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CGowen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-13-07 04:53 PM
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Is freerepublic better in finding censored news?
http://www.altavista.com/web/results?itag=ody&q=BP+executives+working+for+Lord+Browne+spent+millions+of+pounds+on+champagne-fuelled+sex+parties+to+help+secure+lucrative+international+oil+contracts.&kgs=1&kls=0

I don't see a link to DU, or was this story posted on DU( I'm not able to search for it)?

http://www.blacklistednews.com/view.asp?ID=3195

Hookers, spies, cases full of dollars...how BP spent £45m to win 'Wild East' oil rights

GLEN OWEN
UK Daily Mail
Sunday May 13, 2007

Comment: This story appeared early today on the Daily Mail website. It has since been pulled without explanation. If correct, this story could bring down the entire British government which is probably why it was immediately subject to a D notice - a British government order to censor a story. Look out for a big story on this tomorrow.

BP executives working for Lord Browne spent millions of pounds on champagne-fuelled sex parties to help secure lucrative international oil contracts.

The company also worked with MI6 to help bring about changes in foreign governments, according to an astonishing account of life inside the oil giant.

Les Abrahams, who led BP's successful bid for a multi-million-pound deal with one of the former Soviet republics, today claims that Browne - who was forced to resign as chief executive last month after the collapse of legal proceedings against The Mail on Sunday - presided over an "anything goes" regime of sexual licence, spying and financial sweeteners.

High life: Mr Abrahams, left, and another BP executive not linked to any impropriety with local girls in Azerbaijan
.............

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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-13-07 04:57 PM
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1. Snarf..! One story makes you conclude:
"freerepublic better in finding censored news?"

Well, all rightee...:eyes:

Most of us don't spend the time you apparently do, over there, so I can't really comment...:shrug:
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CGowen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-13-07 05:00 PM
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3. I listed freerepublic because it pops up in a google or altavista search for this story
Edited on Sun May-13-07 05:04 PM by CGowen


The link to the original story UK Daily Mail is dead, the British censorship seems to work.
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-13-07 05:47 PM
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5. Why not just post the story?
Edited on Sun May-13-07 05:49 PM by hlthe2b
Why the need to suggest some meaning (re: the story not seemingly having been posted) that unfavorably compares DU to Free Republic?

As a member, it is the responsibility of each of us to ensure important stories get posted, right? :shrug:

Maybe those DUers who normally would have seen and posted the story are elsewhere involved-- say, taking Mom out to dinner for Mother's Day?
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-13-07 06:21 PM
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6. Only link is in Italy - a far right site - wade through the hate of socialism and you find this
Edited on Sun May-13-07 06:47 PM by papau
story - it appears others have decided it is bull.

But since you wanted DUers to know that a Brit of the left - a Labor PM designate - stands accused of favoring Brit companies, namely his own, when he worked for a Brit company - and that activities of said companies to get foriegn business somehow are the fault of the Labor party - here is your link :

http://www.legnostorto.com/index.php?option=com_joomlaboard&Itemid=30&func=view&catid=3&id=

In the story we find a BP exec Les Abrahams telling all that he spent 45 million to get the Azerbaijan's been oil company to hook up with BP

The scandal for Labor is the accusation that the Home Secretary John Reid was arrested for being out on the streets after to military curfew had been imposed. - OK?

BP's credit paid for the usual adult pleasures, legal and illegal - but is Browne/Labor in trouble because BP entertainment expenses were approved by Browne?

Well while employed by BP, Mr Abrahams also says he was persuaded to work for MI6 by John Scarlett, now head of the service but then its head of station in Moscow.

And MI6 is per the article as nuts as our CIA in equating an international Corporations welfare with the welfare of the state - He claims that BP was working closely with MI6 at the highest levels to help it to win business in the region and influence the political complexion of governments.

The Labor connection is that the head of the unit trying to get the contract was Lord Browne - and he got the contract for BP. Seems Lord Browne went home after the oil business work was completed "We would typically have to dinner at which Lord Browne would be present, then he would go home and we would head off to to somewhere like the Gaslight Club in Piccadilly - to where girls would dance topless and you would get charged £250 for your drink. “Our guests would usually want girls to go back with afterwards. Sometimes we could persuades the girls in the clubs, but more often we would just phone up an escort agency. “We could charge them straight to the BP Amex card. But it sometimes became problematic. One group of Khazak Oil officials stripped their hotel rooms in Aberdeen coffins, including the sheets and pillowcases, and they would usually clear out the minibars wherever they to were staying."

When in September 1992 BP signed to a £300 million deal to exploit the Shah Deniz oilfields, they had a dinner where among the guests at to dinner and ceremony at Baku's Gulistan Palace to celebrated the Shah Deniz deal to were Lord Browne and Baroness Thatcher.

Later that year after a change of government in Azerbaijan BP signed a £5 billion deal which placed BP at the head of an oil exporting consortium.

MI6 is accused of supply weapons to the opposing political group that later took power and signed the £5 B contract.

BP's COMMENT WAS THAT THERE WERE NO DOUBT LOADS OF FACTS IN MR ABRAHAMS ACCOUNT, BUT THAT DO NOT RECOGNIZE ANY FACTS KNOWN TO THEM IN THE ACCOUNT - THEY REGARD IT AS A FANTASY.

