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breadandwine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 05:03 AM
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••• THE PASSION GAP - 72% of Repubs certain they'll vote vs. only 49% of Democrats •••




http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE66Q4OO20100727?type=politicsNews


The enthusiasm gap is real, the other side is unusually energized compared to us and our polite mentions of all we accomplished and our chuckles at GOP "silliness" and bad behavior don't mean Jack. This is going to be a bigger GOP takeover than in 1994 with Gingrich. This is a coming tsunami, a tidal wave. Democrats, excited about change and hope, flocked to the polls in 2008. Now it's the other way around, we lay at anchor letting them define us while we concentrated on building up the Democratic "resume" with health care instead of jobs, and we are deer in headlights unable to grasp that passion gets people to the polls. So we must not be inflammatory or get excited or "riled up." Only they are allowed to do that. Only they are allowed to go to the polls. Only they are allowed to have passion. Hence, THE PASSION GAP.

If 72% of Goopers are certain they will vote and only 49% of Democrats as the poll states, there is a near certainty that they will win. They will take over both houses of Congress, the Senate too. Harry Reid is going to get swamped simply because Angle's supporters are fanatics certain to vote and his supporters are not. Add to this votes to be skimmed off the top through hacking and we are toast. Before you can do something about a problem you have to know it exists. Our party is like deer in headlights refusing to admit there is a passion gap. Therefore we are toast. Above all, do not get angry at the GOP. Only Republicans are ever allowed to get angry. Can't stoop to their level, blah blah.



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breadandwine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 05:15 AM
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1. Now a poll says there are even some cracks emerging in Hispanic support for us ---
Edited on Wed Jul-28-10 05:18 AM by breadandwine



http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38424088/ns/politics/




But who cares? Let's all sleepwalk through this election.



As far as I can tell, Democrats are doing NOTHING to gin up passion on our side and think it's a dirty word.




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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 05:22 AM
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2. Dems have made a point to alienate their base
and they scratch their heads and wonder why their numbers are sinking. Amazing.
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Nay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 05:52 AM
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8. It IS amazing...and even if every member of the base voted, the
new Dems and center, who turned out in droves for Obama, may stay home as they usually do, and that's all it would take for us to lose. It boggles my mind that the Dem leadership can't figure this out.
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breadandwine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 06:05 AM
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11. Even in 2008 there were young voters who walked into the voting booth, voted for Obama and didn't



bother to vote at all for other races.

And they walked out of the voting booth convinced they really had their act together.



But who cares? I got my music videos and weed so who cares if the GOP takes over Congress?


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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 03:33 PM
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27. Exactly, You just can't get this across to the party loyalists
'my party right or wrong' crowd. When a party alienates its base, it doesn't win elections.

Maybe they know this, maybe they don't want to win. It sure looks that way as the insults and anger at the base continue.

Someone needs to take over this party quickly before the Dem Leadership hands a huge victory to Republicans.

And I will keep saying this as it is a fact, if Republicans win in November, I and millions of others will blame the Leadership of the Democratic Party for the strategy of telling those who got them elected in the first place, that they don't need them.

And if they do not start defending SS from the Cat Food Commissioners, they will be finished as a party for a very long time.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 05:30 AM
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3. I'll vote
but it certainly will not be with enthusiasm
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breadandwine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 05:33 AM
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4. Here is the GOP game plan (even though the issues mentioned in this clip are DEM issues) ---
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breadandwine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 06:12 AM
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12. The GOP are cheerleaders for anger, we're not. That's why we're going to lose.

We're not allowed to get angry. We're not allowed to sound the alarm.

It is FORBIDDEN....
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Poboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 08:04 AM
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23. You are simply correct.
Its class warfare, but we aren't allowed to call it that.
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Better Today Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 03:24 PM
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26. I disagree, it doesn't have to be anger, it can be enthusiasm of any sort, but
Edited on Wed Jul-28-10 03:25 PM by Better Today
the disappointment with the admin and the majority in Congress just leaves one un-enthusiastic. Yes, we turned out in droves to get Obama and the Dems everything they said they needed, a Dem Pres, a majority in both houses. Then we came to find out the even with that they have not been able to pass through the type of legislation we thought we were voting for. . . Single Payer or Public Option, End to DADT, Stimulus for the Middle Class, Transparency, Closing Gitmo, End of the Wrong War Strategies, and so on.

