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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-10 08:15 PM
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Rachel is calling out the Obama administration for acting too quickly (and just
relying on Fox news for input) regarding Van Jones, Acorn and Sherrod. She's right. The NAACP has admitted they rushed to judgment and overreacted without knowing the entire story and apologized, I hope the administration will do the same.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-10 08:17 PM
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1. K & R
The brightest light on TV today; her show makes having a TV worth while.
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-10 08:23 PM
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4. I second that
For her
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-10 11:39 PM
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44. VIDEO HERE:
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-10 08:18 PM
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2. I'm only watching her...
The rest can't even touch her...
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-10 08:22 PM
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3. Agree. She's in a class by herself -- heads above the rest. Sui generis. nt
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spiritual_gunfighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-10 12:03 AM
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46. Nope nobody
I have gotten to the point where Rachel is the only show I watch on MSNBC. I am tired of Keith's show. Rachel rules!
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-10 08:24 PM
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5. She's doing an AWFUL LOT more than that.
Your post does her great reporting a disservice - sorry to say. This goes far beyond the administration being snookered. You probably realize that now if you've been watching Rachel's continuing coverage. This is a stunning episode demonstrating exactly why Faux "News" cannot be used as a news source ever again.
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jeffrey_X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-10 08:31 PM
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11. She is dissecting this travesty like a surgeon.
thank you Rachel.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-10 08:33 PM
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15. My jaw was on the floor for 30 minutes
Now THAT's GREAT REPORTING!
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-10 08:39 PM
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21. She always does. Every show today has covered this, but no one laid it out like
Rachel. She always brings clarity.
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jeffrey_X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-10 10:55 PM
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42. yes. clarity. clear and concise clarity.
:hifive:
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WorseBeforeBetter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-10 08:33 PM
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14. Most of us learned over 10 years ago that FUX cannot be trusted.
Edited on Tue Jul-20-10 08:34 PM by WorseBeforeBetter
I'm baffled as to why others haven't caught up, especially the NAACP!
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-10 08:36 PM
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18. Sucks that the NAACP fell for the BS in this case
They felt like they had to make a statement on this and did it without fully investigating.
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WorseBeforeBetter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-10 08:45 PM
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25. Their statement could have been that they're analyzing the full tape...
and will make an official statement once done. I understand the 24/7 news cycle, but this is RIDICULOUS. Did they learn nothing from Van Jones and ACORN?
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-10 08:56 PM
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32. Vilsack made the decision.
The NAACP has asked him to reinstate her. From their statement:

According to the USDA, Sherrod’s statements prompted her dismissal. While we understand why Secretary Vilsack believes this false controversy will impede her ability to function in the role, we urge him to reconsider.


I posted the full statement Here

He can make it right now. We'll see what happens.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-10 08:59 PM
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35. Well yes, the NAACP can only publish statements, they obviously didn't fire her
...but they initially made it easy for Vilsac to pull the trigger (my point).

Of course now that he knows the truth he better fucking reinstate her post haste - I don't want to here any fucking political 'calculations' from him.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-10 09:41 PM
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37. Apparently he doesn't think she can do a good job
because of the controversy. You may be right about the NAACP, they share the blame, but they have apologized and tried to set the record straight. Vilsack, otoh, even though he now has the facts, thinks that she should not be rehired anyhow 'because of the controversy'. She had nothing to do with the controversy. He and the NAACP are responsible for not checking the source and jumping to conclusions.

I hope someone sets HIM straight now, or it is he who will not be able to do his job as he will have lost whatever credibility he has.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-10 09:53 PM
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38. Vilsack is dead to me if he doesn't fix this
Edited on Tue Jul-20-10 09:54 PM by HughMoran
I'll also be angry with Obama if he doesn't put his foot down and fix this tomorrow. I expect he will, but as is typical with Obama, he will not be forced into making a hasty decision.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-10 11:00 PM
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43. Good, Vilsack will be dead to a lot of people if he fails
to reinstate her.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-10 08:37 PM
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19. My post was merely to give folks a heads up to watch if they could tune in --
posted it at the very beginning of her segment, before she got into the meat of it. :)

You're right about Fox - and that came across loud and clear.


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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-10 08:38 PM
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20. Was she actually calling out the "Obama administration," Hugh?
'Cause that sort of trifling, half-assed stuff doesn't sound like the kind of thing that Rachel is famous for.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-10 08:43 PM
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23. I was the one who posted the OP -- and it was just a quick 'heads up' so people
could tune in. The reason I said it that way was because Rachel is the only one covering this who even mentioned that this isn't the first time the WH has fallen for Fox's crap. I'm the one who's trifling and half-assed. Not Rachel.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-10 08:45 PM
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24. It wasn't the general impression I got while my jaw was on the floor
Great reporting - yes - 'calling out the administration' - ummm, that would be a bit of personal opining stuck in there. The real culprits here are Fox "News", Andrew Breitbart, the NAACP & Vilsac. The WH had no direct involvement in this as far as I can tell.
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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-10 08:50 PM
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28. Well, there is some discussion that someone in the White House called for her to resign
I can totally understand why some would be incensed by this.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-10 08:53 PM
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30. Read this before you form an opinion
Edited on Tue Jul-20-10 08:54 PM by HughMoran
"Point of Clarification
David Kurtz | July 20, 2010, 5:11PM

There's been some confusion today over one aspect of this Breitbart/USDA story that I want to try to clear up.

