70 people on my lawn at 2AM..called the cops..never showed... BUT

today at Walgreens, 2 guys walked out (actually ran out) with 3 packages of diapers, and by the time I checked out, there were THREE sheriffs, TWO policemen , and THREE firemen.

They had one guy in cuffs and created a major traffic jam with FIVE law enforcement vehicles.

The firemen came to see what was happening...the guy who was caught ran onto their property & one of the fireman grabbed him & held him until the cops came..

The people on my lawn incident was apparently from a very noisy party next door & there were just too many people in the house..They left an awful mess ..bottles & trash all over.

I guess the police did not think it was odd for a mob of people to congregate on the street & in the yards at 2 am.. No harm done, but it struck me as odd that there would be such a strong response to diaper-theft..:rofl:

It says so right on the side of most of their cars.

You are not rich enough.

not an item that would bring high-dollar in a fence operation, I suspect --

If I saw someone stealing diapers or anti-itch cream . . . I would have a hard time turning them in for theft.

to be a very poor and very desperate parent.

My thoughts are with the baby who didn't get his/her diapers changed, actually.

Let it go once and you'll have a dozen shop-lifters in there every day.

'Cause this thief would have gone back to the other hard-core street criminals and bragged of his score, no doubt.

Quit trying so damn hard.

:rofl:

but this leap is heroic...

These are simple facts.

What facts?

You proposed a "result" of leniency without any attribution or explanation.

What mechanism do you envision driving this crime wave?

You let people steal from your store and word gets around. Simple fact.

you inhabit.

You think that all "thieves" are part of a network out to victimize any Republicans who display a bit of weakness or human compassion.

You don't need to know anything further than that.

With every post you expose more of your true self.

:rofl:

Oh, brother you are reaching.

Talk about insulated. :rofl:

Pretending to a lofty perch doesn't answer any of the questions you've failed to answer.

Your stance is based on ignorance. And you're trying to deflect the discussion away from your faux pas, because you can't answer anything beyond, "My prejudice tells me so."


Tell us how these purloined diapers are going to start a crime wave.

You made a statement, back it up. Describe in detail the machinations of the nappie-nappers and how they'll spread the word.

Check out what Walter said in his post. I've ssen the same thing.

It's true, people steal from places where they know they can get away with it.

Lofty? That's your pretension, not mine. I'd love for your explanation of why stealing is ok.

that's the tragedy here. You can't grasp that you made an assumption based on your prejudices.

Do you really need me to explain why a crying baby can be a moral justification for an incident of petty theft? Pity the child, "nurtured" by someone so lacking.

I'm done with you for now, but I'm absolutely certain you'll present me with another opportunity to school you. Soon.

For why I don't buy the whole stealing is ok bit.

Silly, silly boy.

You have not posted a single fact.

THESE are facts (along with a citation):
http://www.frac.org/html/hunger_in_the_us/hunger_index.html

The U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) reported that in 2008:

* Of the 49.1 million people living in food insecure households (up from 36.2 million in 2007), 32.4 million are adults (14.4 percent of all adults) and 16.7 million are children (22.5 percent of all children).

* 17.3 million people lived in households that were considered to have "very low food security," a USDA term (previously denominated "food insecure with hunger") that means one or more people in the household were hungry over the course of the year because of the inability to afford enough food. This was up from 11.9 million in 2007 and 8.5 million in 2000.

* Very low food security had been getting worse even before the recession. The number of people in this category in 2008 is more than double the number in 2000.

* Black (25.7 percent) and Hispanic (26.9 percent) households experienced food insecurity at far higher rates than the national average.

Catch the difference there, cowboy?

Please try harder. Thanks.

Is that what you're trying to get across?

is when it comes to taking care of your family and how this goal lessons other priorities. You don't have to agree with or understand it but when it comes to living and dying many people will resort to situations where most people won't agree with but taking care of family becomes the most important goal.

But what reference do we have for the whole story?

nine times out of ten, a thief is a thief. Not Jean Valjean or a starving mother.

I wasn't talking about the story just speaking in general.

Sorry if I am kicking an old thread. I just got back and checked My Posts and this was the first reply.

What is the bigger sin? Letting your children starve, or stealing food?

and a case of Gerber's stuffed in my underwear...in August!

Seriously, I hope and pray the officials who brought in half a dozen LEOs also thought to donate diapers and whatever to the baby the men were desperate to care for...

:rofl:

I'm weird like that.

