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Amerigo Vespucci Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 01:49 PM
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Mike Pence (R-IN) Explains Why America Can Afford Tax Cuts For The Rich But Not Jobless Aid
Mike Pence Explains Why America Can Afford Tax Cuts For The Rich But Not Jobless Aid

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/07/18/mike-pence-explains-why-a_n_650374.html



The unsavory task of explaining why America apparently can't afford to help the unemployed but can afford tax cuts for the rich fell to Rep. Mike Pence (R-Ind.) on Sunday.

"Republicans, me included, have supported numerous extensions of unemployment benefits and we're anxious to do so again," the Indiana Republican told interviewer Chris Wallace on "Fox News Sunday." "The deficit this year is a trillion dollars for the second year in a row ... The American people have had it with runaway federal spending, deficits and debt, and they want to see men and women in Washington, D.C. make the hard choices."

Polls released last week showed that despite anxiety about spending, registered voters actually favor helping the unemployed even if it adds to the deficit.

Nevertheless, extended unemployment benefits for the long-term jobless lapsed at the beginning of June because Republicans in the Senate, joined by Nebraska Democrat Ben Nelson, insisted that the $33 billion cost of reauthorizing the benefits not be added to the deficit (though some deficit hawks actually don't consider stiffing the jobless a smart way to reduce the deficit to begin with). Fox's Wallace said he understood the Republicans' argument that the unemployment benefits be "paid for" -- but why not also "pay for" a reauthorization of the tax cuts, which will cost $678 billion?

"The reality is that as you study -- when President Kennedy cut marginal tax rates, when Ronald Reagan cut marginal tax rates, when President Bush imposed those tax cuts, they actually generated economic growth, they expand the economy, they expand tax revenue," Pence said. "The point is we've got to get this economy moving again and we can't go back to the tax-and-spend policies of the Democrats or the tax-cut-and-spend policies of the prior administration."
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muntrv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 01:51 PM
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1. You're right, Pence! I've had it with runaway federal spending
in Iraq and Afghanistan! Pull out NOW!
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Angry Dragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 01:53 PM
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2. So he admitted that bush policy
was garbage........tax-cut-and-spend policies of the prior administration.

so we add tax of $678 billion and spend only $33 billion...look at the savings to the deficit
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 02:35 PM
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3. The Bush tax cuts generated economic growth?
Then why do we have to get this economy moving again? Shouldn't it still be booming right now, thanks to all those Bush tax cuts. They're still in effect, you know. And what about all that expanded tax revenue? Seems I recall the national debt almost doubled during the GWB years that Pence wants to repeat.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 02:50 PM
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4. Actually, low tax rates on the very rich precede booms that turn into awful busts.
The lowest tax rate was during the 1920s when it was at one point, 25%. We know what happened next. Yes it was low during the Reagan years. We got a recession under Bush I. He had so many problems that he had to raise taxes -- and was not re-elected.

Then Bush lowered taxes -- and we got a boom. The boom was mostly based on middle class consumers borrowing from the rich -- so that went bust too. And here we are.

Low top marginal tax rates do cause booms, but the booms lead to busts. How about some good, healthy growth that isn't a boom and doesn't lead to a bust? That's what a sensible tax policy can result in.
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 03:42 PM
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5. The top marginal rate got down to 24% in 1929.
Edited on Sun Jul-18-10 04:01 PM by Lasher
And it was 7% in 1913 thru 1915. Over the past century the highest was in 1952 - 1953, at 92%.

The top marginal rate was not low during any of the Reagan years except for the last two. Saint Ronnie initially lowered the rate from 70% to 50%, where it stayed until the last two years of his presidency. It was further reduced to 38.5% in 1987 and 28% in 1988.

Junior did lower the top rate to 35%. But there wasn't anything like an actual boom. The S&P 500, for example, closed at 1,530.23 on May 30, 2007 to set its first all-time closing high in more than seven years. And that's not adjusted for inflation. In the end, George W. Bush would preside over a net loss in the S&P 500, the worst performance by far in the history of the index.



There was sustained prosperity during Clinton's tenure, when the top marginal rate was increased from 31% to 39.6%, where it would remain until the disastrous Bush years. Which brings skepticism on your claim that lowering top marginal rates leads to even temporary prosperity for anyone except the most prosperous among us.

http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxfacts/displayafact.cfm?Docid=213
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socialist_n_TN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 04:09 PM
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6. There was VERY little net jobs gains under
W and his "trickle down" tax cuts either. For the AVERAGE American this kind of voodoo economics JUST DOESN'T WORK!
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 05:02 PM
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10. Closing The Book On The Bush Legacy
Under Clinton, the median income increased 14 per cent. Under Bush it declined 4.2 per cent.

Under Clinton the total number of Americans in poverty declined 16.9 per cent; under Bush it increased 26.1 per cent.

