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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 11:12 PM
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Does BP Own the Gulf of Mexico?
The question in the title of this post is of course facetious and sarcastic. But as time goes on and more information accumulates, it appears to me that most independent and intelligent observers of what has transpired in the Gulf of Mexico – since the catastrophic accident that claimed 11 human lives and uncounted numbers of animal lives, resulted in by far the biggest oil spill in U.S. history (and still counting), destroyed the Gulf fishing industry, and continues to cause disastrous and as yet undefined damage to the gulf of Mexico – would have to come to the conclusion that yes, BP does own the Gulf of Mexico.

That is a terrible conclusion to come to because – excuse my ideological sentiments – our planet was not made for the fun and profit of the few at the expense of the rest of humanity, not to mention its own destruction along with untold numbers of its creatures. But though they have no moral right to own it, their actions over the past few months make it appear as if they do own it, and our government doesn’t seem to be doing much to counter that impression. So the American people should consider some powerful reasons why BP shouldn’t be trusted in their current role, and they ought to be asking some very pointed questions of our government about BP’s continued role in this matter:


NUMEROUS REASONS WHY BP SHOULDN’T BE TRUSTED

BP has a long history of dishonesty and putting profits above people and the security of our environment:


Past behavior

A recent history of numerous preventable disasters
A ProPublica report describes BP's involvement in some of the biggest oil and gas disasters in recent years due to their negligence, including: an explosion at BP's Texas oil refinery that killed 15 workers and injured 170; and, 267,000 gallons of oil spread onto the Alaskan tundra due to a hole in the company's pipeline, after BP ignored a warning.

Fighting off safety regulations
From an article titled “Big Oil Fought Off New Safety Rules Before Rig Explosion”:

BP and TransOcean have aggressively opposed new safety regulations proposed last year by a federal agency that oversees offshore drilling – which were prompted by a study that found many accidents in the industry.

There were 41 deaths and 302 injuries out of 1,443 incidents from 2001 to 2007, according to the study conducted by the Minerals and Management Service of the Interior Department. In addition, the agency issued 150 reports over incidents of non-compliant production and drilling operations and determined there was "no discernible improvement by industry over the past 7 years."

As a result, the agency proposed taking a more proactive stance…The industry has launched a coordinated campaign to attack those regulations, with over 100 letters objecting to the regulations.

Long record of fines for irresponsible behavior
BP’s long record of fines shows that they would rather pay fines for the damage they cause than take steps to prevent the damage. They have paid $485 million in fines in the U.S. alone in the past 5 years, including: $87.43 million to the Occupational Safety and Health Administration in 2009 – the largest fine in OSHA's history – for the above noted Texas refinery explosion; $3 million to OSHA for 42 safety violations at an Ohio refinery; and $20 million to the Department of Justice for a spill in the Alaska Prudhoe Bay.

Benefitting from a regime of terror
In order to secure and protect a 450 mile pipeline in Colombia, a thousand farmers and their families were pushed off their farms and forced to live lives of destitution. As a result of accusations to that effect, in 2006 BP was pressured into making a multimillion pound payout to the Colombian farmers.

Overemphasizing their devotion to green technology
Despite their green sunflower logo and their rebranding themselves as “beyond petroleum”, BP’s investment in green technology has been minimal compared to its continued devotion to oil. For example:

In the first quarter of 2010, they made $73 billion in revenue, $72.3 billion… from the exploration, production, refining and marketing of oil and natural gas. Only $700 million (less than 1% of the total) came from solar and wind energy.


Behavior relating to the current crisis

They lied about the potential for the current crisis
BP filed a 52 page plan with Minerals Management Service regarding their Deep Horizon well, filled with information that proved to be false:

Before BP had authorization to drill for oil they filed their plan with the Minerals Management Service. The plan explained that the Deepwater Horizon well would have a minimal environmental impact. The report expressed that it was very unlikely and virtually impossible that an accident would occur from activities that the Deepwater Horizon Well would perform. In addition the report stated that if something were to happen that due to their response capabilities, no significant impacts would be expected. The report, as everyone now knows, was extremely inaccurate.