Enthusiasm on our side shouldn't need to be angry enthusiasm, but they've lost all hope of it being anything akin to "Belief in Change" enthusiasm, so what's left? The only enthusiasm I feel anymore is disappointment enthusiasm, as I am enthusiastically disappointed.
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Champion Jack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 05:41 AM
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5. !?
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moriah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 05:48 AM
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7. Stolen, and posted to my Facebook.
:) Thanks for sharing!!! :)
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breadandwine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 06:01 AM
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10. Moriah -- that slogan -- "The ass you save may be your own" ---



Democrats don't say this. It is VERBOTEN. Democrats aren't ALLOWED to sound the alarm. We are all supposed to be passionless and cerebral. EMOTION IS BAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Democrats USED to sound the alarm, as in the famous Johnson ad in 1964 warning against Goldwater who was advocating nuking Vietnam ----



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtYpnGZr6TA&feature=fvst




That kind of campaigning is now FORBIDDEN in Democratic and national Democratic campaigning.


It is FORBIDDEN!
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moriah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 05:41 AM
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6. THIS is why, to me, a Democrat sitting home this election...
.. is the same as pulling the lever for the other side. The batshit-crazy GOP will have no problems finding people to go to the polls, and midterm elections are won and lost by turnout.

If you feel like you've got to hold your nose and don't want to pull the lever for the Democrat running for whatever reason, think of it as countering one of the GOP sheeple who will be happy to vote for someone who will never support a progressive cause even if every progressive in their district got down on their knees and begged. Even the most villified Dems, like Blanche Lincoln (who I mention because I'm an Arkie) voted for progressive causes 69% of the time according to ProgressivePunch. Her opponent is a die-hard neocon who will absolutely NEVER vote for a progressive cause.

For those of you who still have the chance to make the Democratic nominee for your district a better Democrat by voting in the primary, please, get a better Democrat nominated. But once you've got a nominee, rally to them -- because we can always try again in the next primary to get a more progressive Democrat nominated. In the general, it comes down to trying to keep things from going backward. And as hated as Blanche is, it would be a giant step backward to have Boozman take her seat.
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 05:59 AM
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9. The "read the fine print" attitude of Obama and the Democrats isn't helping.
Whether you ran on it or not it's not nice to flip off your base. And say what you will about the republicans voting as a block, the democrats had a super majority and every time they tried to pass their agenda it was sabotaged by their own. Why should anybody be enthusiastic about voting for such a party? I am resigned to voting for them because I don't have any other option.
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pstokely Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 06:17 AM
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13. Who here is planning to stay home?
At least not me
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 06:21 AM
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14. For 8 long years...
.. we suffered with "elections have consequences". Once Americans got the sense to throw the bums out. we thought elections still had consequences.

Then comes Obama, and there are no consequences. No prosecutions, no end to the wars, no change in the secrecy and unitary president nonsense, no nothing.

And they wonder why at this point we don't give a shit. Go figure.
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LooseWilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 06:26 AM
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15. I am unimpressed, and unconcerned... I have been told how "leftists" aren't relevant...
If so, let the chips fall where they will. I'm not a toe-the-line loyalist. If a party wants my vote, they have to represent my interests... none of the parties are doing that... so I don't feel any concern about who wins.

The fuck with it... I'd vote for my mom, but she's dead. Of course, I voted for Frank Zappa after he was dead... so I see no holds barred.

Lets see if any party is willing to go after the "liberal" vote... I'm guessing no... so I'm trying to get creative with my ideas of a write-in.

Or, maybe I'll just vote for Cthulu (why settle for the lesser evil?) - the more I think on it, the more that sounds like a vote for a Republican... I'll really have to do some thinking to get past that obvious interpretational impetus...
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-10 03:59 AM
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42. "I'll just vote for Cthulu (why settle for the lesser evil?)" LOL!
Edited on Thu Jul-29-10 03:59 AM by Greyhound
:rofl:

ETA;:applause:

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lillypaddle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 06:55 AM
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16. Don't any of you naysayers give
a shit about the Supreme Court??? Is everything just a big <yawn> to you? Will it really be worth it not to vote? I can't believe this ...
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breadandwine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 07:08 AM
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18. lillypaddle, let me add to my "We're not allowed to have passion."

WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO VOTE.

Only Republicans are allowed to vote.


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lillypaddle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 07:34 AM
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21. I have no idea
what that means. :shrug:
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breadandwine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 03:07 PM
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24. It means that we are supposed to obey orders from those who tell us not to vote.

We must be good little robots and stay home. After all, we have been told there's no reason to vote.


The intergalactic force is ordering us to obey!!!!!!!!


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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 08:37 PM
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34. link?
I have never read one post or comment on DU that has told anyone to obey orders, to be good little robots and stay home.

