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stopbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 12:19 AM
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Oliver Stone - Asshat
This moran still defends the fictions of his JFK film like they were facts, so it's no wonder he just stepped in a big pile of doo-doo on the Holocaust.

Oliver Stone steps in it with Holocaust, media conspiracy remarks
July 26, 2010 | 7:53 pm

Has Oliver Stone not been paying any attention to Mel Gibson's years-long watch-your-mouth drama?

If nothing else, Stone may have learned Monday that just because you speak behind a paid-content wall, it doesn't mean the world can't hear you. Especially if your comments skew anti-Semitic -- a topic known to fuel the political fire.

Sitting down with the Sunday Times of London in an interview to promote his new documentary "South of the Border," Hollywood's master of conspiracy theories lobbed another one out there about the depiction of the Holocaust -- though in a statement Monday he backtracked on what he'd said and apologized.

After remarking in the interview that “Hitler did far more damage to the Russians than the Jewish people, 25 or 30 ,” Stone went into conspiracy mode with the assertion that "Jewish domination of the media" in the U.S. was to blame for Holocaust deaths getting a bigger spotlight than the millions of deaths that occurred in Russia in World War II.

The rest of the quote suggested that, in addition, U.S. foreign policy in general had been messed up by Jews both foreign and domestic: “There’s a major lobby in the United States," Stone said. "They are hard workers. They stay on top of every comment, the most powerful lobby in Washington. Israel has up United States foreign policy for years.”

Stone responded Monday with a statement: "In trying to make a broader historical point about the range of atrocities the Germans committed against many people, I made a clumsy association about the Holocaust, for which I am sorry and I regret. Jews obviously do not control media or any other industry. The fact ...
... that the Holocaust is still a very important, vivid and current matter today is, in fact, a great credit to the very hard work of a broad coalition of people committed to the remembrance of this atrocity -- and it was an atrocity."

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/gossip/2010/07/oliver-stone-anti-semitic-jewish-domination-of-the-media-hitler.html
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 12:31 AM
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1. Yep.
:thumbsup:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 12:35 AM
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 12:37 AM
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3. Wow. "They"
:tinfoilhat:

Are "They" listening right now?
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 01:10 AM
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6. Probably not. I'm one of them, and I don't give a fuck.
Edited on Tue Jul-27-10 01:10 AM by Jim Sagle
:boring:
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 12:50 AM
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4. "This moran still defends the fictions of his JFK film like they were facts"
Well if you know the facts, please do share. I was hoping one would rise and let the antiseptic daylight touch this worm hole.
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greyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 12:55 AM
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5. Can you accept t he possibility of dozens upon dozens of substantial errors in the film? nt
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 08:29 AM
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10. do you buy the Warren Commission crap?
Stone did a lot to awaken people to the BS they spewed. Whose pile of poop is higher? Do we care who killed out President, or shall we move along and see the nothing that we're allowed to see?

Do you remember the opening clip of his film?
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stopbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 11:57 AM
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14. Read Bugliosi's book on the subject, then get back to me.
As far as Stone's film, it has the distinction of weaving together CONTRADICTORY CT's coupled with absolute fictions to make its "point."

I know you won't bother, but you can read all about the "artistic license" Stone took here: http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/jfkmovie.htm

BTW - you do know that Stone called his film " an alternative myth to compete with the official myth" of the JFK killing, do you not? The man himself called it a myth, yet you think it's an accurate portrayal of history.

Amazing.
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greyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 03:35 PM
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22. Your reply is a bad sign. nt
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 04:15 AM
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7. There's a very famous misspelling in there.
The "Get a brain morans" one.

I don't have the picture to post, maybe someone else will oblige.

I'm just saying.
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 07:52 AM
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9. There's a good chance it's an INTENTIONAL misspelling.
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stopbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 11:59 AM
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15. You'd think that posters at DU would get that by now.
What's it been? 8 years or so of morans?
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 04:23 AM
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8. Jon Stewart controls the media!!!!11!!
:bounce:

Now where's my godd*%$# Fuc*&ing blowjob! I Fu*&king deserve a fu*king blowjob RIGHT FUC*ING NOW GOD FUC*KING DAMMIT!!!!!!
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 09:04 AM
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13. You and that damned jacuzzi.
:D
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 12:35 PM
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20. Sure, every man feels the same way about their hoo-ha doodle,
but they have the common decency to keep it to themselves.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 08:47 AM
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11. Oliver Stone, Patriot
With his film, "JFK," Oliver Stone stood up to the powers-that-be, practically alone. The nation's corporate media were unified in opposition to him:



Who Killed JFK?