Showing concern for their victims while trying to avoid liability
While claiming that they planned to compensate the victims of their negligence, BP proceeded to offer them settlements of a mere $5,000 in return for signing away their right to sue. They have since given up this idea after they were severely criticized for it.

BP’s secret and phony public relations campaign
BP has spent at least $70 million on a phony PR campaign to restore its sinking public image. The ads run something like this:

“The beaches are clean! The seafood is fresh! And the national parks are open!” gushes a pleasant female voice, as the television commercial displays a sunbather, a trawler and huge pile of yumm… “Government agencies and local municipalities are working around the clock to protect the region’s economy and ecology. And we’ll continue working as long as it takes…,” the announcer continues…

But in order to give the message credibility, BP has had to erase their fingerprints from the ads. They pay others to provide the message because they recognize that few people would put much stock in it if they knew that it was written and paid for by BP.


QUESTIONS THAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE SHOULD BE ASKING

There are many more reasons for not trusting BP than those discussed above. Some of the most important of these reasons are part and parcel to a discussion of the questions we should be asking our government:


What right does BP have to deny any American access to information regarding the current crisis?

BP has repeatedly denied reporters access to information that could shed light on the current catastrophe, often going to the extent of refusing to let scenes be photographed. At least once they forcefully detained a reporter who had taken photographs of the carnage. Both BP and U.S. government officials have claimed that “instances of denying news media access have been anomalies”. But as Jeremy Peters made clear in a New York Times article, the efforts to deny access appear to be pervasive and systematic and even to apply to scientists and the requests of U.S. Senators:

Anomalies or not, reporters and photographers continue to be blocked from covering aspects of the spill.

Last week, Senator Bill Nelson, Democrat of Florida, tried to bring a small group of journalists with him on a trip he was taking through the gulf on a Coast Guard vessel. Mr. Nelson’s office said the Coast Guard agreed to accommodate the reporters and camera operators. But at about 10 p.m. on the evening before the trip, someone from the Department of Homeland Security’s legislative affairs office called the senator’s office to tell them that no journalists would be allowed.

“They said it was the Department of Homeland Security’s response-wide policy not to allow elected officials and media on the same ‘federal asset,’ ” said Bryan Gulley, a spokesman for the senator. “No further elaboration” was given, Mr. Gulley added…”

Scientists, too, have complained about the trickle of information that has emerged from BP and government sources. Three weeks passed, for instance, from the time the Deepwater Horizon oil rig exploded on April 20 and the first images of oil gushing from an underwater pipe were released by BP.

Perhaps it’s understandable that BP would want to avoid adverse publicity even to the extent of lying about what happened. But what conceivable right do they have to deny others access to information and even use force to do so? And under what exception to our freedom of the press clause of our First Amendment does our government undertake to assist BP in their efforts to deny access to news that is intimately related to the health of our planet?


Why is BP allowed to continue to use toxic dispersants?

Initially the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) claimed that it had no authority to tell BP what dispersants it could use in its efforts to clean up the oil spill. Then on May 20th they reversed course, telling BP that it had three days to stop using a dispersant that EPA data suggested was unnecessarily toxic. The EPA has also noted that “the long term effects on aquatic life are unknown”.

In fact, many or most scientists believe that dispersants shouldn’t be used at all, since the dispersants may be just as or more toxic to marine life as the oil itself. It seems to many that BP’s use of dispersants is more for public relations purposes – they prevent visible slicks of oil from washing up on shore – than for limiting the damage to marine life. Regarding a statement by Samantha Joye, professor of marine sciences at the University of Georgia:

The hazardous effects of the plume are two-fold. Joye said the oil itself can prove toxic to fish swimming in the sea, while vast amounts of oxygen are also being sucked from the water by microbes that eat oil. Dispersants used to fight the oil are also food for the microbes, speeding up the oxygen depletion.

