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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 09:42 AM
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Obama and Duncan to defend education reforms in spite of opposition.
President Obama to defend education plan


The Race to the Top reform program have been criticized for promoting popular but unproven methods in public education. AP

President Barack Obama and Education Secretary Arne Duncan will deliver major speeches this week on their $4.35 billion Race to the Top school reform program, pushing back against complaints that it promotes unproven methods and ignores long-standing inequities in public education.

Speaking at the National Press Club on Tuesday, Duncan is expected to name a list of state finalists for the controversial grant program’s second round of funding and to explain why Race to the Top — the crown jewel of the administration’s education agenda — must continue. And on Thursday, Obama will talk about education at the annual gathering of the National Urban League, one of seven civil rights organizations that blasted Race to the Top in a report made public Monday.

..."According to his prepared remarks, Duncan will argue that highly competitive grants such as Race to the Top have demonstrated that, in difficult budget times, nothing produces change as quickly as the opportunity to get more federal funding.

“Let’s not get sidetracked in a false choice between competitive and formula funding — because we need both,” Duncan will say, addressing criticism that Race to the Top comes at the expense of federal allocations for schools. “Even with increases in competitive funds under our proposed 2011 budget, 80 percent of our K-12 programs are formula programs. We want to recognize and reward high-achieving and high-growth schools — offering them carrots and incentives that we know drive reform and progress.”


Arne is right about one thing. His money talks in this poor economy. He can get school systems and unions to jump through hoops to get the hundreds of millions he promises.

Looks like the process to "reform" education will continue despite opposition from teachers, unions, parents, and now civil rights groups.

Civil rights groups break with Obama on education.

When last month the delegates to the National Education Association voted no confidence on Race to the Top it signaled the beginning of an open break with the Obama administration on education by a key section the progressive wing of the coalition that elected him.

It was unfortunate that the AFT buried a similar resolution using bureaucratic convention rules.

But no matter.

Today, the entire core of the US Civil Rights Movement joined the NEA in opposition to the Obama education agenda.

Placing themselves in opposition to the administration are the Lawyers’ Committee for Civil Rights Under Law, Rainbow PUSH Coalition, Schott Foundation for Public Education, National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, National Coalition for Educating Black Children, National Urban League, and the NAACP Legal Defense and Educational Fund, Inc.


From Race to the Top, to charter schools, to most of the prescriptive federal demands on local states and school districts, these main stream civil right groups stand firmly in opposition.

More to come, I’m sure.


Their agenda is going to continue no matter who opposes it.

It is the same agenda the Bush administration tried to get through, but we as Democrats fought him.




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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 09:45 AM
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1. Gee another education sham. What a shock. Not.
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Catshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 09:47 AM
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2. We may have fought this agenda under Bush but when a Democrat does it, it's just great!
:sarcasm:

We have 40 students in a class and not enough desks for them yet Arne hoards cash. How is that improving student learning? More students that must achieve higher goals with less support. And I thought being called a terrorist was bad.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 09:52 AM
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4. Exactly! A lot less speaking out on ALL social issues, because it is a Dem in office.
We are screwed, and what is happening in education means at least a whole generation lost.

:cry:
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 10:16 AM
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11. Really think about your subject line.
Edited on Tue Jul-27-10 10:57 AM by WinkyDink
Clinton: NAFTA. Welfare to Work.
Gore: Stolen election. (And current smear campaign.)
Kerry: Stolen election. (And smear campaign.)
Obama: Elected.

Makes ME ponder, anyway.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 02:22 PM
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18. Threatening me, are you?
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 12:06 PM
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35. Bwah! No way! I'm suggesting that someone in office was ALLOWED to be so, because......
Edited on Wed Jul-28-10 12:07 PM by WinkyDink
only a Democrat could get away with implementing Republican policies.

Kind of like Nixon goes to China, but worse.