You disapprove. Pretty much sums you up.

pretty soon babies all over the neighborhood will be wearing clean diapers like they grow on trees. Even the poor ones. They get hooked on that shit.

If you let go, you'll have assholes stealing from you because they know you won't call the cops.

:eyes:

by what mechanism "they" will know of the leniency.

Does the Diaper Thieves Guild have a newsletter?

Word will get around, like a half-off sale.

That's a supposition based on your prejudices.

Telling.

Your buddy Walt could be making it all up. Just saying stuff on the internet is easy.


And you're content to let others try to dig you out of your ruts. Weak.

I've seen the exact same thing with with my own eyes.

It's called real-life experience, you may be lacking in that area.

Hence, I have no reason to respond to his post. As I've explained, it's useless non-information, anyway.

:eyes:

Like I said, you have nothing to say.

4 responses after I cut you off.

Sad.

and really made no attempt to detain shoplifters after the company was sued by a security guard who was hospitalized after confronting a methed out shoplifter in the parking lot, this was well known by the criminal element and they would travel from far and wide. There were literally fuckers who would drive all the way from Arizona to rip us off.

Did you have a stake in the company?

These assholes would blatantly push mountain bikes out the fucking door - I suppose I should have helped them to their cars?

Our greatest hits security reel includes a couple going to electronics, grabbing a 27" television and taking it to the return counter. Obviously not having a receipt they were turned away and walked out the door with it, by the time I left all we were doing was confronting known shoplifters on their way into the store and telling them to fuck off. Also on the greatest hits reel was this punk kid walking in, trying on some shoes and walking right out the door in front of the saleswoman, at which point he mooned the security camera.

Awesome response.

called "Les Miserables". The author was so beloved that his funeral lasted a full week in Paris.

I'm with Hugo: your perspective is callous, ignorant and foul.

True criminals, that is. If they did, and had they been victimized a few times, they might have a much less romanticized notion of crime...

Look, if people on this thread are honestly stupid enough to believe that these kids are stealing diapers for their children, I can't help them. Anybody who has any actual street knowledge knows that diapers and formula street sell for nearly half of what a store charges....lots more than what other stolen loot sells for.

I've known real criminals. Had them in my family.

The whole hollywood-"Bonny and Clyde/Robin Hood" stereotype was revealed to me as a sham at an early age.

Trying to steal diapers.

The real criminals are the ones who devised a society where that sort of thing is necessary, and the ones who are complicit in that society through their assent.

Not smokes. Not liquor. Not batteries, aspirin, candy, makeup, or a DVD player. The man stole (yes! He stole; I admit it) diapers, because the kid just keeps on peeing and shitting. Best choice in the world? No. Better and more understandable than stealing something unnecessary for hygiene and health? Yes. In my opinion, the dramatic arrest was overkill, a response designed to provoke a reaction from the public viewing it. So what is that reaction includes a couple of "Hey, fuck you guys, can't you see the guy's stealing *diapers*?" in addition to "Serves him right!" ?

Or why so many posters wear the badge of Javert.

Six of one, half a dozen of the other...

afford to make a charity contribution of diapers and get some decent press.

And just how much do the people at Walgreen's earn per hour? $9 would be a high guess.

And while we're at it....Where the fuck are all the Life-Lovers/Fetus Savers????? I'd call one of their churches and ask for bail money and diaper money!!!!

Fucking Corporations. Fucking hypocritical churches.

I'd prefer the police/sheriff be investigating violent crimes than running after diaper robbers.

You sound pretty freepy....hope you're never hungry.

Yawn. Why, because I disagree?

So why is theft ok to you? Hope you never own a store or other business.

DIAPERS!!! They didn't come in with guns and unload the cash registers. Fucking diapers.

I have had a business.

And yes, you sound very freepy.

No compassion, unable to differentiate between priorities, rigid, and unable to see the 'grey.' Freepy.

And each situation is handled differently by different people.

I wouldn't let people steal from where I work. You apparently would. Shades of grey.

No compassion? Because I wouldn't them steal? :rofl:

You had a business? Did you let people steal from you?

word, diapers? Do you know what they are used for? I would give them some diapers. I don't want some infant sitting in her/his shit for days and developing some awful rash.

Yes, I'd give them the fucking diapers.

You're not funny.

Go away, freepy.

So you have nothing, huh?

Yeah, that's about right.

"Yes, I'd give them the fucking diapers."

Now I understand the "used to" in the "I used to own a business."

