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AnArmyVeteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 09:53 PM
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The consequences of conservatives winning in November & why we MUST defeat them!
Conservatives want the President to fail. They want Americans to fail. And they want our country to fail. They will do anything to win and that includes putting our country in jeopardy of great danger. They cheer every time they block legislation they know could help our country's economy and Americans. They seem to cheer at the misery they are causing to the millions of unemployed who are struggling just to stay in their homes. It's obvious conservatives couldn't care less about the middle class and the poor. They think they're all 'spoiled' deadbeats waiting with their hands out for their 'huge' $300 checks, which isn't even enough to keep their households afloat. The complete lack of compassion and empathy in conservatives is at a level only sociopaths could understand.

Conservatives hate everything about government, its services, its creations and the government workers who toil tirelessly for others. They attack all government spending as a waste, unless that spending is to build weapons to be used in wars against non-existent enemies. Conservatives are for unlimited amounts of money to be used on defense, even if the spending doesn't increase our protection from foreign threats by even a dime. Conservatives lust for huge armies and horrendous weaponry to destroy countries and kill innocent people, but vehemently attack any spending used to help the sick, the poor or the downtrodden of our own fellow citizens.

As government programs get slashed and our infrastructure deteriorates to an unusable condition we will begin to resemble countries like Somalia or Haiti. There will be no standards, no regulations and no laws to ensure the public safety or the ability of our country to have a functional society. As government is destroyed and our infrastructure becomes unusable the very capitalism that conservatives seem to worship will become virtually impossible. No commerce will lead to massive unemployment, causing our country to fall into a death spiral with no hope of ever recovering. All of the current threads that weave throughout our country holding it together would be ripped out leaving nothing in its place. Order would turn to chaos and chaos into anarchy.

If conservative beliefs are forced upon our country and if they succeed in implementing all of their agendas, there would be no future for the United States. As we stand on the rubble where a great country once stool, we could tell conservatives "I told you so", but at that point blaming those who caused the destruction would be the last thing on our minds. We would be so busy just trying to survive in the dog-eat-dog world created by conservatives.

The United States would become a combination of Somalia and Haiti, with no functioning government, no commerce and no hope. Conservatives might even feel 'proud' of their success in destroying our country. And just like in Somalia, the people with the biggest guns would be ruling over those who are the most vulnerable. Conservatives would even be proud of having a country where almost the entire GNP of their 'new United States' would be piracy, the equivalent to the today's big businesses ruthlessly doing whatever they want without fear of government laws or law enforcement. If all conservative beliefs became realities then America would become exactly like the libertarian 'paradise' of Somalia.

Conservatives cloak themselves in self-delusion professing to be 'Christians' but they reject all of Jesus' teachings. If Jesus was nailed to the cross today, but pulled down before he died, Christian conservative extremists would want to deny him medical care and condemn him as he lay dying, saying people who are irresponsible enough to not have health insurance should not be entitled to receive the medical care they need to live. Today 43,000 of our American brothers and sisters are needlessly dying every year because they committed the crime of being poor, unemployed or down-on-their-luck. In a conservative utopia those 43,000 would turn into tens of millions a year.

The divisions we are experiencing in the United States is not just a struggle between liberals and conservatives or democrats and republicans. We are in the midst of a full scale war of good versus evil. If we are not successful in stopping insane, short-sighted, radical conservative agendas, all inspired and driven by hatred, racism, ignorance, fear and anger our country will have no future.

If we can't defeat the evils of today's mutant conservatives we might as well begin building a coffin in the shape of the once great United States...

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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 09:57 PM
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1. I'm not sure about Somalia and Haiti
I see it more like post-Soviet Russia, with a bloated military that no one seems to know what to do with, while people freeze to death in the streets. :scared:
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AnArmyVeteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 10:43 PM
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7. If conservatives were in total control all regulations would be eliminated.
Have you heard John Boehner lately? He wants a federal moratorium on all new government regulations. Tea Baggers also want an end to regulations and laws. So do all conservative extremists. Without regulations and laws our country WOULD look like Somalia or Haiti, which are virtually free of any regulations or laws. And in an environment where law and regulations do not exist it would lead to anarchy, just like what is happening in Somalia. The Russian analogy is valid only when discussing the huge military. It does not address the chaos that would result if the US become a country where all regulations and laws are eliminated.

Post USSR Russia wasn't a 'libertarian' paradise as Somalia appears to be. They still had laws, but they became virtually unenforceable because Russia didn't have the resources left to even pay their soldiers. There was a great concern at that time because there was such a great threat from the highly trained people in the Russian missile program who the US thought could be easily enticed into selling their nuclear technology and the stockpiles of nuclear weapons.