I may wear a tinfoil-hat, but I don't threaten!! :-)
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 09:27 AM
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27. They're not to achieve higher goals.
The goals set by these cretins are lower. Just fill in the right circle with the No. 2 pencil.

Dumber curriculum. Lower standards. Less prepared teachers. And we campaigned and voted for the idiot who hired a bigger idiot to put ronald reagan's dreams for schools into effect. I know it's not great form to call the president and idiot, but I would rather think he is a idiot who is clueless about what is happening under his administration than think that he is nasty and mean enough to do this knowing the outcome.
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Catshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 05:01 PM
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43. Hey, if it walks like a duck....
maybe misguided fool is a better term.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 09:49 AM
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3. At least in my view, another disappointment from this administration. More paths to destruction of
the middle class, the emergence of a plantation society

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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 09:52 AM
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5. who is profiting off this agenda. follow the $$ and all will be revealed nt
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 11:15 PM
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24. Exactly right.
Follow the money.
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 10:00 AM
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6. hey, at least this is more about carrots than sticks.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 10:07 AM
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7. Not really. Lots of sticks also.
It's hard to think of it that way when hundreds of thousands of teachers will be gone next year. That money should and could be used to help them out. But when David Obey tried to take some of the money to help teachers from being laid off....the president threatened a veto.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/6415
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 10:12 AM
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10. Unless, of course, you are the teacher who was fired because of the "carrot."
Edited on Tue Jul-27-10 10:12 AM by WinkyDink
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Edweird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 10:09 AM
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8. Meanwhile in bizarro world....
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 10:14 AM
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31. Yes. nt
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 10:11 AM
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9. Buying off administrators/school boards to CLOSE THEIR SCHOOLS and FIRE TEACHERS. A Faustian deal.
Yes, I DO know who therefore would be in the role of the Devil.
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MrMickeysMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 10:20 AM
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12. "Their agenda is going to continue..."
... to thunderous applause as Duncan continues the privatization of education?

:wtf:
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Catshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 10:56 AM
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13. Until it happens to them..
and then it will be too late.
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 10:58 AM
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14. More accurately, Obama and Duncan to defend dismantling public education...
in spite of opposition.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 11:33 AM
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15. Their agenda is going to continue no matter who opposes it.
So much for the "make me" myth.

I, for one, will continue to oppose it. :(
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The Northerner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 12:14 PM
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17. +1
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 05:00 PM
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21. It's like no opposition voices are allowed to be heard.
There is pretense by Arne, but his answers to questions go in circles...he ends up saying nothing but catch phrases.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 12:00 PM
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34. Do you think he'll ever acknoledge, let alone respond to comments, or answer questions,
left by teachers and others who oppose his agenda on ed.gov?
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 06:13 PM
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46. SILENCE is also a response . . . but . . .
while they full well understand the hard core resistance to this destruction of

public education, evidently someone has more LEVERAGE on them than the voters do -- !!!

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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 11:46 AM
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16. I see they'll be giving speeches, but who will be asking them challenging questions?
I'm concerned they believe they simply don't need teachers nor unions to win elections any longer. The Obama administration
is more than likely going to win the votes of the Hispanic community like never before as a result of the GOP's insane and
immoral stand on immigration and perhaps believes they will have made up for lost labor votes.

The changes taking place are sad to me on many levels, there is nothing substantial in Duncan's past in Chicago that should be identified as a policy to adopt for the nation imo. So Duncan will coerce schools because as he said himself, .."in difficult budget times, nothing produces change as quickly as the opportunity to get more federal funding."


Shameful!
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 12:16 AM
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25. I doubt anyone will.
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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 10:36 AM
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33. I appreciate all the good work you do here mads, always excellent.
By any chance do you write any letters to the newspapers in your area? You express yourself so well, I just wondered why not
spread the information mainstream perhaps?