And According to Richard Charter, a foremost expert on marine biology and oil spills:

There is a chemical toxicity to the dispersant compound that in many ways is worse than oil. It’s a trade-off of trying to minimize the damage coming to shore, but in so doing you may be more seriously damaging the ecosystem offshore.

And equally disconcerting is the fact that “The exact makeup of the dispersants is kept secret under competitive trade laws”.

In response to EPA’s order, BP said “NO” to EPA on switching dispersants. And indeed BP did flout EPA’s order:

Officials and scientists from the E.P.A. and the oil company met Sunday night and were apparently unable to reach a compromise before the deadline passed… “We are continuing to use Corexit while we look at other alternatives,” Mark Salt, a spokesman for the oil company, said by telephone from Texas on Monday.

So why haven’t we heard that our government is taking action against BP for defying an EPA order that involves an apparent effort by the EPA to prevent BP from further poisoning our public waters? Does our federal government believe that it has no authority to regulate the pollution of our environment by private corporations, even in the face of a major crisis, as suggested by Congressman Barton when he apologized to BP? What right does BP have to keep the makeup of chemicals that they spew into our oceans secret?


What right does BP have to deny worker protection in efforts to clean up the damage they did?

In apparent efforts to improve their image at the expense of their workers, BP has disallowed cleanup workers from using protective equipment to prevent toxic exposures. From an article titled “Human rights group: BP discouraging crews from using respirators”:

RFK Center President Kerry Kennedy traveled to the Gulf Coast to talk to cleanup workers and found that BP was trying to repress the use of safety equipment. "In all three states that I've visited, fishermen said when they went out to work on the cleanup, that if they tried to bring respirators they were told it was unnecessary equipment and would only spread hysteria," Kennedy told Fox News Friday. "When I went out with eleven people, we had respirators on and within half an hour, all of our eyes were burning and our throats were closing and we all had headaches," she explained.

Even for those who are ideologically opposed to worker safety laws, it should be kept in mind that BP’s efforts to clean up the damage they wrought is their responsibility, not something they are merely undertaking voluntarily because of their concern for all those who continue to suffer from their actions. As such, they have the responsibility of putting the safety of their workers ahead of their public relations concerns. And our government has the responsibility of mandating adequate efforts to protect worker safety in the process. So what has our government done about this responsibility?


What right does BP have to take full charge of the effort to stop the oil flow?

Stopping the oil flow should be the number one priority in resolving this crisis. Though BP has estimated that only 5,000 barrels of oil per day are gushing into the Gulf, independent scientists have estimated much higher rates, on the order of 5 to 16 times the BP/U.S. government estimates. If those estimates are correct, that means that about 2,000 barrels of oil per hour have continued to gush into the Gulf for nearly three months by now. Nobody knows how much additional irreparable damage to the Gulf and all the life that depends upon it occurs with every day that the gush goes unplugged.

While BP certainly has a responsibility to assist in the effort to plug the oil gush that they created, being in charge of it is an entirely different matter. It has repeatedly been pointed out that BP being in charge of this effort represents a serious conflict of interest, since BP may (and probably does) have a number of reasons for wanting the gush to continue until they complete and put into operation their relief well.

Indeed, there are many who believe that BP’s many efforts to date to plug the gush have been misconceived at best and criminal at worst. Some have suggested better methods:

There is a way to seal the wellhead with known Marine Pile Driving Technology. By lowering a larger pipe over the preventer and wellhead they can be sealed to the ocean floor.

I defy any “expert” in Heavy Marine Construction to explain to me why this will not work. It will take 83 sections of welded 60’ pipe and 80 valves to get to 5,000 feet in depth and as the pipe is hammered into the sea floor it will seal the preventer, wellhead and the end of the open riser and the oil will be contained permanently inside the pipe. The pipe and wellhead can then be permanently sealed from the surface and the pipe can be cut off far below the water surface. This can be accomplished in a few days.

