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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 09:20 PM
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Machos and wimps, stellar players or a bad case of the imaginaries

http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/00current.htm


This unseen matter is said to be sustaining all galaxies, preventing them from flying apart. Over the years, research groups have been trying to reconcile the lack of mass in the Universe, particularly in galaxy clusters, with their recessional velocity. There is not enough gravity in the visible stars and gas clouds to account for that velocity, as well as the consolidation of individual galaxies and clusters.

If dark matter exists, according to physicists, then it ought to be expressed through a particle. After all, gravity is based on mass attraction, so if dark matter is holding the stars in their galactic orbits, and pulling those galaxies into clusters, there must be an invisible particle (or particles) responsible for the effect.

If not particles, then perhaps cold, non-radiating matter—burned-out stars, or large planets—are exerting their influences on galactic structure. Those "normal" but invisible objects were called MAssive Compact Halo Objects (MACHOs). Telescopes were scheduled to look for stellar occultations caused by MACHOs, but after years of investigation there have been no results. MACHO scientists have recently thrown in the towel, finally acknowledging that MACHOs are not dark matter candidates.
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pscot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 09:45 PM
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1. Could it be that there's something else out there?
Something large and distant that we just can't see, or even imagine? I know science doesn't like that kind of question, but to a layman, the favored speculations about matter, gravity and the nature of the universe seem rather vague.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 10:23 AM
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4. The photo below is a shot of Hubbles galaxy sequence thingy...
Edited on Sat Jul-10-10 10:24 AM by HysteryDiagnosis


The following one is a plasma sim, top pic is obviously a "real" galaxy.



Now they say that just because something looks similar, it don't mean nuthin'.

Here is a page from Los Alamos Labs, ya know, them dumb ones over in the SW.

http://public.lanl.gov/alp/plasma/AtHomeIn.html
At home in the universe

Introducing electromagnetic fields and plasma into the cosmological model has implications beyond the realms of pure science, even impacting our sense of place in the universe.

If invisible electric streams extend across great reaches of what we have though of as empty space, then not only is the space not empty, but is has a moving energy, in effect linking some "here" to some "there." And the streams move not in isolation but in relation to other cosmic streams.

With plasma processes being so remarkably similar from the microscopic to the mesoscopic, our minds, once trained to recognize local phenomena, can readily project similar phenomena to the greater scale. For example, if Earth and the Sun are both surrounded by teardrop-shaped plasma sheaths, then we might reasonably expect someday to discover a similar sheath enclosing our galaxy.

Finally, the great magnetic fields are a source of wonder and deep questions. If the streaming plasma is the source of magnetic fields manifest at smaller levels, then what is the source of the magnetic fields that are guiding the plasma flows at the highest levels yet detected?

With the the research tools and new telescopes available as we enter the twenty-first century, and the plasma model a serious contender in the world of cosmology, we can look forward to finding ourselves ever more at home in the universe.




Evolution of a galaxy at 20 megayears (radio galaxy), 100 megayears (quasar), 120 megayears (Peculiar or Seyfert Galaxy) and 500 megayears (early spiral).

Note that while the energy to produce a galaxy is delivered via a current-conducting plasma filament that may stretch for hundreds or thousands of gigaparsecs, the actual size of the two pinch regions forming the galaxy are each 35 kiloparsecs in diameter, 10 kiloparsecs thick, spaced 80 kiloparsecs apart. That is, the initial plasma shapes undergoing an interaction are disks.



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Peregrine Donating Member (712 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 11:23 PM
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2. MACHOs were discovered in 1998 by US/Australia research team
using gravity lensing to find them. It is estimated that the halo around the galaxy accounts for 50% of the galaxy's mass. So you electric boogaloo is into lying as well. Also they didn't "throw in the towel", their funding ended. Other teams have taken up the work.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 08:29 AM
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3. Oh, didn't know my bad.
“ Science has become just like Modern Art. The contemporary artist and the contemporary physicist look at the world in much the same way. The past means nothing. They gravitate to novelty as the ultimate distinction, in and of itself. They do this because novelty is the surest guarantee of recognition.”