I agree btw, no one will likely challenge Obama nor Arne.
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sulphurdunn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 10:01 AM
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28. The Democratic Party will be reformed
when its political class is more afraid of its base than it loves slopping at the corporate trough. They will fear us when we actively, not passively, oppose them, when we stop begging and start demanding, and that requires active organization against them by labor unions either by sitting out or going for the opposition. There it is, unpleasant as it is to say it.
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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 10:30 AM
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32. I agree, completely. I will add that I don't see fair representation
for the American people until we fight for public funded elections. How the hell are we going to come
up with the kind of money Wall Street has, and that is only ONE of the many sources we are up against.

There was an article recently about the labor unions and Jerry Brown, they are dipping deep to help him against Meg Whitman,
but they are not confident that Brown will help them much. They only know for certain that Whitman will be much worse.
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sulphurdunn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 12:26 PM
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36. There it is.
Anytime your political choices are between the lesser of two evils you obviously are not being represented in your own representative government.
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 02:54 PM
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19. k & r
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 02:55 PM
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20. what a stupid thing to do....
just keep smiling and wave at the camera.... awwww... all better now.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 07:36 PM
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22. The tip off that they are not listening was when Arne said...
that he had no opposition to his ideas. How in the world could he be sincere?
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 01:11 PM
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37. I know it... incredible
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 08:00 PM
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23. &R
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 09:22 AM
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26. Obama says "Fuck you very much".
Can we show that photograph. The one with Obama and a dick.
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 10:03 AM
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29. Fucking Hell
Other than that, I'm speechless.
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 10:06 AM
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30. Fuck You arne duncan. Education Is A Right Not A Competition
Got that, asshole!
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DailyGrind51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 01:28 PM
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38. They will not get any political mileage on this either!
"The right" will not vote for Obama in 2012, AND he alienates public school teachers, his previously most loyal voting block.
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katandmoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 01:43 PM
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39. Just more proof of how profounding insincere Obama's "Keep pushing me" bleat is. He is full of shit.
Obama has NO INTENTION of doing ANYTHING he doesn't want to do. Opponents can protest until the cows come home but the joke is on them because it's a total waste of time and energy. Obama is arrogant and smug through and through. He is deliberately and permanently deaf and blind to any opposition. Anybody who thinks otherwise is just delusional.

I truly despise this man.
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cjbgreen Donating Member (175 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 02:00 PM
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40. Thanks Madfloridan
Once again Madfloridian reminds the public of one of Obama's expansion of Republican and Corporate efforts to dismantle public education and break unions. I can only speculate as to why Obama is robbing children of what a public education system that provided most of the nation's children with a competitive education. Sadly, change is not reform and reform does not equal excellent public education where all children make progress. I can not comprehend how the Obama administration can continue to support policies and funding that result in public school systems being forced to reduce the school year, eliminate programs that kept students in school, lay off teachers, and foster strategies that are not proven. I might add that I hate the underlying arrogance that disregards pedagogy. Note to Obama, it is sheer ignorance to think that earning a degree from Harvard or Princeton (or any college) qualifies someone to practice professionally as a teacher, social worker, psychologist, lawyer, economist, accountant. Our children are suffering more under this administration (granted Reagan and Bush started the slide).
We all need to contact our public officials and not stop.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 02:25 PM
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41. Their agenda is going to continue no matter who opposes it.
Word.
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 03:24 PM
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42. It's sickening.
:puke:
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 05:18 PM
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44. Gee, maybe someone should do a study on what exactly,
Edited on Wed Jul-28-10 05:19 PM by ooglymoogly
the words "Trojan Horse" have come to mean and who and what could fit into that description.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 06:12 PM
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45. This Obama/Duncan effort to destroy public education is simply more ...
pulling the rug out from under democracy --

and once again mimics Bush's failed agenda --

We need a very firm message of "NO" to keep going forward on this --

I'm sure many of us will still be voting against GOP in November --

but I doubt we'll actually be voting in support of Obama's performance --

If we can't move Obama to the left, then we need another Democratic candidate in 2012!!

Whitehouse, Feingold, Grayson . . . any recommendations?





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