"If a wartime situation made it necessary for you to share an open-bay shower with a gay..."

Here is the exact question:

If a wartime situation made it necessary for you to share bathroom facilities with an open bay shower with someone you
believe to be a gay or lesbian Service member, which are you most likely to do? Mark 1.


Take no action
Use the shower at a different time than the Service member I thought to be gay or lesbian
Discuss how we expect each other to behave and conduct ourselves
Talk to a chaplain, mentor, or leader about how to handle the situation
Talk to a leader to see if I had other options
Something else
Don't know

http://www.servicemembersunited.org/survey

====

BELIEVE to be gay? THOUGHT to be gay? How is this any different from the status quo? What kind of fopolish taxpayer-funded survey is this?

What would the conversation be for the "discussion" option? "Hi. I'm straight and I believe you be to be gay so I expect you to not look at me naked and in exchange my conduct will be not to slug you?

How would a chaplain counsel the delicate straight serviceperson on how to "handle the situation" about showering with a gay?

And what do people think showers do to gay people, make us sex-crazed maniacs?

Again, nice dignified survey, Mr. President and the pentagon.

homophobes believe/know two things:
1. they're irresistible sex objects, and
2. they're suckers for a good sales pitch.

I knew a lot of gays in the military. Two made advances (one welcome, one unwelcome). No harassment happened, no insults exchanged. And this was in the horrible '80s. Things have changed for most of us.

Just not the homophobes.

The survey is a complete waste of time and money, and amounts to push polling against gay people.

the subtext to this is so obvious. 10%. If you participated in any team activity, you've been showering with gay people. But the unwritten code of the showers is , just wash up and move on.

EEEIIIAAAAHHHHAAAEE!!!!

I might have to walk in the GAY that washed off their body!!!

What? You think it's like athlete's foot? then put on a pair a flip-flops you ignorant ass

Being a strait dude, I would have to ask, would her girlfriend be showering with her?


Zing!!!!!!!!!


Ok that was bad on many levels :D



AC/DC - Thunderstruck
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvoeeq-BH4w

doesn't mean having sexual relations. Does it?
I am in control of my orifices and probiscus.
Just because I see another of my sexual preference persons naked does not mean I can or will have sexual relations with them.

orientation has nothing the fuck to do do with it.

:wtf:

Sometimes I wonder if we are EVER going to progress as a species.


Has anybody ever heard of a shower curtain? The military could probably buy them for under $100 each all day and night and some contractor could get rich off the deal. hmmm:think:

They are all "bi-curious" and hoping that situation will come up so that they can "discuss" how to conduct themselves and see how much they can bend the rules. :rofl:

and bigoted in their thinking.

I still don't fucking get the shower obsession. Chances are very very high that straight soldiers have ALREADY showered with gay soldiers. But, don't let that stop them? Let them continue to believe bullshit?

Hmmm....

A sniper or IED can possibly kill me? No biggie
A GAY could be in the shower? zOMG, call in the cavalry. I need rescuing.

I'll never fucking understand that logic nor the twisted bullshit people come up with to try to explain that logic. Never.

It is bullshit to worry about being checked out in the shower, but DADT is even bigger bullshit and maybe, just maybe, there are enough smart and honest service members who will response to this question by saying they would take no action.

The question is an attitudinal one. What the military and government do with the results is what's important. The military figured out how to integrate racially, it can figure out how to integrate openly gay service people too. Hell, other countries have figured it out so it's not like the U.S. would be inventing the wheel.

were in junior high school and had to shower in a communal gym.

I remember showering in junior high and high school in such a gym. I don't remember ever thinking it was of any consequence to do that. That's what we did. A communal shower did not affect my sexual attractions in any way.

Some folks, I think, have some sort of bad memories of some kind. Pity.

swam at my alma mater's gym. She was a Classics professor (it's a Catholic college)and we used to talk about the Peloponnesian War while in the communal shower room. It was all very interesting. I have no idea if Sister M. was gay or not (it never occurred to me) and when I told my husband about it he was a little taken aback but mostly thought it was funny...

:wtf:

Glad Truman just told the guys in charge to make it so.

Maybe, ya think? :shrug:
I never did see what difference it made anyway. We're all people.