I sold the business at a nice profit. Now I just give away diapers.

If only I had an Ignore Button IRL.

I choose to avoid having you and Dick Cheney both in my world at the same time.

Why are you so afraid of discussion?

So its ok to steal if its for a baby and from a large business?

What if they stole booze to trade for diapers? Is that ok?

What is the minimum level of income for a store before its ok to steal from them?

What if they pointed a shotgun in the clerks face during the robbery?

What if they stole the really high quality diapers ( or should they limit themselves to generic brands)?

Wow....

Diapers are expensive, easy to carry and usually not secure. I worked retail for 10 years and diapers were one of the most commonly stolen items. And returned items. 3 packs of diapers would probably run between $50 and $100 depending on the size of the pack, and they are then taken to a store known to be lax on returns. Same thing with razors - but those are small and easier to secure.

diapers were stolen and returned for money. I don't know any stores that give money back w/o a receipt. Usually you get a gift card. Oh well, I'm not much of a thief.

I know diapers are expensive, but I didn't realize they were THAT expensive.

I think disposable diapers are awful for the environment. I grew up in the day of cloth and washing them for reuse. But everyone is so lazy today. Me, I'm cheap.

I really thought there was a baby with a pantful!

:blush:

I worked retail but major appliances, no diapers around.

I still bet some diapers are stolen for babies with a heavy load!:P

Even so, people would return for store credit, then turn around and stock up on booze. I also saw downthread someone mention that diapers are big on the black market. That seems shocking to me.

are big on the black market, this nation is done, over, toast.

I can't even imagine it.

I wish parents would use cloth and those plastic underpants....shit, maybe 'they' don't even manufacture those plastic pants that go over the cloth????

And our landfills grow.

I'm sick.

I wonder what the profit margins Proctor and Gamble gets on these diapers? I really dislike P & G and try never to buy their products. Tide is the only thing...I seem to be allergic to other detergents. Hell, I try to not buy from another of our big multi-nationals. Aldi has become a good friend of mine.

:hi:

:hi:

Where people have to resort to things like stealing diapers... deserve jail.

I concur with the person who made the "Freepy" diagnosis.

I've had to steal to eat a few times years ago (and yes, it was for food). Good to know you'd feel good about having me jailed for it. Always good to know who one's "progressive" friends are.

Or a shelter?

Or a soup kitchen?

Or a Catholic/Protestant/Buddhist/Atheist/UU organization that helps the needy?

Why not go to family?

Or friends?

Did you really have to steal?

Sorry if you think disagreeing with you makes me "freepy". Yawn.

clothes, etc. They can get you nearly half of the list price.

Seriously.

Can be sold on the black market.

There are large organized criminal syndicates that specialize in this kind of high yield theft.

That's my experience at least. Unless it's a small business (like a mom & pop run liquor store in East Oakland)...

So, let's amend that to Cops Respond to Corporations, not People...

(The answer is obvious. Incorporate yourself, then place the 911 call as being from SoCalDem, Inc. ... and you'll get police services lickity split!!)

;)

Sorry! :(

I mean if you are going to be up, you might as well enjoy yourself.....

Not to change the subject but.. kinda curious. :)

Sorry SoCal... I'm blind... :)

IDemo, I salute you!

Or is it that only poor folks would need to steal diapers and poor folks make such good private prison stuffing.

I rarely ever go to Walgreens, but I would guess they must have a big shoplifter problem..

The high school kids w/butt loads of money and new cars will challenge each other to see who can get away w/stealing what at Walgreens or CVS. The start out w/something small then it gets bigger and of course more dangerous. The also go for teddy bears and even try outrageous items like blowup pool toys. They don't really want the stuff, it's just something for them to do because the are bored and spoiled.

Isn't that German for "sock puppet"?

Their resell is high.

People keep announcing this as if it's relevant. It's not, because it only means that somewhere down the line, somebody can't afford diapers, so they have to go to the black market.

I swear 1/2 of the force responded. My neighbors were freaking out because they thought my house had been broken into. :rofl:

dg

cops too

my old house had a nice little area surrounded by boxwoods and ferns, under a low shady tree, that was almost completely obscured from all directions. A few teenagers up the street discovered the area, and it briefly became a makeout spot. I didn't care much at first(they weren't hurting anything, and I don't think they were actually having sex), but my then-five year old daughter wandered out there one day and one of the kids started yelling at her to "get lost". They were apparently getting stoned.

