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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-13-07 08:43 AM
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The secret stock market. 'Dark pools' and other new-age exchanges rewrite the rules, under the radar
http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/story.aspx?guid={11EB6EC9-6D71-43C9-ADD2-59C6B9E3C5D1}

Liquidnet Holdings Inc., an alternative trading system used by institutions, has just executed a block trade of a million shares or more.

Unlike the bulk of trading in stocks, this trade was made anonymously and was executed outside of the market where retail investors and institutions meet. And unlike a trade on the floor of the New York Stock Exchange, no one will ever know who put a million shares up for sale and who just bought them.

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In a matter of months more than three dozen dark pools have taken shape, creating a new and wild frontier that is largely unregulated. And the industry is growing so fast regulators can't keep up. Moreover, some observers fear these private marketplaces could take too much trading volume from the public markets -- putting retail investors at a disadvantage.

What's certain is dark pools have radically altered the way big institutions trade. And because private trading networks are extremely profitable, an array of old-line Wall Street firms is following in the footsteps of independent startups that have carved out the industry's hottest new niche.



Never ceases to amaze me how much effort is put into making money off of basic transactions. I keep thinking of Gordon Gecko in the movie Wall Street

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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-13-07 08:46 AM
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1. And this is where bush** wants our Social Security money to go. What
does that tell you????
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-13-07 09:09 AM
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3. Roulette, anyone???
:rofl:
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-13-07 09:14 AM
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4. It's gambling allright. And the table is rigged.
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-13-07 09:04 AM
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2. When the short-sellers of AAL and UAL pre-911 come for their money, will this conceal the payoff?
These so-called alternative trading systems are propagating rapidly, are often labeled "dark pools" because of their nebulous and murky nature. Estimated to handle about 1 out 10 shares traded each day in the U.S., dark pools are meeting a need by institutions to grab or dump stocks quietly -- and anonymously. Like Liquidnet, many of them sport imaginative brand names in a nod to science fiction, such as Sigma X, VortEx and Block Alert.


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http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/story.aspx?guid={11EB6EC9-6D71-43C9-ADD2-59C6B9E3C5D1}






We have a shadow government, a shadow stock market, shadow banking....

We are truly beyond the looking glass. Nothing is as it seems.



Will someone please invite Sibel Edmonds to appear before a Congressional investigative committee, and bestow upon her unfettered immunity from government threats of prosecution if she will only tell what she knows??

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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-13-07 09:50 AM
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5. The danger here is that public trading won't react to block buys/sales & prices will be manipulated
It smells like Enron-styled accounting transactions.

These transactions will 'fly under the radar' for a period of time, and there are all kinds of ways to report them that will affect the stock prices indirectly.

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CK_John Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-13-07 10:27 AM
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6. I have always believed the Fed Reserve was trading offline since 9/11, to counter market swings. n/t
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-13-07 11:01 AM
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7. They are. Fed credit has been growing in huge amounts
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-13-07 11:07 AM
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8. Okay, the effin' trillion ton elephant in the room, people.
How many of you are vested in retirement plans through your job which play the stock market. I loathe the modern world of work, because the work you do is not valued and the corporation and business mentality of this society will suck the marrow out of your bones. They want all your waking hours and to keep the money you earned too.
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Birthmark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-14-07 08:23 AM
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9. Yup. That was the first thing I thought.
Step 1: Get all the pension and Social Security and private retirement money in the stock market.

Step 2: The BIG players pull their money out of the traditional stock markets, causing them to crash --meanwhile trading in their own little special market.

Step 3: They owe nothing for pensions, retirement funds, crash Social Security, and pick up the remnants at discount prices.

Sweet.
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-14-07 08:49 AM
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10. So where does a person save his money?
The stock market gives me the jitters. What isn't rigged anymore?

What is safe? Bonds? Money market funds? CDs? Savings accounts?

And the dollar keeps falling. Even cash does not seem safe either.

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Birthmark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-14-07 08:53 AM
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11. Bury gold in the back yard?
Beats me. I don't handle the money. It's all theoretical to me. :)
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-14-07 08:58 AM
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12. LOL!
If only I had enough money to buy gold. I'm just trying to save a few dollars for a rainy day.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-14-07 10:58 AM
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13. I might consider whip and buggy companies...
we won't be able to afford driving cars before much longer! :P

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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-14-07 03:30 PM
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14. stock market is about to go back to where "stock" got its name---horses, cattle, sheep & chickens
You put this roulette trading together with past-the-peak oil and oil supplies dwindling. My money's on wind, solar for my own home and horse breeding for a cash crop.
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-16-07 07:09 PM
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15. Are there any regulations on the types of activities that they engage in?
Or is this a 1920's free-for-all?
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 09:31 AM
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18. kick
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 09:33 AM
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19. I'd bet it's more like the Wild West.
Some sense of self-discipline but that goes out the window when a gold strike is found!

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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-16-07 07:26 PM
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16. The market is extremely efficient
And will exploit any niche left untouched.

Unfornately this is not always good for regular people.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-16-07 07:36 PM
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17. I do love those bumper stickers.
Anonymous trading would have Martha out of jail?
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 11:16 AM
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20. kick
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 11:25 AM
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21. Last para: Most dark pools owned by large financial institutions
just what me need--big time financial orgs going opaque and anonymous with their transactions. More ways to hide illegal stuff. Sounds like a true exploitive bonanza--for the already rich.
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nick303 Donating Member (379 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 05:16 PM
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22. I see a lot of hysteria caused by lack of education on this subject
When buying a large block of stock an institution does not want to show their hand. This could include mutual and pension funds. Sending a large order directly to an exchange will move the market adverseley. So these "dark" trades could actually benefit participants in mutual/pension funds as dark pools lower transaction costs.
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