Miles Mathis

http://www.holoscience.com/news.php?article=zc22ejwj

Physorg.com confidently headlined: "A Matter of Fact: NASA Finds Direct Proof of Dark Matter." This echoes the remark by Doug Clowe of the University of Arizona at Tucson, and leader of the study: "These results are direct proof that dark matter exists."

"Direct " means “having no intervening conditions or agencies” — implying that dark matter has been observed. But it hasn't. The pretty image above gives the impression that dark matter radiates blue light. It doesn't. The mass of dark matter that astronomers "find" is fabricated from assumptions and calculations. The telescope images have had an artefact superimposed—a blue "lensing map" that paints in what NASA scientists believe should be there. They’ve done this before: They painted hot lava fountains onto images of Io where the camera pixels were inexplicably overexposed by intense light. Digitally superimposing some imagined thing or mathematical virtual reality over an image is an artistic activity. It isn't science. Positing unobserved matter to account for physical phenomena is tantamount to a belief in fairies. If a theorist is unable to discover real objects, which cause the observed effects, it is unscientific—indeed, it is fraudulent science—to invent unreal objects and present them as a "factual" discovery of the cause of those effects.

"Criticism and dissent are the indispensable antidote to major delusions."
– Alan Barth, Professor of Political Science, University Of California, Berkeley.
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pscot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 12:50 PM
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9. Halton Arp has been added
to my book list. Thornhill's article spoke directly to what's been bothering me about our cosmology. Thanks for the thoughtful response.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 12:57 PM
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11. If I had a buddy list you would be on it make sure you go to
Amazon and well hell here is the link:

And yes Pron, that's 600 with a "six"

http://www.amazon.com/Virtue-Heresy-Confessions-Dissident-Astronomer/dp/1419695568/ref=pd_sim_b_6


There is a crisis in modern science that few theorists are willing to confront. In The Virtue of Heresy: Confessions of a Dissident Astronomer, renowned physicist and astronomer Hilton Ratcliffe, founding member of the Alternative Cosmology Group and co-discoverer of the CNO nuclear fusion cycle on the Sun’s surface, delivers to science aficionados his straightforward and highly compelling explanation of, and challenge to, many widely-held scientific beliefs that fall apart under scrutiny. Ratcliffe not only points out the fallacy of commonly held beliefs often promoted by the global scientific community, but, through a close (and sometimes humorous) examination of theoretical physics, presents a convincing argument for alternative theory. The heresy of which he writes—that is, our unwillingness to accept at face value all that is spooned to us by ‘the experts’—is presented not as a liability, but as a virtue essential to the progress of scientific thought.
About the Author
South African-born Hilton Ratcliffe is a founding member of the highly scientific 600-member Alternative Cosmology Group, as well as several international astronomical societies. Co-discoverer of the CNO nuclear fusion cycle on the Sun’s surface, he is a Fellow of the Institute of Physics in the UK and an eminent spokesman for the global scientific community.
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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 11:28 AM
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5. Silly scientists.
Everyone knows the universe rests on the back of a giant, electric turtle.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 11:31 AM
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6. You see, even Miles gets it... as does Los Alamos labs, link in
sig.
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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 11:47 AM
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7. I didn't think a sarcasm tag was needed.
My bad.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 11:48 AM
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8. You bad bad man.... point taken and ignored. n/t
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pscot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 12:53 PM
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10. The great star turtle is not electric
and its name is A'Tuin.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 12:58 PM
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12. Ooooh... do I detect traces of Dune here? I really never gave the
movies or books much attention but was told they were worth the read/view.
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pscot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 03:20 PM
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13. Sir Terry Pratchett
Discworld is essential reading. Or Vernor Vinge if the Singularity appeals to you.
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