I grabbed a baseball bat and was going to go beat the kid bloody (nobody curses at and scares my daughter in my own front yard), but my wife blocked the door and told me to knock it off.

So I walked out to the garage and turned on the sprinklers. I saw them out there again a few days later and turned on the sprinklers a second time. When I realized that they were coming around about 3PM every day, I just set the sprinkler timer to give that area a good, muddy soaking every day at about 2:30. I never saw them out there again. :)

Perhaps not actual beating - but a pissed off Daddy wielding a bat will do wonders to keep your yard clear too.

Plus, it's environmentally friendly :evilgrin:

You weren't threatening violence, you were "going green."

A radical concept that many people would just pretend doesn't exist.

Had the situation been more pressing (like that mob decided to attack you or thought it was cool to burn down your house) and the Police still failed to respond (even if due to negligence, or incompitence) you would be owed no recourse because the Police had no duty to provide any level of protection.

Pew Pew pew pew!

Is going to get dropped.

We have a thin three-state margin with only a token military presence keeping the hordes from the Great White North at bay.

I asked him what happened to "to serve and protect" ? and he said "not my job". "I'm here to respond and to clean up the bull shit of other people's lives."

kind of sad actually.

Many cops still spout the "protect and serve" line.

The reality is he is 100% correct.

The Police exist to arrest people (for obvious reasons it makes sense to have a subset of the population handle this) and to gather evidence to sustain a conviction at trial. That is it.

Now often Police will attempt to arrest a suspect during a crime. It aids both goals to do so. As a byproduct a person may be "protected" but that wasn't the intent of the Police.

IF anyone wants a chilling tale Warren v. DC is a good place to start:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_v._District_of_Columbia

and as such, your statement is intellectually dishonest.

Had your hypothetical occurred, there would indeed have been a breach of duty- and the people responsible in the department- and the elected officials in charge would have faced consequences.

We go more that a few with ours over the years

so we don't waste the water:)

The party thing bothers me though. I think they rented the house FOR parties.. There's no one around during the week..Just a zillion cars & motorcycles show up on Friday night and they blast the music until 4 or 5 am..:(

It's crappy music, but not as bad as when the across the street neighbors used to blast Mariachi music at Ears-gonna-bleed volume..Thank goodness they moved:)

But we always did when we lived in a neighborhood. Be had sort of a grotto thing going in one of them when I was growing up...we cooled off more that a few of the neighborhood teenage couples. Never intentionally, we just ran them in the later evening.

:rofl:

"70 people on my lawn, some of them smoking dope...oh...and I just saw one of them with a gun"

There would have been about 200 cops there in 3 minutes.

My neighbor came home from her nursing job once at 3am and saw someone skulking between the garages across the alley. Afraid for her own safety, she called the police and remained in her car. After a half hour of no-show she decided to risk it and run in to our yard. I relayed the story to my copper friend and he told me she should have said she thought she saw a gun. They would have been there immediately.

...when they think weed or a gun is involved.

Just laughed so hard I scared the cat.

you don't take the entire package. You open one up and take a few out.

:-)

You may be dealing with 4 guys on the graveyard shift who are not about to confront 70 drunks, vs 40 bored cops in the mid-afternoon.

the OP phoned in the complaint.

Senator McCain, is that you?;)

:rofl:

and whatever cash ya got.

Back in the early '90s there was a quinceañera party a block away from my rented house. About 200 people showed up, the party got out of control, and someone got stabbed. I saw the possible perps driving away fast in a pickup truck.

Cops showed up 10 minutes later in great force. I a total of 13 vehicles including one helicopter, which illuminated my quiet back yard keg party for a couple of minutes.

suppose just 1 cop showed and some thugs were lying in wait - But, know what you mean about 'looking 'strange' for so many cops. A couple years back a car had gone in a ditch not too far from my home and 3 cop cars showed up! I pretty much said the same thing!

dial 911 then hang up without saying anything at all.

I am a bit skittish about having my house vandalized:(

Raising Arizona.

Underrated classic.

:rofl:

who would be willing to truck in some big steaming piles of horse or cow manure and dump it on your lawn every so often?

I bet that would keep the partiers off your lawn.

and it would probably enrich your weeds and make them look all purty... :7

I paid the manager the price of the diapers and asked him not to call the police. How desperate do you have to be to steal diapers?

I do, however, wonder about the source of the desperation. I would wager that the thieves in this case weren't stealing diapers for their own child. I figure there are much better odds that the diapers would have been swapped for something other than cash.

lol