Fellow Techies: Time to pull up stakes and leave this place for Canada

IN Canada, you get health care, day care subsidies, and the economy is BOOMING

I've had to turn down several Canadian (with visa) opportunities because I thought the US is my home.

But its clear that I, and the highly educated tech workforce are not wanted here.

Both parties seem hellbent on turning this place into a third world country, complete with our children as $10 prostitutes

Don't worry, the door won't be hitting my ass on the way out.

And I suggest the same for any tech talent out there

They don't want us, they don't need us, and they all want to piss on us

'better than America' at least not yet.

Well in that case, fuck them!

Its a good place for anyone looking, and beautiful too. Good luck everyone if you move.

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/skilled/index.asp

http://www.britishexpats.com

for the same jobs.

Fucking lying assholes and the duplicitous dupes that buy their lies.
:kick: & R

The Government (both parties) won't stop until we're all broke or dead

Don't they have immigration requirements? Don't they want to protect their own citizens' jobs?

And right now they are issuing their version of the H1B like crazy

I love Vancouver. Unfortunately I have family obligations here.

At least between the three countries involved.

Plenty of immigrants create them. Getting in is pretty non-trivial for most people still, but even so.

The 7th year I was shit on. I didn't get paid a cent for my last 10 months of work, and now the people that owe me the money are hiding behind their pretty little LLC document that grants them the legal means to screw everyone they hire.

I really want to leave the industry, but unfortunately I'm really good at it.

That's why God invented them: when scum don't pay you, systems have a weird way of breaking.

I'm not really the malicious type anyway.

I thought my contract would be enforced legally when I quit (party will be paid all balances within 30 days, etc), but I quickly learned that contracts with LLC's are worthless. The lawyer said I'd win my case in about 5 minutes, and then I would get nothing and owe him a lot of money.

1) don't let them force you to 1099. If they want your labor, make them hire you.

2) don't work for LLCs. For reasons you understand all too well.

Completely unethical, but very helpful sometimes.

They agreed to pay me for a server to be set up. If they decide they don't want to pay me, there's no reason I shouldn't take the server down.

The best you can hope to do to make it legal is to put it in the fine print of the contract. That gives you pretty broad legal protection to rescind the contract by "undoing" the work.

And most of those jobs are in the "service industry"

Tech has rebounded somewhat, but not exactly "booming", at least not in Ontario. British Columbia might be a better bet.

Although I imagine almost anywhere else is better than the American tech market right now.

Well, we built the industry the first time, I guess we'll just have to do it again. Hopefully this time we will remember what happens when we sell out for the short-term payday and stick with our new creations.

At the risk of going Godwin, it reminds me of Hitler's inner circle in the Fuherbunker...

We currently have a bushwannabe as Prime Minister who's party's roots lie in the same direction as the neocons in the U.S.

Their goals are to privatize healthcare and education, support corporations over the needs of the citizen, reduce taxes for the rich and powerful on the backs of the middle class. They may be a 'minority' government but that has not stopped them from beginning to put those goals into action.

They could well become a majority government after the next election and then watch all those positive attributes be legislated away very quickly.

We have the multi-party system many on DU would like to see be instituted in the U.S. and it is working out well for us at this time...NOT.

There are currently 4 main parties and one fringe. 4 of the 5 are center-left to left of the left and that is not going to change very soon ergo the left vote is split four ways while the rabid right is very united under ONE party. Guess who is most likely to win the next election?

It doesn't help, mind you, when the Liberal party can't get it's crap together and the NDP leader seems to have forgotten his base and votes to support the neocon government when there is a chance to remove them.

3rd-world reboot of America now in progress? Are you going to miss your opportunity to be imprisoned by the Fascist Police State for some ridiculous charges so that you can provide slave labor for our owners? Awww.

How can you leave so soon and not get to see the people turning on each other, losing their cookies and giving each other lumps on the roads and in public places, assuring that the heist by the wealthy will continue to be hidden in plain sight? I mean the fight for dwindling everything availability and our glorious, Faith Based Tickets, (aka money) is going to be a riot.

Good for you! I wish I could, too.

Be sure to drop us some postcards here at DU and give us a first-hand report of how it goes.

Enjoy your health care!

that's the reason your ancestors came to the U.S.

Whoever is doing best gets the most immigrants. Which is why immigrants are not a bad thing.

Occurring to us to get the hell out of Dodge.

Like you say, the two parties both want the middle-incomed to be destitute.

One of the definitions of a third world, banana republic is when the election system is seriously flawed, so that the average person has no real choice that will benefit them.

When you "have to vote" for the lesser evil because the other party's candidate is a mind fuck.

But that "lesser evil" is so firmly in Bed with the Big Corporations that nothing good can come of that choice either.

Seems to be a great demand for people with my technical skill set over there, but none here..

There are tons of techy jobs down here. Look on any of the job boards.

:hi:

I love California, but a few years abroad never hurt me before

But for the younger educators out there, I agree. The USofA is not a good place to work.

Is there such a thing still in America? :shrug:

I'd flunk it now, unfortunately - over 50, Type 1 diabetes, no Canadian family and not financially independent. I've found a pretty decent job in high tech here since then, and will likely stay put.