Now about that question concerning showering with gays and lesbians... Can I choose lesbians? At least I can enjoy the scenery correct? :popcorn: And those sicko's obsessed with other people sex lives have gotta know nothing is going to happen. So whats the problem.

BYW, I have a picture of me, a white male, sitting between two lesbians that had been together for 14 years and they are both kissing me. My lady friend took the picture. Like I said, we're all people.

wtf indeed.

...and still does in too many cases.

Sure, for an African American it would be rare, limited to cases of "is he white? or just light enough to pass?"

As for other "swarthy peoples"... a friend of mine recounted an incident he had in Texas during his Navy days (Vietnam era). He's a big guy of Sicilian heritage, black hair, "olive" complexion that tans easy and dark when the sun is strong -- like Texas in summer. He was on leave away from his base and stopped in a diner for a meal. Sat there for a long time, no one would give him the time of day. Why? 'Cause they "didn't serve Mexicans."

:shrug:

Maybe he ran out of White House letterhead.....:wtf:

There are so many similarities that I suspect Obama is modeling this process after Truman. I don't believe it needs to take as long as desegregating the military did so hopefully he gets moving quickly.

http://www.trumanlibrary.org/whistlestop/study_collections/desegregation/large/index.php?action=chronology

regardless of the sexual orientations of the various persons who shower there.

Or am I putting words into your mouth? (Not to be equated with "shoving it down your throat.")

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

Ridiculous comment, as you well know.

And help the "esprit de corps". I'm all for it.

in in college during the early 70, about 20 students lived in a large old Victorian house. There was one frapping bathroom in the whole house. So..we rigged up an outdoor shower, complete with hot water and about six showerheads. On a hot summer day, the shower would be full more than once a day. Everyone just showered when they wanted to, men and women together much of the time.

I don't remember it being much of a big deal at all. Most of the students were couples of one sort or another in that big house. It just didn't matter. Naked people are just naked people. Under our clothes, we're all stark naked. What's the big deal? Are our military personnel wimpier than that rag-tag bunch of college kids? Really? Showers are for getting clean.

sex should not be an issue... but it is. "Fear of the unknown!"

Though the bigger questions remains: Will you have the guts to answer a question posed to you?

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

During the debate on Clinton's push to lift the ban on gay and lesbians in the military. I swear it is. Remember when some members of the Senate Armed Services committee (including that paragon of bigotry, Strom Thurmond) toured a submarine? To show the close quarters of the bunks in submarines? The entirely unsubtle message following that little stunt and the hearings was made loud and clear: "those homos just can't control themselves. We can't trust them in our military".

But peddling that insulting, demeaning crap was wrong 17 years ago. And it sure as hell is wrong now.

This survey is biased to the extreme. And it's shameful. It would be nice...and perhaps wishful thinking...for President Obama to demand an explanation from his subordinates in the Pentagon about the questions in this survey.

After all, gay people and homophobic preachers making a mint off of hatred must "come together to find common ground".:eyes:

I seem to recall something about him grabbing Patty Murray's ass in the elevator of the Capitol building. Wouldn't even want to think about what that old Klansman did in the shower :scared:

:hide:

the guys what they thought and, of course,I can't imagine they would feel comfortable saying they didn't care if they didn't for fear of suspicion being brought down on them. I got out of the navy a few years after that. I was tired of leading a double life that could cause me great trouble. it was nerve racking and STUPID. my GOOD navy friends new i was gay, didn't care, and didn't worry about the showers.

That's why I was more than a little uneasy when I saw that Obama's campaign was being advised by--you guessed it--Sam Nunn and Colin Powell.

"Ask him to wash my back"

You'd see the 'survey' get buried quickly and never mentioned again.

one at a time?

Most people agree that it is a flawed survey, but everything wrong cannot be put at the feet of the POTUS, regardless of who it is at the time.

Some will use 'the buck stops here' argument, but I betcha there are numerous things that get floated about that do not get the president's input.

and it's only a matter of time before it is locked again.

Unrecced for breaking DU rules. ("Do not start a new topic in order to continue a flame war from another discussion thread.")

It's like deja vu all over again. (Sorry, Yogi).

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

His OP was inaccurate due to using someone else's mistaken survey question as his OP. This OP lists the correct question. How is that breaking rules??? Posters do this ALL THE TIME: repost their OP in accordance with DU rules, when they have inadvertently broken one in their OP. I have never seen you pop up in any of those threads, and we have had quite a few lately, Including some snip/not snip threads.