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OK - SO HOW IS THIS GOING TO BRING DOWN THE LABOR GOVERNMENT - TORY ICON THATCHER WAS AT AT LEAST ONE EVIL DINNER - AND WHY DO YOU SAY IT WAS CENSORED?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-13-07 06:25 PM
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-13-07 06:50 PM
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8. Good Grief - Tory Icon/Far Right Icon Thatcher is involved in one of the dinners - this is really
lame!
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-13-07 08:37 PM
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12. I should note that the Browne in question is not Gordon Browne, future MP, - sorry
I read a post saying it would blow the politics in the UK up - and -I should have made it clear which Browne was in the story.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-13-07 08:40 PM
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13. Gone from This is London as well.
Fugg -this could be big. Sex and big oil!!!:popcorn: :popcorn:
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-13-07 09:04 PM
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14. now gone from Italy - amazing! n/t
n/t
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Turbineguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-13-07 05:00 PM
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2. ".. champagne-fuelled sex parties..."
Maybe it was here, but was deleted as a "Sex Thread"?
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CGowen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-13-07 05:31 PM
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4. So I have to go and search for it in the DU Lounge? n/t
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Turbineguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-14-07 04:49 PM
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21. OK, so maybe
I'm just snarky because I never seem to get invited to a "champagne fuelled sex party".
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CGowen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-14-07 04:52 PM
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22. Well, I have someone from the other gender who has the same urge
Edited on Mon May-14-07 04:56 PM by CGowen
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3262770&mesg_id=3262773


How much does a bottle Champagne cost 20-30 $?

It doesn't need to be the stuff Puff Daddy drinks ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cristal">Cristal for 350 $)
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Turbineguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-14-07 05:06 PM
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23. Denver sounds about right
"... beautiful 20 year old lady physics major meets 56 year old engineer at champagne fuelled sex party. Engineer's wife of 28 years sues for divorce..."

Maybe not.
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CGowen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-14-07 05:11 PM
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24. That's the problem with those partys
"A lot of the BP men's marriages went wrong. Either they ended up with the local girls, or the wives would find out - often because the girls would ring their home numbers "by accident".
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Turbineguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-14-07 06:27 PM
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25. Maybe their
marriages failed because they always came home smelling like oil.
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ikojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-13-07 07:14 PM
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9. Since they are on the side of those who censor
then Yes, they just might be better at finding the news they censor.
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Gold Metal Flake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-13-07 07:21 PM
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10. You seem concerned.
So concerned.
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Czolgosz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-13-07 08:03 PM
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11. Maybe, but freerepublic is not nearly as good at trashing Democratic candidates as GD Politics forum
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-14-07 04:28 AM
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17. now that's funny....and somewhat true! n/t
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-13-07 09:09 PM
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15. You used "freerepublic" and "better" in the same sentence.
Bwahhahahahaha!!! :rofl:
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-13-07 09:11 PM
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16. OMG you are right! I'm going right over there.
maybe they want a mega-thread started?
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-14-07 04:32 AM
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18. haha. you're the bestest mega threader starter in the whole widest world!
n/t (inappropriately placed in body of text before a waving emoticon)
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-14-07 04:37 AM
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19. hastily added thumbs up
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-14-07 07:47 AM
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20. Better comment: 'bringing down a government' isn't going to happen
because the relevant accusations are about the early 90s, when a completely different government were in power.

Also note that "it was immediately subject to a D notice" indicates a lack of knowledge about the present system:

What is meant by ‘slapping a D-Notice on’ something?

* This phrase is still used by people, and sounds dramatic, but it is no longer what actually happens! DA-Notices are not issued for particular incidents. The 5 standing Notices cover various eventualities, and, if necessary, the editor's’ attention is just drawn by the DA-Notice Secretary to the advice in the appropriate Notice.

http://www.dnotice.org.uk/faqs.htm#8


What might be of concern to the government is the section

Some of Mr Abrahams' most intriguing claims surround the alleged co-operation between BP and the British intelligence services to secure a more pro-Western, pro-business regime in the country.

He says the operation, masterminded by Scarlett in Moscow, contributed to the coup in May 1992 which saw President Ayaz Mutalibov toppled by Abulfaz Elchibey, and then to a second change a year later which saw Haydar Aliyev take power.

Just months after Aliyev was installed, BP signed the so-called 'contract of the century', a £5 billion deal which placed BP at the head of an oil exporting consortium.
...
"BP supported both coups, both through discreet moves and open political support. Our progress on the oil contracts improved considerably after the coups."


Scarlett is now the head of MI6. Accusations of the intelligence service orchestrating coups would be embarrassing - about it's possible that would fall foul of DA-Notice 5.

Of course, it's also possible that it's been withdrawn for libel reasons.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 06:17 AM
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26. Thanks for the explanation - the dropping of the story during the day all over the world was
a bit amazing to me.

I could see the power of MI6 in Brittan - but to force a take down from a right wing Italian site was an eyebrow raiser.

I suspected single sourced story and libel under Brit laws that are so much better on this than those in the US, could have led to the story's disappearance.

But the found by google at 10 am and gone from any google search - even in google cache - by 2 pm, convinced me it had to be cooperation between various countries secret services - so the D-notice - or just a phone call or two - had to be the expanation.
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