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azul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 10:29 AM
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Immigration and citizenship.
Slept on it some and this is what I am thinking.

We have a two-tiered society presently in the USA, documented and un. The undocumented are an integral part of the economy and are here by the millions, by hook or by crook, and need to be better assimilated for the country's health. It is a shame and disgrace.

There needs to be better paths for citizenship, and there are jobs that need to be done in the US that we could use more help with. Some kind of service to the country for some duration seems the most fair and reasonable direction.

So I suggest military service for two years, like is already taking place, and VA medical nursing service for 3 years for those not eligible for the military. Get citizenship by serving the country in the military, or from tending to those injured thus serving. And perhaps a peace corp service also?

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CountAllVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 10:38 AM
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1. that has been the situation in the past
it was repealed some time ago. Can you imagine immigrating to the USA only to get drafted 6 mos. after given a Green Card? It isn't what many young people that have come to this country in search of a new life have in mind. It leaves a scar that never goes away.

I think this is a poor idea at best.

If it was repealed in the past, it probably won't be made law again I hope.

You might try researching something called The Dunne Act. It was an act passed after an Irish citizen immigrated to the USA during the Korean War only to get shipped back overseas to fight in Germany after being drafted. He lost a leg in the battles over there and when he came back to the USA he was denied care and help. Mr. Dunne sued the U.S. Army and won his case. He passed away not long ago.

After the Dunne Act (c. 1960 or so; JFK was the president at the time this happened) it has been illegal to draft non-citizens into the military.

Would this solve any problems by dragging this beast back? I really do not think so given the results I have seen.

:kick:

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virgogal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 10:50 AM
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2. We were fighting in Germany during The Korean War? Confusing post.
Edited on Sun Jul-18-10 10:51 AM by virgogal
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CountAllVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 10:53 AM
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3. yes we were
Edited on Sun Jul-18-10 10:53 AM by CountAllVotes
the Berlin Wall Crisis ... that was the big event. Elvis Presley was a famous person that served during the Korean War and was stationed in Wiesbadden, Germany FYI.

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virgogal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 11:01 AM
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6. The Korean War ended in 1953---The Wall wasn't built until the 60's.
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CountAllVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 11:07 AM
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9. yes, but people were being drafted at the end of that war
and their length of service was extended so they could fight in the Berlin Wall Crisis.

Uncle Sam wanted them and wanted them badly. After that was over with they offered them promotions and a unique opportunity to serve in a new mission in Indochina. Can you say Vietnam?

This is when it all began.

I happen to know someone that this happened to. :(


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virgogal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 12:13 PM
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11. Many of those Korean War vets were re-called during The Cuban Missile Crisis
and I know many that this happened to,it was my generation.
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CountAllVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 12:51 PM
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12. yes, these are the forgotten veterans
IMO.

So much for thank you for your service SIR huh?

:grr:

:kick:

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azul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 10:53 AM
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4. Past?
"According to data from the Department of Defense, more than 65,000 immigrants (non-US citizens and naturalized citizens) were serving on active duty in the US Armed Forces as of February 2008. Since September 2001, US Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) has naturalized more than 37,250 foreign-born members of the US Armed Forces and granted posthumous citizenship to 111 service members."

http://www.migrationinformation.org/USfocus/display.cfm?id=683
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CountAllVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 10:55 AM
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5. being the Dunne Act was upheld
every single one of these people are automatically citizens upon a honorable discharge.

It is sickening that they started this practice up.

That is because they don't have enough Americans that are willing to serve so it appears they are tapping new blood coming to America it seems. *sigh*

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azul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 11:04 AM
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8. I'm thinking beating the military at its own game.
Get people of conscience in there and clean the services up. And the vets should not be abandoned to poor medical attention after being injured, and could use better help.

The jobs no one in the US will do? Exactly right: the path to citizenship that is the least offensive to the slackers born here.
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SargeUNN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 11:01 AM
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7. Here is one plan I had an expert on Immigration propose
first pass the dream act. Set up agencies for the undocumented to come into and be able to get on a reasonable path to citizenship in a timely manner without forcing them out of the country. This would increase more communications with law enforcement and the undocumented that are here and not committing the crimes often sterotyped to the group in general. It also makes it easier for them to turn in those who are here to commit the crimes we claim to be worried about, thereby freeing law enforcement from having to deal with the ones who are undocumented and not otherwise breaking any law, so then they can go after serious criminals. The key of course, is to make the system more functional and not have these long and crazy time periods with slow and often long time periods where it just stalls out.
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azul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 11:11 AM
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10. Sounds rational and maybe viable,
if only this emotional hot-potato wasn't busy being punted downfield for political purposes.
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