The Media Whitewash


By Carl Oglesby
Lies Of Our Times
September, 1991

EXCERPT...

THE IGNORANT CRITICS

The first out of his corner was Jon Margolis, a syndicated Chicago Tribune columnist who assured his readers in May, when Stone had barely begun filming in Dallas, that JFK would prove "an insult to the intelligence" and "decency" ("JFK Movie and Book Attempt to Rewrite History," May 14, p. 19). Margolis had not seen one page of the first-draft screenplay (now in its sixth draft), but even so he felt qualified to warn his readers that Stone was making not just a bad movie but an evil one. "There is a point," Margolis fumed, "at which intellectual myopia becomes morally repugnant. Mr Stone's new movie proves that he has passed that point. But then so has Time-Warner and so will anyone who pays American money to see the film."

What bothered Margolis so much about JFK is that it is based on Garrison, whom Margolis described as "bizarre" for having "in 1969 (1967 actually) claimed that the assassination of President Kennedy was a conspiracy by some officials of the Central Intelligence Agency."

Since Margolis and other critics of the JFK project are getting their backs up about facts, it is important to note here that this is not at all what Garrison said. In two books and countless interviews, Garrison has argued that the most likely incubator of an anti-JFK conspiracy was the cesspool of Mafia hit men assembled by the CIA in its now-infamous Operation Mongoose, its JFK-era program to murder Fidel Castro.

But Garrison also rejects the theory that the Mafia did it by itself, a theory promoted mainly by G. Robert Blakey, chief counsel of the House Assassinations Committee (HAC) of 1978 and co-author (with HAC writer Richard Billings) of The Plot to Kill the President (New York: Times Books, 1981). "If the Mafia did it," Garrison told LOOT, "why did the government so hastily abandon the investigation? Why did it become so eagerly the chief artist of the cover-up?"

More important, Garrison's investigation of Oswald established that this presumed leftwing loner was associated in the period just before the assassination with three individuals who had clear ties to the CIA and its anti-Castro operations, namely, Clay Shaw, David Ferrie, and Guy Banister.

CONTINUED...

http://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/JFKloot.html



As a private citizen, I have grown to understand the vital roles the news media, modern communications and public relations play in advancing democracy. That is why I appreciate Oliver Stone. He was willing to create a "counter-myth" to the Big Lie that is the Warren Commission report. For that, the nation's "mainstream press" vilified him and continue to smear his name. Remember, the owners of the corporate press are the same gang of liars who sold America the idea that Saddam had WMDs ready to attack and had somehow supported 9-11 and that invading and occupying Afghanistan for a decade made strategic sense.

PS: Stone said he was wrong when he made a comparison between The Holocaust and what the Soviets endured in World War II and apologized. Based on his works and public statements, I believe, in his heart, Stone considers every death in war a tragedy of infinite proportion.
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 09:02 AM
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12. We were warned by Genral Eisenhower
and Stone isn't the only one who's been intimidated.

There are Philp Agee types, and Eugene Haussenfus (sp?) stories that must be aching to be told. Stone, and those of his ilk, are the only ones brave enough to recount these kinds of stories. Odd that the Democratic party is not to be ridiculed here, but it's popular sentiment that Stone is an asshat?
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crazyjoe Donating Member (921 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 12:03 PM
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16. first Helen, now Oliver. Some liberals should learn when to keep thier mouths shut.
this does not help.
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stopbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 12:12 PM
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18. It must be nice to be on a first-name basis with these famous people.
:shrug:
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 12:04 PM
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17. An already lengthy thread on this very topic here:
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lame54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 12:18 PM
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19. Artistically it is one of the best movies ever made...
and is compelling as hell
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 12:41 PM
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21. no, he doesn't defend them like they were facts
watch JFK with the Director's Commentary and it's clear that these are speculations on his part. He concedes he doesn't know if it happened like in the movie. He discusses his evidence at length and makes no misrepresentations about it.

I accept his apology about the Holocaust comments. Others may not.
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