The problems in the US is conservative ignorance who fall easy prey to corrupt corporations and their political leaders who are manipulating them into supporting the rich and powerful who seek to destroy their way of life. If the conservatives finally started using their brains they would join us against our common enemy. But until then we are forced to fight against conservatives in congress and those conservatives who follow and believe their political leaders.

If we don't fight against conservative ignorance our country will be doomed.


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regnaD kciN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 01:55 AM
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9. You might be right...
A hugely-stratified country where most of the money and power was held by "businessmen" that would become less and less distinguishable from gangsters by the day.

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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 10:03 PM
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2. this is not an *us* or *them* issue -- it's CLASS warfare, and the enemies
Edited on Sat Jul-17-10 10:05 PM by Donnachaidh
are in BOTH parties. Blaming the conservatives solely for the plans to wipe out the middle class is fraudulent. It is the wealthy elites, along with the corporate cronies who have bought Washington ALREADY who are the real problem.

Laying the blame solely on Conservatives is playing right into the divide and conquer game they set us up with years ago. All this *we gotta beat them* is cheerleading the game that IS taking down this country.
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metapunditedgy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 10:17 PM
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3. You betcha! Keep an eye on the *issues* and what promises are kept.
Everything else (personalities, parties) is just political sport that we voters pay for.
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AnArmyVeteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 10:27 PM
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4. My take is conservatives are willing dupes to the powerful & rich.
Conservatives blindly support the very people who seek to harm them. Our side knows the threats from the wealthy and powerful. We're not duped by them. Every right wing media outlet keeps beating the same drum supporting the corporations, the wealthy and the powerful. And their mindless conservative listeners lap up every word without question or thought.

I understand what you are saying, but if conservatives had the ability to think, they would be more on our side and against the ruling elite and corporations. If conservatives woke up both liberals and conservatives could all be fighting together against the oppressive power elite.

Conservatives are the ones who are easily being manipulated to carry the corporate flags believing them to be symbols of their capitalistic gods. I know the tactics of the corporations and the wealthy, but I don't know why conservatives are so willing to be duped into supporting the same people who seek to hurt them. When I said we have to beat conservatives it's true. We need to expose their totally flawed beliefs and expose the corporate attacks against the middle and poorer classes of people.

I suppose I could have written a lot longer article to explain how corporations are responsible for why conservatives are being manipulated so easily. But it wouldn't change the fact that we must defeat conservatism wherever it appears. It is just another tool in the corporate arsenal of ploys to seize more and more control over the populace.

My article is a warning. If we don't beat the ignorance being so firmly embraced by conservatives THAT is what will take down our country. I'm not cheerleading anyone. I merely presented the facts and the dangers of doing nothing. If we don't do it, conservatives surely won't do anything to improve our country. They will blindly keep supporting the same power thugs who are trying to destroy them.
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 10:33 PM
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5. so using your logic, if *they* are easily duped - how do you explain the *liberals* who work with
the elites? Willing accomplises?

I'm sorry, I'm not willing to blame it all on them. That buys into the d/c ruse being played on ALL of us by the elites. When we *stop* playing that game and start educating EVERYONE around us as to where the REAL danger is coming from - we'll correct the problem.
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AnArmyVeteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 11:02 PM
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8. Try educating a conservative extremist.
Have you tried educating a conservative extremist? We all know they are totally brainwashed by the likes of right wing radio, Faux Noise and their corrupt conservative political leaders. I didn't ever say ALL of the blame is on conservative extremists. But they have been completely duped by corporate mouthpieces in their own party, by corporate propaganda and by right wing radio thugs who push that free trade and capitalism is only possible if all regulations are eliminated. The left isn't playing the game of the money masters. Democrats KNOW the problem that the source of the problems come from the rich and powerful. But conservatives cheer on those very rich and powerful people who are trying to do them in.

You can't correct a problem by trying to communicate with a conservative extremist. They have become so polarized they are virtually unreachable. They don't respond to logic, reason or intelligence. They are more like a cult because their beliefs are not based in reality. Since they will not be willing subjects to be re-educated the only thing left for us to do is to fight them tooth and nail at the polls. If you believe you can reach them using reason, intelligence and common sense, I wish you well, and if you do find a way to break though their impenetrable skulls please report back to DU and reveal your secrets. Because no one has successfully been able to communicate with conservative extremists or to sway them to a liberal point of view.

The ONLY option we have in the next three months is to mobilize voters and to defeat all conservative extremists because if they are able to take back congress our country is virtually doomed, especially if President Obama doesn't win the 2012 election.