I do not have the slightest technical expertise with which to evaluate proposals such as this. But why has the corporation that caused the damage and apparently stands to benefit from its numerous obstructionist policies been allowed, despite repeated failures, to be in charge of this effort? I half-heartedly defended the Obama administration on this score nearly two months ago, on the basis that maybe they were in fact seriously consulting with independent scientists on this matter. But that possibility becomes more and more difficult to believe as each of BP’s efforts to plug the gush results in failure, and as they continue to deny the American public, as well as concerned scientists, access to information on the crisis – and yet we hear of little or no meaningful input from independent scientists. So why doesn’t our government, as demanded by Lawrence Baker, create a:

STOP THE OIL FLOW TASK FORCE today that is independent of BP command to permanently stop the flow of oil tomorrow. This independent task force of FBI, Corps of Army Engineers, scientist and private marine construction contractors would begin taking positive action to permanently stop the oil flow.


PUTTING THIS IN PERSPECTIVE

In a sane world, the American people would be asking these questions and demanding answers. Yet, like the frog who gets gradually boiled in water, the American public seems to have become so accustomed to corporate rule in their country that questions like these rarely get asked. Barry Lynn, in his new book, “Cornered – The New Monopoly Capitalism and the Economics of Destruction”, asks the question in Chapter 1, “How did such a well-educated and vigilant people allow the few among us to re-impose so many monopolies upon us?” His answer:

The simplest answer is that beginning in the late 1970s… the interests that favor monopoly in the United States managed not merely to greatly solidify control over the Republican Party but also, for the first time since Grover Cleveland sat in the White House in the late 19th century, to take control of the Democratic Party…

When Reagan’s “regulators” made clear that they no longer intended to enforce our antimonopoly laws, the man who took the lead in opposing the putsch was Democratic senator Howard Metzenbaum of Ohio….

“Vigorous antitrust enforcement is an essential underpinning to the free enterprise private economy,” Metzenbaum wrote… Monopolists would destroy small businesses and repress U.S. workers. They would retard and pervert innovation, undermine the security of the nation, and corrupt the political system…

Lynn goes on to describe how matters became even worse under Clinton. He continues:

Perhaps most disturbing was their decision, after promising to do the opposite, to allow the consolidation of U.S. media companies that had begun under Reagan to continue in a process that cut the number of big firms from more than fifty to six…

He concludes:

The simplest and most obvious reason that we the American people did not notice the political revolution that is monopolization – which resulted in such a vast shift of power away from us and into the hands of a few – is that for a full generation there has been no public debate on the issue. And there has been no public debate because both of our major parties are now under the control of the same monopolist powers.*

And of course those monopolist powers include our major news media. A most depressing thought… and yet, it’s hard to avoid the conclusion that Lynn is largely correct. No wonder that an oil company is able to behave, without consequences, as if it owns our planet.



* This is from the first chapter of Lynn’s book. The book jacket promises “With an entirely fresh set of solutions… empowering the individual citizen, Cornered is both a wake-up call and a call to arms for anyone who believes in democracy, competition, and liberty for all”.
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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 11:17 PM
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1. K&R
Cornered sounds like a book I have got to read. Thanks for posting!
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 11:51 PM
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2. K&R You break it, you own it BP.
Excellent compilation.

I think part of the issue with the anti-trust laws is that those and many national laws don't fit
the globalized economic environment and need some tweaking to accomodate those changes. And the process is very slow and can become a serious hinderance relative to business. Globalization is also
one reason so many companies are merging...to grow into their bigger suits and expanded playing field.
But many multinationals are even fighting the formation of international bodies necessary to
oversee new global issues with broad laws. In other words, it seems to me that corporations want to BE the law and are taking full advantage of the chaos (much created by them) while the world is in the midst of vast changes to global governance. They are filling the current vacuum of power at the global level like gun slingers did before the Wild West was tamed. And current international laws & treaties are being broken left and right with absolutely no legal consequence to the perpetrator, and no legal body with the teeth and strength to uphold them. They are also infiltrating national governments as we saw when Big Energy and their minions took over our White House, Congress and Judicial branches. It was a coup, NOT by another political party but by huge international conglomerates who want to steer the ship through this change toward globalization.
How much more obvious does it have to get?
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EmeraldCityGrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 01:13 AM
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3. And the regions that don't comply,
that's were you see the US Military stepping in. Those nations not willing to comply are Russia, Iran and Venezuela for the most part.
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 01:38 PM
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14. and subgroups within them. We call them 'terrorists'...n/t
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 02:01 AM
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4. Highly recommended and bookmarked, and thank you.