Shirley Sherrod, the USDA official forced out, did an on camera interview with CNN at midday. In the interview, Sherrod described the pressure she came under yesterday from within the USDA to resign her post in light of the Breitbart video. Shortly after that, the Washington Post had a write-up of the interview in which they quote Sherrod as saying, "I got three calls from the White House. At one point they asked me to pull over to the side of the road and do it because you are going to be on Glenn Beck tonight."

Now that purported declaration -- that she got three calls from the White House demanding her resignation -- seems off to anyone who follows these things. Sherrod is a low-level official. The White House wouldn't need to get involved so directly and rarely ever wants to. Why get involved directly in a mess that you can leave to a cabinet department to handle? So if Sherrod's account of what happened yesterday is off, then how reliable is her account of the speech she gave back in March?

But here's the thing: We can't find any evidence she actually said that, either in the video or in CNN's transcript. What she did say, our review of the video shows, was: "I had at least three calls telling me the White House wanted me to resign."

That's very, very different.

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2010/07/point_of_clarification_1.php?ref=fpblg
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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-10 10:01 PM
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41. Thanks for that Hugh. That does make a big difference
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-10 06:25 AM
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48. Even her true words bother me.
Because if the white house did pressure the USDA, we have a problem with the wh staff
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-10 08:54 PM
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31. I heard that the WH wasn't aware of it until they were notified after the fact
by Vilsack.

I was just trying to get the point across that Rachel was presenting the previous instances in which the administration/government/WH rushed to judgment.

I swear, I'm never going to post a thread again. Others can express themselves more clearly, so I'll leave it up to them.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-10 08:56 PM
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34. It's fine - many people have assumed the same anyway
...it's as good a place as any to thrash this issue out - I don't see too much conflict here. :hug:
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-10 12:06 AM
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47. You did fine, gately. That is why you got so much opposition.
Do not give up posting OPs. We don't let message control control us. ;)
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-10 08:41 PM
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22. Rachel did an AMAZING job calling out Faux's lies.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-10 08:49 PM
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27. I was getting emotional - she laid out the stunning hypocrisy of Faux slamming her on the one hand
...then 'blaming' the WH for overacting and firing someone who may have been railroaded.

NEITHER statement from FAUX was true!!
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-10 08:51 PM
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29. I love that she went after this administration too. They deserve it!
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liberalmuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-10 08:24 PM
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7. Fox "News" = "Whitey"...
If they can make a person of color "appear" to have made a racist statement, then that person's White House career is over. They are the new Klan. Their editors are the new lynch mob.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-10 08:25 PM
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8. it will be interesting
to see how this admin. handles making an appropriate apology, when one is obviously due.

It goes without saying that the last admin. never apologized for anything.
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earthside Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-10 08:30 PM
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9. She nailed Obama and Vilsack.
Really, this is so bad, that Pres. Obama and Sec. Vilsack should both publicly apologize to Ms. Sherrod and re-instate her.

Period.

And then Pres. Obama should call for a boycott of Fox 'News' and publicly condemn Breitbart and his ilk.
(But we all know he won't.)
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-10 08:48 PM
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26. I was thinking the next time Fox starts beating a drum and the administration
is asked about it (or criticized for not acting immediately) that the response should be "We've learned the hard way that Fox News only presents less-than-factual "reports" that further their agenda, so we won't be making a statement until we learn all the facts.
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-10 08:30 PM
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10. She is amazing...as usual. n/t
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liberalmuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-10 08:31 PM
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12. If you're a person of color...
I'm starting to see that you don't really have that much of a secure job in this administration, especially if the white conservative establishment decides you need to go.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-10 08:32 PM
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13. She's right
Obama needs to speak publicly on this one.
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-10 08:34 PM
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16. K and R (nt)
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-10 08:34 PM
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17. it sadly shows the power of the faux lying news organization
the administration should treat mr beck like he has the fucking plague...ignore his existence
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-10 08:56 PM
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33. While I love that Rachel reported this -- Fixed News must be
Feeling they've got a good dog on a leash vis a vis this admin.

They said 'Sit!!' and the admin obeyed.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-10 09:56 PM
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39. We know you despise her. Nt
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democracy1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-10 11:41 PM
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45. Remember ACORN !
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-10 06:26 AM
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49. What you said!
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DirkGently Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-10 09:26 AM
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50. Rachel nailed it. Again. nt
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MyNameGoesHere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-10 09:28 AM
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51. My President and his Admin seem keen to jump through hoops
for the opposition. I am not sure why.
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