BTW, explain to me how democrats/progressives are playing into the hands of the power elite if we are against them and are trying to undo all of the damage they caused? And I'd really love to hear your explanation of how to de-program conservative extremists so they are able to become fighters for our cause.
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 10:33 PM
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6. K&R big #5!1 n/t
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 06:06 AM
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10. Kicked and Recommended!!!
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LiberalLoner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 06:42 AM
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11. Great post, really tells the truth! :) n/t
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AnArmyVeteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 09:50 AM
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12. Thanks LiberalLoner!
What you have been saying about good versus evil is so true and it is what inspired me to write my OP. When cities are forced to eliminate a lot of police and fire department services it's getting serious. Conservatives will cheer these cutbacks until their houses burn down or until they become victimized by crimes and realize they have no one to help them. Conservatives don't think of the long term consequences of their actions. We are in a battle and I hope saner minds prevail.

Having said all that serious stuff I hope you have a Happy Sunday! ;)



Always know yasbtm!!! :)
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 11:13 AM
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13. K&R I totally get where you're coming from in your OP and your well thought out follow up arguments.
"The complete lack of compassion and empathy in conservatives is at a level only sociopaths could understand."

I've been calling them misanthropic sociopaths for a while now.

"They are more like a cult because their beliefs are not based in reality."

Absolutely. They have been/are being willingly brainwashed by the disinformation being spork fed to them by Faux and their favorite hate radio stations. I'd like to hear any deprogramming ideas anyone can come up with, too.

Kicked, Recommended and added to my buddies.

Thanks a lot for posting.

:kick:
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w8liftinglady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 11:15 AM
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14. please-create a ltte for my paper about this...you can print it here:
Edited on Sun Jul-18-10 11:17 AM by w8liftinglady
you do not have to be a subscriber-people out of the area(right-wing) are printed all the time...

http://www.thedailylight.com/forms/letters/
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reformist2 Donating Member (998 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 11:27 AM
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15. I don't think the losses will be that bad.

Here's why: Even though the people are unhappy with the state of the economy (as they should be), when election time rolls around a lot of them are going to have a hard time checking the box for someone who advocates austerity and cutbacks over someone who says we need more stimulus and jobs programs. Republicans want this to be a repeat of 1994, but it's not going to happen, because they have no ideas this time around. At least no ideas that will resonate with the public at large. On the other hand, Democrats should not rest easy - they do need to sharply define the differences in stark terms, or else voters won't care. And the primary focus needs to be JOBS, JOBS, JOBS. Show the public they have a plan, unlike the Republicans. If they do that, they should be fine.
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Born_A_Truman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 12:31 PM
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16. Consequenses ...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-creamer/dirty-little-secrets-the_b_645404.html

From the link:

•Meet Congressman Paul Ryan. Ryan is the ranking Republican on the House Budget Committee. If the Republicans once again take control of the House, he will be the Chair of the Budget Committee. Ryan believes -- and says out loud -- that Medicare, one of the most popular Federal programs in history, should be abolished and replaced with vouchers for private insurance. Let's recall that one of the ways Republicans stirred up opposition to health insurance reform was by falsely accusing Democrats of wanting to cut Medicare. They convinced some unwitting seniors that "Government" should keep its hands off Medicare -- which is, of course, a "Government" program. Democrats need to make it crystal clear in this campaign that Republicans -- who opposed Medicare from its inception -- actually want to abolish the program and hand over control of health care for America's seniors to the same private insurance companies responsible for driving up rates three times faster than wages while their profits have exploded.


•The Republicans want to weaken and repeal the new law to rein in the recklessness of the big Wall Street banks. Most Republicans and Democrats voted to bail out the big banks to prevent a 1930's style market collapse. The difference is that Democrats supported legislation to rein in their recklessness -- that had cost 8 million Americans their jobs -- and assure that a bailout was never allowed to happen again. But with very few exceptions, the Republicans voted to a person against holding Wall Street accountable. Given a chance, they plan to team up with their pals on Wall Street to free them to return to their reckless ways at will. In fact, they told the titans of Wall Street as much in fundraising meetings, where those "masters of the Universe" were asked to ante up. Republicans claim to oppose more Wall Street bailouts, but they refuse to support legislation that would prevent one in the future and hold Wall Street accountable. That -- coupled with those big contributions from Wall Street -- is a position that is very difficult for average voters to swallow. In fact, the polling says it's down right toxic.



•Finally, meet Congressman Joe Barton. If the Republicans win back control of Congress, he would once again most likely serve as the Chairman of the Energy and Commerce Committee -- the Committee that oversees the oil industry. Congressman Barton has never met an oil company he doesn't like. In fact, he's the guy who actually apologized to BP when they were forced by the Obama Administration to take economic responsibility for the disastrous Gulf oil spill. As a political matter, that's like apologizing to Jack the Ripper.
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