana1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-10 12:19 PM Response to Reply #36 |
43. I'll give you an example of how the Obama Admin. has improved my life... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-10 12:29 PM Response to Reply #43 |
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zanana1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 04:45 AM Response to Reply #45 |
69. You definitely have an anger problem. |
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zanana1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 05:24 AM Response to Reply #45 |
71. I'll tell you what; I'll trade places with you, OK? |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-10 10:21 AM Response to Original message |
10. So when do the centrists start compromising? Or I should say, start compromising with the Left? |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-10 10:26 AM Response to Reply #10 |
14. Maybe you can name the Republican or independant that I endorsed over a Democrat ever. |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-10 10:38 AM Response to Reply #14 |
26. telling people to vote for Lamont after he won the primary was your big compromise? |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-10 10:55 AM Response to Reply #26 |
31. Just because I haven't had to compromise with this one candidate... |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-10 11:09 AM Response to Reply #31 |
38. It's not a given that compromise will be good or bad until after the fact. |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-10 11:23 AM Response to Reply #38 |
40. Republicans have to compromise all the time. |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-10 11:52 AM Response to Reply #40 |
42. Do you feel that Bush, Cheney, McCain and Palin were the RW's compromise candidates? |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-10 12:42 PM Response to Reply #42 |
47. "The" compromise candidates? |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-10 01:08 PM Response to Reply #47 |
56. "There are different degrees of compromise." |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-10 12:45 PM Response to Reply #42 |
48. P.S. Do you really think I wouldn't notice that you omitted John McCain from your list? |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-10 12:45 PM Response to Reply #42 |
49. P.S. Do you really think I wouldn't notice that you omitted John McCain from your list? |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-10 01:05 PM Response to Reply #49 |
52. Um...this is my list, quoted verbatim from above...... |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-10 01:08 PM Response to Reply #52 |
54. I'm on crack rock today, which is why I wrote the original post. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 06:08 AM Response to Reply #40 |
76. but not about money & ruling class power. which is where the action is. |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-10 10:27 AM Response to Reply #10 |
18. P.S. As long as Kucinich has a better chance of winning than his primary opponents... |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-10 12:31 PM Response to Reply #18 |
46. Yup. And he keeps winning. |
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joeybee12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-10 10:27 AM Response to Original message |
16. Why join a political party that thinks compromise is ignoring you? n/t |
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Ozymanithrax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-10 10:27 AM Response to Original message |
17. We are a two party, winner take all nation. That is reality... |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-10 10:59 AM Response to Reply #17 |
34. Big or small, steps in the wrong direction are counter-productive |
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Ozymanithrax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-10 01:33 PM Response to Reply #34 |
60. It is a winner take all, two party system because it is legislated to be. |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-10 08:39 PM Response to Reply #60 |
68. Take the system apart at the state level then. Two parties means an instant failure |
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asdjrocky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-10 10:29 AM Response to Original message |
20. There is a huge difference between compromising- |
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dana_b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-10 01:13 PM Response to Reply #20 |
59. bravo! |
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MedicalAdmin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-10 10:33 AM Response to Original message |
21. When I joined the Whiggs I knew I would have to compromise on some things... |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-10 10:41 AM Response to Reply #21 |
28. You win the thread. |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-10 10:39 AM Response to Original message |
27. Politics is the art of compromise, but you never give up arguing your own principles |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-10 11:01 AM Response to Reply #27 |
37. I agree with your post, but people often argue their principles in a way... |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-10 01:12 PM Response to Reply #27 |
58. P.S. Thank you for your thoughtful and respectful comments. |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-10 03:23 PM Response to Reply #58 |
62. When people are disappointed they tend to feel betrayed and respond belligerently. |
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meow mix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-10 10:57 AM Response to Original message |
32. i must have missed the compromising.. all i see is conservative agenda continuing |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-10 10:59 AM Response to Original message |
33. Compromise is a two party act. Not a one sided act. |
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Enrique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-10 11:21 AM Response to Original message |
39. compromise is ok, betrayal is not ok n/t |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-10 12:24 PM Response to Original message |
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stranger81 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-10 01:01 PM Response to Original message |
50. Why join a political party if you don't have any principles you're willing to stand on? |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-10 01:05 PM Response to Reply #50 |
51. >Implying that I have no principles. |
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stranger81 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-10 01:07 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. You said that, not me. |
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jonnyblitz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-10 01:08 PM Response to Reply #51 |
55. party loyalists usually don't. it's all about their team winning |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-10 01:09 PM Response to Reply #55 |
57. Why didn't I switch to Republican during the 2001-2005 period when they seemed invincible? n/t |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 05:30 AM Response to Reply #57 |
73. Same reason why Dallas Cowboys fans don't become Redskins fans |
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NYC_SKP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-10 01:46 PM Response to Original message |
61. Crap, LoZo. Now you've done it. |
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KonaKane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-10 03:30 PM Response to Reply #61 |
64. Too many here have opted for "my way or the highway" especially on their pet issue. |
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JoePhilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-10 03:38 PM Response to Reply #64 |
65. Agree completely. |
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mdmc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-10 03:50 PM Response to Original message |
66. the only game in town |
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Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-10 04:09 PM Response to Original message |
67. Compromise is smart. Wise. But not when one side gives and the other side takes |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 05:27 AM Response to Original message |
72. Huh? Why eat raspberries if you like Beethoven? |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 11:21 AM Response to Reply #72 |
77. Nobody wants to compromise their beliefs. |
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JHB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 05:45 AM Response to Original message |
74. That's a valid question, for yourself, that is. |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 11:29 AM Response to Reply #74 |
78. There will always be portions of the party who will feel demoralized, if they let themselves be. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 06:05 AM Response to Original message |
75. "it was your responsiblity to convince the rest of the part to take your side" |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 11:43 AM Response to Reply #75 |
80. Principled politician = oxymoron. |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 11:40 AM Response to Original message |
79. Compromise on what? Basic principles or trivia? |
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