Are you not judging all posters equally? Holding some posters to a different standard than others? or certain topics? I am honestly curious. Is that the reason why you unrecced the OP? Just curious.

nt

since it was the wording, and not the sentiment, that seemed to get the "ignored" brigade all riled up last time. Ignored still ain't happy, eh? :rofl:

Since the other thread became... sidetracked.

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

you are so off-base it's actually funny.

I think you just don't like BlueBear, to be honest. That's a big more charitable than the only possible alternative, which I won't post because it would probably get deleted as a personal attack.

And, the primary reason why it was locked was because the quote was incorrect. It was fixed. This happens all the time on DU, Several times this week.

And, A MOD IS THE FIRST POST IN THIS THREAD! Are you calling out the Mods, too? WTF???

Post replying to deleted.

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

If that is calling out then nobody is allowed to reply to a thread to discuss the content of the original post. :rofl:

I am not stalking anyone. Or do you also think anyone who posts in two threads that happen to be started by the same person is "stalking"?

You are 2 for 2 in factually inaccurate claims.

I don't speak Martian.

:hi:

That is what a lot of us objected to before, and why it deteriorated into flames. This is fine with me and rec for posting with correct quote.

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

The point is to turn the thread into a flamepit and get it shut down.

It's been a while since I posted much, so I have to remmeber some things...

BS wading boots on. They are essential in any DU survival kit.

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

:hug:

I guess this issue bothers you... thank goodness you aren't a mod.

:cry:

The United States vetted this survey? Really?

Somehow, I doubt he has the time. Be realistic.

... and terribly irresponsible to trust a bunch of homophobic Pentagoners to write one up.

Like it or not, The President owns this.

President Obama knew nothing about it, other than knowing that the military was doing some sort of study. I find it disingenuous that people are laying everything that happens on his shoulders. No President can micromanage at that level.

We disagree. You have a point about micromanaging.

I would think I have a point about a history of slights.

"I believe a marriage should be between a man and a woman." - Sen. Barack Obama, 2008
Donnie McClurkin at a fundraiser
Rick Warren gives the invocation
DOMA delays
DADT delays and attempts to de rail it's repeal by Congress just last month.

If it was just the quote about marriage, his basic homophobia would be enough, but coupled with his other actions over the last 3 years it's damn obvious what he thinks of gay people. So excuse my incredulity that you say he "knew nothing about it".

And if you go read that interview again, he will make it clear to you. Again.

By the time he is out of office, I predict that at least 20 states in this country will have same-sex marriage or at least equivalent same-sex civil unions. Could even be more. If we can get a Democrat elected as Governor in Minnesota, we'll have it here next year.

The die is cast. It is too late to go back. And that's a wonderful thing.

... after that, my original assessment is valid.

he reads DU.

that somehow he is wirepulling everything that makes our lives miserable.

at that level. It would be impossible. To lay every event on his shoulders is irresponsible, and just plain wrong. I can only attribute it to some unyielding hatred for the man. I find that reprehensible.

He must be a very, very busy guy.

it usually implies that it's a direct quote, not a slight rephrasing to make it sound more offensive than the original.

how about high school? definitely showered with at least one gay guy then. somehow, he managed to keep his hands off me. half the guys at my gym are gay, I see naked gay men every day, and they see me naked. been that way for at least a decade. I have never once felt overly objectified. sheesh. cowards.

:* :* :*

You can thank him later

those weren't as bad as the showers in my sophomore dorm, which were doubles. With four, for some reason, it was easier to pretend you weren't all naked. Two was much more intimate. :think:

No frosh were in the dorm -- we all selected it knowing full well that there were only communal showers. It was the first year it was coed but all the rooms were singles. Nearly everyone was uncomfortable for the first few weeks then got over it or transferred to a different dorm. No one hit on anyone in the shower. Hell, we compared tan lines and talked about current events.

The college did convert it into shower stalls at the end of the first term because of complaints from parents.

oh wait it isn't. Just because people are homosexuals doesn't make them perverts and sexual devients as some people seem to believe.