This is, in fact, one of the most ridiculous claims I have ever read here.

I've read people talking about their personal disappointments and their reaction to actions by the Democratic Party on issues that greatly matter to them, but I have never read one remark like the one you claim has been made.

So, if that's what some people are saying here, I'd really appreciate it if you could supply some links to this claim so that I can read them for myself.

thx.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 03:38 PM
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28. Do you just not 'get' that this isn't about "us naysayers"?
This is about an administration and a Congress that was given a mandate for change, and has conducted itself so poorly, has refused to even discuss, let alone fight for, real change?

There is no enthusiasm because they have purposely killed it so as not to offend the people that matter. How many times do the fifth columnists have to run this same play before you catch on?


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lillypaddle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 06:01 PM
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29. Even Thom Hartman (sorry if I spelled his name wrong)
an avowed progressive, says it's absolutely critical that people vote and keep a Democrat (that would be President Obama, btw) in office. To "throw" the election to the repugs is unconscionable.
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breadandwine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 06:09 PM
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30. Aw shucks! Who cares? It's not as if the GOP would try to impeach a Democratic president

if they took over Capitol Hill.


Like, when would THAT ever happen?


So here's what. Just don't bother to vote.


Besides, who needs Social Security, Medicare and the Environmental Protection Agency?


In fact, who cares about the whole F*CKIN planet? Planets are a dime a dozen.


So LET the Republicans win.


Election day is a good day to stay home, smoke some weed and play checkers.





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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-10 03:57 AM
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41. It is, and I never said "don't vote".
I responded to your blaming the people for the Democrats failure to give them something to vote for, other than being not the republik party.

They sat on their hands for twp years, keeping their powder dry, and giving Idiot Frat Boy all the money he wanted to keep the trough full. Then we follow that by electing the first black President, a man who ran on "change", who hit the ground groveling to the very people that under no circumstances will ever support or vote for his ideas, appointed the very core of the "business friendly" banksters and corporate lackeys to positions that guarantee that there will be no change, and directly told the left to "fuck off".

But it's our fault we aren't very enthusiastic?:shrug:

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DefenseLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 07:05 AM
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17. But what percentage of voters identify themselves as Republicans?
Maybe that was in there somewhere and I missed it, but without that number the results are rather meaningless. Would a headline that says "100% of Flat Earth Party members eager to vote" have us down? Clearly those numbers are troubling, but the Republican brand is still down. I'd like to see both numbers to put it in context.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 07:11 AM
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19. this country is so fucked up, they deserve it.
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breadandwine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 07:29 AM
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20. So, spanone, just let the GOP win, huh?


Yeah, who cares. Let them win. Phooey.

Planets are a dime a dozen.

We can always go live on another one if they f*ck up this one, so why bother voting, huh???


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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-10 02:44 PM
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43. Their "ideals" already have, that's the problem. n/t
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 07:54 AM
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22. and according to the media there was no way dems would win house or senate in 2006
saying does not make it so
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 03:08 PM
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25. Huh, seems the Dems should be worried.
Too bad they aren't.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 08:23 PM
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31. They've been campaigning for months, we haven't started
yet. :shrug:
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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 08:34 PM
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32. 72% is a fucking lie, Democrats just answer more honestly is all.
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breadandwine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 09:43 PM
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37. Bettyellen, if goopers are such automatons that they will say they are certain to vote,

why can't you believe that they are such automatons that they will indeed vote?


What do you expect from a bunch of goose-stepping, sieg-heiling little fascists?
Everybody in Nazi Germany followed ORDERS.
Why should we be surprised that goopers will now follow orders from their commanders and talk shows and march to the polls en masse like the obedient little order takers they are?


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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 11:31 PM
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40. because of voting stats, no party gets close to that high of a percentage. which is why Im shocked
anyone is taking this so seriousy. in europe they get high turnouts like that, in america, it; never happens.
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 08:35 PM
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33. Yes We May.
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 08:38 PM
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35. Now who's fault is that? You elect people to do a job and they go rightwing.
But who'll be blamed on DU? The choiceless voters.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 09:06 PM
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36. Vote for non-DLCers. Donate *directly* to non-DLCers because you can't trust the organizations to
give to progressives over DLCers. They caused this problem, let them feel the brunt of the problem. Do NOT let *any* progressives lose this election.
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Donald Ian Rankin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 10:55 PM
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38. Remember when Bush was in power?
The opposition nearly always commands more passion than the government. This is no big surprise.
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ibegurpard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 10:58 PM
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39. Well, here's ONE reason for me
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