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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 11:20 AM
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MSNBC reporting Warren Jeffs to get new trial.
The jury instructions about "consent" were in error.

I wonder if we'll notice any new hair or dress fashions as the circus once again marches to downtown.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 12:05 PM
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1. Trial by firing squad?
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madinmaryland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 12:07 PM
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2. CNN is reporting the same thing. They say he could be released in the near future.
:wtf:
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 12:08 PM
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3. "WTF" is right
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era veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 12:11 PM
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4. For Shame
I hope he experienced in prison what he dealt in life.
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 12:50 PM
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8. For shame yourself ! We are responsible for the health and
safety of all prisoners we have in custody. There is no law stating that any crime in the US is punishable by random prison rape. The fact that anyone is raped in prison is a crime that we all are responsible for.
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era veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 02:02 PM
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17. So your only comment is in defense of a predator?
I said nothing about random prison rape. We won't agree on this one, good day.
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get the red out Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 12:36 PM
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5. This country disgusts me
Human rights are meaningless here on so many levels. We can't even count on the courts to protect children from organized predators. Shameful.
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jah the baptist Donating Member (329 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 12:40 PM
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6. yeah, that whole trial by jury and rights of the accused thing is disgusting. nt
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 12:46 PM
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7. +1.
Unless you want mob justice--which is what some people on DU seem to favor when the accused is someone they disapprove of--then there needs to be a system of checks and balances. Yell at the judge for fucking up the instructions, if you need to be mad at someone.
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uncommon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 12:51 PM
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9. The jury needs INSTRUCTIONS for CONSENT??? Also, most of these abused "women"
are legally CHILDREN.

There can be no consent with CHILDREN.

I fucking hate the world sometimes.
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jah the baptist Donating Member (329 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 12:58 PM
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10.  hate the world? drama much?
seriously, this makes you hate the world?

some guy is getting a new trial, in which he will no doubt be convicted again, as you would want him to be, and therefore you hate the world?

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uncommon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 01:13 PM
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12. It made me angry because the abuse of women and children
is very often condoned in this society and this smacks of another chance for that to happen.

So yes, this makes me very very angry. And your condescension is noted.
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jah the baptist Donating Member (329 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 01:18 PM
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14. sorry due process pisses you off nt
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 02:55 PM
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jah the baptist Donating Member (329 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 04:10 PM
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19. wow, pretty graphic. project much? nt
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NeedleCast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 01:05 PM
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11. Not sure I understand why he gets a new trial
Can someone more legally minded than me explain what the issue was with the first trial?

The biggest worry here is that Jeffs will run. He will. Believe it. Last time a warrant was issued for him it took several years to locate him.
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jah the baptist Donating Member (329 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 01:15 PM
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13. it think the judge messed up the jury instructions
in which case he, like any defendant, is entitled to a new trial since he didnt get a fair one in the first place

dollar to a doughnut says he will be convicted again

i cant beleive people are bitching about the fact we have due process in this country
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NeedleCast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 01:18 PM
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15. I agree, if something was wrong in the first trial he deserves a re-trial
My level of disgust for this man not withstanding, if there was a clear reason for calling for a new trial, I'm fine with that. That being said, this is Utah and whether or not he's getting undue sympathy is a concern. That, and the fact that as soon as he touches free ground, he's going to bolt.
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jah the baptist Donating Member (329 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 01:20 PM
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16. him bolting IS a legit concern
but the system has ways of dealing with flight risks

electronic monitoring etc.
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