DADT needs to be repealed Truman style, just tell the military to "suck it up", well I wouldn't use those words but something along those lines.

because they are all that and a bag of chips. I guess it doesn't take much for them to extrapolate that little fantasy into believing all gay men want them, too. One sight of their pimply white ass in the shower is all it takes, I guess.

:sarcasm:

Much to my surprise a few actually did. :rofl:

the apparent opportunity to check out naked people one is sexually interested in - which would not apply to the straights anyway - what's the point of checking out a straight person - leaving you to wonder if the real discomfort should be the gay or lesbian soldier having to shower with other gay or lesbian soldiers and being checked out by those who might be sexually interested and vulnerable to their being able to check you out to that extent.

The straight people really have no such worry.

No wonder there is so much ignorance about homelessness if this is still the way people are thinking.

Of course, never mind the rapes of women by straight men at the Air Force Academy, and in all the military. We gotta worry about this.... talk about an obfuscation!

What colossal ignorance!

:wtf: :banghead:

Who thinks this shit up?

Julie

I saw it as a way to effectively shut up the RW lunatics who are no doubt running around claiming that nobody really wants to be bunking, shitting, or showering with gays.

Because I really don't believe gays in the military is as huge an issue as they want to make it out to be.

And then maybe they'll shut up and go away...focus on some other nonexistent "problem".

to be honked off about this nonsense.

Redstone

I grew up taking swimming lessons at a YMCA with open bay showers and it was the same in high school and at university. You take a shower to get clean, not to meet people. Maybe thats just me. :shrug:

where no adversary can put fear in our brave fighting men... Except for some dude checking out their weenie in the shower! The brave and honorable troops need our protection from that!:eyes:

It's not a sexual habit, from what I've been told, it's a "man" thing - sort of a pecking order check.

Haele

:rofl:

What a way to behave!;)

BTW, I'm a she. :hi:

The survey is ridiculous. I have yet to meet a currently serving sailor or marine who really cares one way or another, no matter what their personal views on homosexuality are.

You want to see "pecking order checking"?
Visit any lower enlisted berthing showers (pretty much open bay) on any large platform ship Deck or Engineering Department right before shore leave...

Haele

opportunity to look at weenies... But I'm an ass man, which makes staring easier.:evilgrin:

It seems that a lot of the people on the right are afraid of being attacked by gays and forced to have sex.
Have they ever given any facts to back that up?? Anyone have any links to those facts??

That is what we should be asking.

:)

Look, I'm not a hateful person or anything–I believe we should all live and let live. But lately, I've been having a real problem with these homosexuals. You see, just about wherever I go these days, one of them approaches me and starts sucking my cock.
Take last Sunday, for instance, when I casually struck up a conversation with this guy in the health-club locker room. Nothing fruity, just a couple of fellas talking about their workout routines while enjoying a nice hot shower. The guy looked like a real man's man, too–big biceps, meaty thighs, thick neck. He didn't seem the least bit gay. At least not until he started sucking my cock, that is.
Where does this queer get the nerve to suck my cock? Did I look gay to him? Was I wearing a pink feather boa without realizing it? I don't recall the phrase, "Suck my cock" entering the conversation, and I don't have a sign around my neck that reads, "Please, You Homosexuals, Suck My Cock."
I've got nothing against homosexuals. Let them be free to do their gay thing in peace, I say. But when they start sucking my cock, then I've got a real problem.
Then there was the time I was hiking through the woods and came across a rugged-looking, blond-haired man in his early 30s. He seemed straight enough to me while we were bathing in that mountain stream, but, before you know it, he's sucking my cock!
What is it with these homos? Can't they control their sexual urges? Aren't there enough gay cocks out there for them to suck on without them having to target normal people like me?
Believe me, I have no interest in getting my cock sucked by some queer. But try telling that to the guy at the beach club. Or the one at the video store. Or the one who catered my wedding. Or any of the countless other homos who've come on to me recently. All of them sucked my cock, and there was nothing I could do to stop them.
I tell you, when a homosexual is sucking your cock, a lot of strange thoughts go through your head: How the hell did this happen? Where did this fairy ever get the idea that I was gay? And where did he get those fantastic boots?
It screws with your head at other times, too. Every time a man passes me on the street, I'm afraid he's going to grab me and drag me off to some bathroom to suck my cock. I've even started to visualize these repulsive cock-sucking episodes during the healthy, heterosexual marital relations I enjoy with my wife–even some that haven't actually happened, like the sweaty, post-game locker-room tryst with Vancouver Canucks forward Mark Messier that I can't seem to stop thinking about.
Things could be worse, I suppose. It could be women trying to suck my cock, which would be adultery and would make me feel tremendously guilty. As it is, I'm just angry and sickened. But believe me, that's enough. I don't know what makes these homosexuals mistake me for a guy who wants his cock sucked, and, frankly, I don't want to know. I just wish there were some way to get them to stop.
I've tried all sorts of things to get them to stop, but it has all been to no avail. A few months back, I started wearing an intimidating-looking black leather thong with menacing metal studs in the hopes that it would frighten those faggots off, but it didn't work. In fact, it only seemed to encourage them. Then, I really started getting rough, slapping them around whenever they were sucking my cock, but that failed, too. Even pulling out of their mouths just before ejaculation and shooting sperm all over their face, neck, chest and hair seemed to have no effect. What do I have to do to get the message across to these swishes?
I swear, if these homosexuals don't take a hint and quit sucking my cock all the time, I'm going to have to resort to drastic measures–like maybe pinning them down to the cement floor of the loading dock with my powerful forearms and working my cock all the way up their butt so they understand loud and clear just how much I disapprove of their unwelcome advances. I mean, you can't get much more direct than that