Under Clinton the number of children in poverty declined 24.2 per cent; under Bush it increased by 21.4 per cent.

Under Clinton, the number of Americans without health insurance, remained essentially even (down six-tenths of one per cent); under Bush it increased by 20.6 per cent.

Under Reagan, the median income grew, in contrast to both Bush the younger and Bush the elder. (The median income declined 3.2 per cent during the elder Bush's single term.) When Reagan was done, the median income stood at $47,614 (again in constant 2008 dollars), 8.1 per cent higher than when Jimmy Carter left office in 1980.

But despite that income growth, both overall and childhood poverty were higher when Reagan rode off into the sunset than when he arrived. The number of poor Americans increased from 29.3 million in 1980 to 31.7 million in 1988, an increase of 8.4 per cent. The number of children in poverty trended up from 11.5 million when Carter left to 12.5 million when Reagan stepped down, a comparable increase of 7.9 per cent. The total share of Americans in poverty didn't change over Reagan's eight years (at 13 per cent), but the share of children in poverty actually increased (from 18.3 to 19.5 per cent) despite the median income gains.

The fact that the economy performed significantly better for average families under Clinton than under the elder or younger Bush or Ronald Reagan doesn't conclusively answer how the country should proceed now. Obama isn't replicating the Clinton economic strategy (which increased federal spending in areas like education and research much more modestly, and placed greater emphasis on deficit reduction-to the point of increasing taxes in his first term). Nor has anyone suggested that it would make sense to reprise that approach in today's conditions. But at the least, the wretched two-term record compiled by the younger Bush on income, poverty and access to health care should compel Republicans to answer a straightforward question: if tax cuts are truly the best means to stimulate broadly shared prosperity, why did the Bush years yield such disastrous results for American families on these core measures of economic well being?

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2009/09/closing-the-book-on-the-bush-legacy/26402/
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-10 02:16 AM
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13. Of course, in addition to a stupid tax policy, we increased
imports and outsourcing. We bled jobs. We were fooled by propaganda that told us that we didn't need the lost jobs because they were beneath us anyway. Nonsense. We do need the jobs.
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-10 04:06 AM
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14. And in this aspect neither Clinton nor Obama are blameless.
Obama has already been pushing a new free trade agreement with South Korea.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-10 08:48 PM
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18. Yes. That is just the stupidest idea ever, ever, ever.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-10 02:13 AM
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12. The Bush era boom took place in the housing market, less on Wall Street.
It was still a boom. Lower taxes on the very rich invariably lead to economic problems. Happens over and over.
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-10 04:51 AM
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16. The housing bubble was a product of historically low interest rates & low lending standards.
These conditions existed in other countries that had housing bubbles at generally the same time.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-10 08:47 PM
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17. Actually, there were a lot of investors looking for a quick buck.
They bought houses and turned them over, pushing up housing prices every time they churned a house. On the other end, the mortgage companies were also churning the mortgages. Too much capital in the investing class excites the greedy, and swindles abound. Happened in the 1920s also. In fact, that is the period when term Ponzi scheme was coined. When the tax rates on the wealthy are very low, and the wealthy are looking for easy ways to safeguard and increase the amount of their money, they get careless. If you recall, most of Bernie Madoff's suckers were fairly well-to-do people, from the class that should be required to pay higher taxes. That is if we want to have a healthy economy for most people and not just for an elite few.
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 04:22 PM
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7. These taxcuts did not create jobs under Bush. We learned at
that times that even Taxcuts can reach the pooint of diminishing
returns. J. Immelt, GE, Business is going to hire when they
have a reason to believe or concrete evidence there will be
buyers for their products. We will take the taxcuts, but
we are not going to hire or expand unless there is a market
for the goods.

That top 2% include the largest companies and transnationals.
The jobs that they added in last administration were overseas.
Use our taxpayer money to send jobs overseas . This happened
under Pence's watch. The Republicans were in charge froom
2000 through 2007. Finished sending practically all our
mfg jobs overseas. Pence will continue --Free Trader.
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reformist2 Donating Member (998 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 04:42 PM
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8. Let the Repugs keep talking like this...

They're going to hang themselves on this issue. Their position would be laughable if it weren't actually obstructing unemployment benefit extensions.
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LatteLibertine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 05:00 PM
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9. I can offer a better explanation
Edited on Sun Jul-18-10 05:04 PM by LatteLibertine
http://sociology.ucsc.edu/whorulesamerica/power/wealth.html

20% of our pop has 85% of our wealth, and 20% has 61% of all income.

They'd ignore us completely if it wasn't for the power of the our vote.

Always get out and vote.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 05:06 PM
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11. Obama needs to remind these fuckers he put the wars INTO his budget
chickenshit bu$h* did no such thing
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-10 04:22 AM
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15. I will pray that there really IS a hell
what a skin sack! sub animal
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