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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-10 12:51 AM
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That DADT survey question about the showers is irrelevant to its repeal because...
...it's based on what's currently going on, not what life in the military would be like post-DADT.

When DADT is repealed, surely there'd be no need for anyone to "believe" a colleague is "a gay or lesbian". After all, the reason for repealing DADT is to once and for all allow gay and lesbian military personnel be out and proud, isn't it?

If Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell is repealed and you are assigned to bathroom facilities with an open bay shower that someone you believe to be a gay or lesbian Service member also used, which are you most likely to do? Mark 1.


Here's an article from Canada that gives some perspective...

Out and proud in the military
JON TATTRIE
FOR METRO TORONTO
June 30, 2010 5:25 a.m.

In the past 20 years, the Canadian Forces has gone from being a homophobic organization that actively hounded out gay and lesbian members, to one of the world’s leading advocates of open integration.

Rana Sioufi, a spokeswoman for the Forces, says after abolishing the don’t ask/don’t tell policy in 1992, the armed forces no longer has a specific policy for gay and lesbian members, and uniformed personnel regularly march in Pride parades and marry in base chapels. “Members who are same-sex partners are entitled to the same respect and dignity as heterosexual married couples or common-law partners,” Sioufi says.

That’s a long way from the treatment Michelle Douglas received in 1989. She did not reveal that she was a lesbian, but the Special Investigations Unit kicked in the closet door.

Douglas was interrogated on the suspicion she was gay and ultimately dismissed on the grounds that she was “not advantageously employable due to homosexuality.”

More: http://www.metronews.ca/toronto/toronto/article/566796--out-and-proud-in-the-military


Another thing, it looks like the authors of the survey made up that "open bay shower" phrase (maybe because changing one letter makes it "open gay shower"?). I did a Google search for the term "open bay shower" and the only http://www.google.com/search?q=%22open+bay+shower%22&num=50&hl=en&safe=off&rls=com.microsoft:en-US&prmdo=1&prmd=b&ei=7lk5TMv0JtCRrAeY-8G3CA&start=0&sa=N">results that came up were links to articles about this survey.

Also, where's the "I'd take a shower like I normally do" option?

Take no action
Use the shower at a different time than the Service member I thought to be gay or lesbian
Discuss how we expect each other to behave and conduct ourselves
Talk to a chaplain, mentor, or leader about how to handle the situation
Talk to a leader to see if I had other options
Something else
Don't know


Page 26: http://www.servicemembersunited.org/survey

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KonaKane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-10 12:55 AM
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1. Excellent observation.
I didnt see it from that angle before. Thanks for the insight.
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stevekatz Donating Member (139 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-10 12:58 AM
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2. "open bay showers"
I've been active duty for 13 years...

"open bay showers" is the politically correct term used for these types of showers, which are in many military gyms and deployed locations.

the non-pc term is actually "gang-bang showers"

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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-10 01:05 AM
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3. Thanks for the insight
Are there showers with cubicles, too?
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stevekatz Donating Member (139 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-10 01:07 AM
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4. Yes
Newer gyms tend to have cubicles. And large deployed locations do -sometimes- as well.

Also some very old barracks/dormitories still have open bay showers.

If anyone ever has specific questions about military jargon just send me a PM
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Laughing Mirror Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-10 10:50 AM
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6. Are there actually any gang bangs in those showers?
Frequently, occasionally, or otherwise?
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-10 01:10 AM
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5. Nevermind.
Edited on Sun Jul-11-10 01:10 AM by myrna minx
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-10 01:25 PM
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7. Thanks for the interesting thread.
The best line: where's the "I'd take a shower like I normally do" option?
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