http://www.theonion.com/articles/why-do-all-these-homosexuals-keep-sucking-my-cock,10861/

;)

Where was and is the duty pay? Can we also get interest paid on the pay delay?

No matter how hard I tried or cried, it didn't matter to my educators. No appeals to the teacher, administration, or parents changed the outcome. It was shower with others after gym class or don't graduate. Absolutely rigid zero tolerance. At the time, it was the most humiliating thing I had yet endured in school.

Looking back now, I suspect the core issue was how our society had indoctrinated us to remain clothed when in the presence of other people, how nudity had been ostracized as unacceptable (fear), and then, wham, the privacy such clothing provides was stripped away in a semi-public environment under threat of great sanction (fear). Seems rather psychologically bi-polar. We're born into the world naked!

Hmm, wasn't "forced nudity" one of the torture tactics used in military interrogations?

So, if our society wanted to create fear, why wouldn't it first teach us we must remain clothed, so we could then be psychologically harmed by others who force us to disrobe. I guess it's all about hierarchy and instilling fear.

Seriously, as adults, if we need, and I mean really NEED to take a shower, perhaps we should be grateful there's a shower facility to do so.

However, with the huge amount of psychological operations that have been conducted by us and against us, the military is probably wise to poll service members, but only for assessing how best to implement a sexual orientation non-discrimination policy.

This should have 100 recs. It ahd eight an hour ago.

But it's OK since it's OUR team throwing us under the bus.

Which is what us Democrats fight for, right everybody?

And, I am really tired of you running from thread to thread and accusing other posters of "things." You've done it several times in this thread already.

It's terrible when a powerful political colloquialism gets so overrused that it becomes effectively useless.

And it hasn't even been two years yet. Still got lots of time. We just made room for Carlos Santana the other day.

I guess I'll call you the "anti-Crew".

edit spelling

Or has the mission statement of DU changed dramatically since I last read it?

Don't know how to be any clearer. *I* certainly didn't throw myself down here.

TTFN - time to go make my steaks for dinner.

I wonder how I did that. I don't believe I have the upper body strength to accomplish such a task.

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

Because its appalling to me that Democrats like us (I assume we are all Democrats) would want to gut our own president after 8 years of the Bush horror.

If that makes you angry, I don't know what to tell you. I cannot help it. I'm a Democrat who supports Democratic candidates and keeping Democrats in power because we know the alternative right now is incalculably worse.

I'm sorry if you disagree.

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

And the difference is, there are those who would enact their beliefs/bigotries via govt power if they had the chance, and those who will not.

Obama is explecitly, and demonstrably, the latter. And I'm thankful for it.

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

:dunce:

I better check my supplies....

:eyes:

Which was the top complaint in this thread's first go round.

The OP says no such thing.

And clearly goes on as if Obama even knew what the specific questions were, let alone that he is responsible for them.

