Who says propaganda doesn't work?

Incredibly we are being sold on the absurd notion that electing a bunch of right wing ideologues is exactly what the country needs to turn things around. It's hard to believe that the political/media establishment is able sell this garbage every election cycle.

Many of the problems in the country are attributable to right wing policies yet the public is always sold on the idiotic idea that the country needs more right wing politicians to fix the problems. Why do people buy into this nonsense?

I would argue that the main reason for the lack of change is because the Obama administration is too right wing. The tea party propaganda sold centrist/right policies as far left.

Always has.

Last 2 sentences explain the phenomenon. Ironic.

Thus the right claims our problems are due the Obama administration's far left agenda.

The left isn't helping to promote this nonsense. The left has correctly noted that the Obama administration's actions do not fit the campaign promises.

"how dare the right-wing spew propaganda to take down Obama saying he is too left-wing, clearly he's too right-wing and I intend on spewing propaganda to destroy him for being too right-wing"

:eyes:

:crazy:

Should I buy the party line instead? Should I pretend that HCR reform is progressive legislation, ramping up Afghanistan is a great idea, not investigating Bush administration corruption is good for the country (after all that would distract from the progressive legislative agenda), watered down financial regulation is going to reign in banking corruption, etc.

Why don't you assign blame where it belongs (i.e. with the party that failed to live up to their campaign promises)?

:rofl:

or the Obama administration? Or do you label all dissent as "spewing propaganda?"

I'm holding the Obama administration to an unfair standard? I'm being unrealistic?

-George W. Bush

Obama is not a "conservative". Hyperbole isn't going to help your cause. Your noise is part of the problem, not part of the solution. You're actually hurting the cause.

We are moving away from the "conservative" agenda. Perhaps we're not moving fast enough, with that I can agree. But to lump Obama with "conservatives" is just plain old disinformation.

Many of the policies are centrist/right.

Or are you one of those who believes that there is an "art to talking to them?"

"Conservatives" have done an incredible amount of damage over the past 30 years, especially in the 8 years before Obama took office. Obama's hands have been tied in so many ways by taking over 2 wars and an economy in a liquidity trap.

Obama has started us on the right path and we need to build on that--not enable "conservatives" to enjoy a resurgence.

Look at what "conservatives" are saying. Are they saying they have something new? Have they apologized for squandering our lives, treasure, and good name? Are they even doing a good job of obscuring the wave of racism that they continue to try to ride?

You can't just go in, sweep out all of the trash, and start all over. It certainly would have been good if Obama was prescient enough to do that at MM, but it doesn't work like that. The ship of state turns slowly and it's not surprising that many policies end up being "centrist/right".

That's a lot better than batshit crazy Cheney/Bush bullshit right.

Enlighten us how this is *moving away from the conservative agenda*. And after THAT, you can enlighten us on how continuing Bush policies in regards to the Patriot Act, rendition and all the other policies that have been continued by the Obama Administration.

We wait breathless for your explanation :eyes:

So I'm not going to try. There are excellent posters here who provide this information regularly. If you're actually interested in being objective you can easily find this information.

I notice you refer to yourself as "us". Maybe one of your other personalities have more sense than you?

I've gradually come to a belief that it isn't about left and right; instead about a cabal of elitists, Wall St. bankers and corporatists, who along with the corporate media are using propaganda to pit the minions against each other, left against the right.

The intent is to deflect the public's attention from their real motive which is to rob Americans and our public USA assets blind. We might learn from what happened in Russia. The oligarchs want our money, want our social security (actually they've already taken most of it), want taxpayer subsidies, and most importantly they want to keep the public blind and ignorant to what they are actually doing. The two Party system has served them very well.

Since 1980 the middle class has been made poorer, our manufacturing jobs out sourced, our country has been put deeply into debt, and the cabal described above have been made far wealthier and more powerful.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acLW1vFO-2Q



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If it didn't, they wouldn't still be using it.

and how would you go about convincing a majority in the voting booth? People are purposely frightened into anythng 'liberal' by the media, how does one just take a leap over these massive humps?

I hear so many complaints in so many yards of posts here but I have yet to see a reasoned out explanation of just exactly how this can happen.

You have to be serious about pitchforks and torches for that kind of sudden shift is what I believe. And thats not likely to happen as Americans are unusally complacent, which led to the whole fiasco of robber barons and all that mess, to begin with.

The political consensus has shifted far to the right. To the point where being opposed to torture is considered leftist.

they've been obviously pro-GOP now for a a long. long time.

There's been a pretty consistent definition of the Repuglicans here on this forum and how they don't represent the needs of the people. Right now they are proving that over and over again by objecting to anything that Obama wants to pass that may improve the lives of many. They scratch and claw and lie their asses off and are made fools of over and over, but that doesn't daunt them as they still pound away their message, which the media gladly carries for them. These are the people known as the 'right' these days.

Nothing about them reminds me of Obama. O is not a right winger, and anyone who claims that is just not paying attention. In his short time in office he has had a host of major accomplishments that the media pretty well refuses to discuss and even the somewhat bright are lulled into ignorance on this point. Some who were so savy about how the media maniuplated during the Bush years somehow take their word now if it is against Obama.

I'd still like to know what kind of person, or names, of who you think would be better for the country, do better than Obama is now. When was the last one that you were happy with, or as happy as anyone can be with leadership.

If you could, would you choose Carter over Clinton, or vice versa, for nostalgia's sake (we always remember the good ole days a little better than they really were, stories always get embellished to fit the needs of today) or have someone more left, who? curious.

The evidence of the failure of their 30 year tax cutting, deregulating, privatization binge was on full display and undeniable when he took office. Instead of making this case every day and turning the clock back on these failed policies, he tried to make nice with them, thereby lending credence to the same failed crap that has been foisted on us these 3 decades. Now, a party that should have been dead as a door nail is rising from the ashes and we've gotten weak and ineffective policies . Jim Hightower said it best. "The only things in the middle of the road are yellow lines and dead armadillos.

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