:kick:
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puebloknot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 03:58 AM
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5. K&R Another important piece, with a recommendation for a good ...
... and instructive book!

Thanks!
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 01:31 PM
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13. Thank you -- I've just started to read "Cornered"
I'm looking forward to getting into it.
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Kringle Donating Member (411 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 05:32 AM
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6. Obama --> AWOL . nt
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 10:01 AM
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9. + millions!! 87 days of Toxic soup..while someone plays golf!
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pokercat999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 05:32 AM
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7. A quick answer to your question. No, BUT
they own the politicians including the POTUS. So in fact, they own it all, the all being whatever they desire.

Think about this, Obama will have to raise $100M for his re-election. If you think that kind of money comes from "the people" you are just plain stupid or not paying attention.

Watch how much BP and the rest of the oil industry spend to buy Obama and Congress, they ARE cheap, but not inexpensive.
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blublu Donating Member (65 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 10:51 AM
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11. agree
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 07:51 AM
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8. Expropriate without compensation.

k&r

Kill Capitalism
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GeorgeGist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 10:24 AM
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10. As far as I can see ...
Nature still owns the Gulf of Mexico.
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jimlup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 12:04 PM
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12. Regret that I have but one rec to give to your post
Kudos!
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 01:47 PM
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15. BP owns something even better -- the Government of the United States
When citizens of the United States aren't ALLOWED to know what's going on in their own country means this isn't the United States anymore. A couple people, at least, at CounterPunch haven't held back:

Is Obama BP's Poodle?

A Disaster Foretold - BP, Obama and the Gulf

Most importantly: + 1,000,000,000,000 for what you wrote, Time for change. Outstanding work, your OP is filled with invaluable information for all who care for the future of our nation and planet.



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tbyg52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 02:49 PM
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16. >>Is Obama BP's Poodle?
Try *all* corporations' poodle. As are most of "our" representatives.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 06:07 PM
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23. I'm afraid that's right, Octafish
This paragraph from your article says it all:

In a sane world, BP’s executives would be facing severe criminal charges, and the billions of profits they’ve earned in the last year would be confiscated to pay for the cleanup. BP’s infrastructure would be taken under the control of the U.S. government, which could ensure that the job was done correctly...
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 07:50 PM
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27. But, but then WHO wuld deliver all that petrol to the MIC???
:shrug:
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 10:19 PM
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35. F*** the MIC
:hi:
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spotbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 08:39 PM
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30. We've been
joking that in China the BP execs would be dead already.

Here they should be indicted, not invited to the WH.
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AnArmyVeteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 09:41 PM
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34. We need to change the laws so we can go after corporate executives.
Corporate executives are virtually immune to prosecution, but they are paid millions. If anyone at the top of a company is making that much money they need to be responsible for EVERYTHING that happens in their companies. And that means that ALL their assets and bank accounts should be subject to seizure. And they should be thrown in jail. Under current law it's almost impossible to indict a leader of a company. Hell, they have limited liability corporations just to insulate corporate leaders from personal liability. Why? Why are those legal? No working person can get a job with a company and have 'limited liability'. If we screwed up we would be fired and possibly jailed, but not the leaders of the company. Of course, we know why. Corporate leaders own our government. They have lobbyists and officeholders who write laws to ensure they are protected. I'm tired of having a government with so many corporate whores in it.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 02:58 PM
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17. Apparently they think so and they seem to think they
own the states of Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama too. I don't think even the USA could make the claim stick that they own everything that is 200 miles from shore if an international consortium of developed nations were to challenge them on it. I think it's time for the world powers to start playing hardball with us and the Brits for our arrogance in thinking we own everything on the planet for our personal exploitation and use.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 09:17 PM
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32. and please don't forget Florida and all of the Gulf states, our beaches our water and our air! eom
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 03:14 PM
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18. Of course they do, silly. Corporations are people, too, and ubermeschen to boot
They stride the known world like a colossus.