An insinuation that has to even come close to be proven.

What you wish to post is a rewrite of the OP, which is sitting right there at the top of the thread. It says what it says.

The statement clearly is directed at President Obama and the Pentagon - NEITHER of whom is responsible for the survey (as I will show you in an upcoming topic thread). The OP clearly is directing their comment at Obama due to some feeling of culpability on his part, which is completely false.

If you are truly repulsed at such a survey (and I do find it repulsive) then if one were acting honestly, they would take it to the true source, instead of using it as yet another opportunity to take a poke at a sitting DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENT.

And his Pentagon is seriously wrong in this. It is that simple. He needs to do the right thing.

And never did. It would be clearly impossible.

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

... with garlic bread. :rofl:

I had spaghetti with homemade white sauce, and a salad. LOTS of garlic.

Except mine was red sauce from a jar. It tends to happen when you're a bachelor. I did have some real grated parmesan from Vitamin Cottage though. Had no wine though.:shrug:

:hug:

Know any... Sailors?:rofl:

It is fun to play 'Mad Libs' with this material, and replace the word 'gay' with other words for other groups, such as 'black' or 'Jew' and words such as 'shower' with other words, such as 'daughter' and 'wallet'. Big laughs for the entire family!

This country needs to grow up. It is about time it respected gays.

The ONLY thing I will care about my fellow soldiers is can they shoot straight while patching me up! It is that simple.

...(and I use that term deliberately**) than the "manly men" who squeal and clutch their crotches at the thought that there might be a ...a...a...HOMO (gasp!) anywhere around. And when they're naked even!


**"Sissy" in the sense of "unmasculine". The context makes it even more appropriate. I'm sure there is a female version, but most of the squealers in question on this are male, so I won't bother searching for a gender-neutral version.

And we all lived through that

This crap is annoying. I want the President and the Pentagon to stop obsessing about teh gay and start doing something about the heterosexual rapists in the military who are getting away with serious crimes.

I'm British. Our military manages to cope with openly gay troops with no significant problems.

Well done, UK!

and gay men and lesbians will be able to serve openly...

I think quite a few people will be embarrassed by all of the melodrama, fear and anxiety whipped up about this whole issue. What I've read, time after time, from the experiences of your country, of Canada, of Israel, was that it was ultimately no big deal.

After all, the reason for repealing DADT is to let gay and lesbian military personnel be out and proud, isn't it?

BTW The survey is asking them which of the multiple choice answers are they most likely to do given the situations. It's not giving advice on what they should do, as you seem to be implying.

use of their time, not to mention our few million dollars. :eyes:

And for whatever reason, gbl service members should be able to retain their own freedom to keep their orientations private. The end of DADT simply means that if someone finds out, then witch hunting isn't the result.

To repeal DADT. Basically, we will be at pre-DADT law. I personally find this rather despicable, but hope that GLBT service members will soon have it written into law they can't be discriminated against. All other Federal GLUT employees are protected, so they should be, too.

Will there be a 1950's type educational film? "What to do when you believe the HOMOSEXUAL is in your barracks".

This whole thing is so sick and twisted. How did things get this way?

Triangulation.

that you would contemplate seeking guidance from a chaplain...

I think that someone has some issues. Some serious issues.

I sometimes forget how truly insidious homophobia can be.

is to cancel that gym membership.

Edit because I accidentally applied to the wrong post, but your comment made me laugh.

I don't know why you missed posting this one since you link so many other articles on the topic. But I'm sure it must be encouraging to you, bluebear.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0610/38877.html

The most homophobic GI's I have ever met have pot bellies, crooked teeth, jug ears, pasty faces, and flat feet. Oh did I mention bad hair?

What in Sam Hill makes them think anyone is lusting after them?

... not to mention Perversion for Profit

http://www.archive.org/details/Perversi1965

Part 2

http://www.archive.org/details/Perversi1965_2

I was in the Army and we took many communal showers together, maybe a few of the guys were gay...it never, ever was an issue. Am I supposed to be mad that 'a gay' is in the shower with me...because he might find me sexy or maybe unattractive? Is it that he will stare at my butt or not? What if 'a gay' asks me to pass the soap, should I call a leader to see if I have options? This is flat out stupid beyond imagination imo.

What a crappy survey, Mr. President.