We untermeschen, neither rich nor corporate, serve our Superiors.

If an ubermeschen like BP needs to soil it's Gulf, then who are we untermenschen to question it?
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AsahinaKimi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 03:17 PM
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19. apparently BP thinks
Edited on Sat Jul-10-10 03:24 PM by AsahinaKimi
It not only owns the Gulf Of Mexico, but owns the US government, a couple of states, their beaches, The Coast Guard, and any where else they place an a oil rig. Smug and Arrogant Bastards always think they own the world.


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Mr_Jefferson_24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 03:32 PM
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20. K&R.
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 03:37 PM
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21. K & R
:kick:
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 03:58 PM
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22. Not yet...but soon....soon...
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KakistocracyHater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 06:28 PM
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24. we know we COULD use the Patriot Act against BP, etc. if we HAD a leader
but............it doesn't look like we do.
http://www.naturalnews.com/029153_British_Petroleum_Police_State.html

outlaw CEOs, just another way of saying mafia head, hostile state, etc.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 11:02 PM
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36. Yeah, that's just outrageous that the police help BP to keep information away from us
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 07:32 PM
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25. Rec 58. I notice that the Pres Obama DU team arent responding to this post. nm
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 07:32 PM
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26. BP should get the corporate death penality. nm
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SusanaMontana41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 08:29 PM
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28. Welcome to the U.S. of BP. n/t
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KakistocracyHater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 08:35 PM
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29. again
*
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 09:07 PM
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31. rec, kick & half: when will DC stop letting corporate criminals decide how bad their own crimes are
and how much restitution they owe?
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 09:30 PM
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33. Excellent thread,..K&R and wish I could do it 1 million times! eom
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Patchuli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 11:39 PM
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37. Thank you for posting this
I am simply flabbergasted at how many Americans are just exactly like the frog put in warm water and slowly boiled.

We stood on a busy street corner today holding signs saying things like "Save the Gulf" and "Ban Offshore Drilling" and although we got some support, it was mostly glassy eyed apathy. We had a few well-heeled old farts start arguing with us and/or insulting us, we got some support but mostly? APATHY. Much of it from the young who have to inherit this polluted and wounded planet. Don't they realize they are being boiled????!!

GET UP AMERICA!! The corporations are killing U.S.!!!!!!!! Get off your fat, entitled, reality show watching butts and help U.S.!!!!:argh:
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tiptoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-10 01:01 AM
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38. K & R! nt
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tooeyeten Donating Member (441 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-10 07:20 PM
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39. Don't trust BP today or any day
Someone immediately call the White House and warn them before they,oops, never mind, too late.
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 09:57 AM
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40. Sorry I missed the K&R window on this. Thanks for the OP.
Edited on Wed Jul-14-10 10:00 AM by Overseas
It is so sad that when our president declared his interest in continuing offshore drilling weeks before the BP oil eruption he didn't express concerns about how the clean up technology has lagged so far behind the drilling technology.

Sad that in the interest of saying-- Look, I'm no flower power enviro-- I support dirty drilling and nasty nukes-- he didn't add in more reservations about proceeding safely. And about how much more priority his administration would be putting on safer alternatives to those dangerous power sources.

It has been very depressing to watch the lying about BP being the only company that has the technology to fix the leak-- when they really didn't and had submitted cut & paste permit applications. Their having served their quarterly profits bottom line above protecting the delicate ecosystems of the Gulf of Mexico should have disqualified them from handling the clean up.

It was really disconcerting to hear all the administration and TV talk about letting BP handle the ecological disaster when they had caused it just to save a small percentage of their quarterly profit and were using tons of toxic dispersant instead of safer alternatives and were more interested in reducing the liability calculations than in protecting the ecosystems.

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