Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Japan apologizes again

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU
 
Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 03:16 AM
Original message
Japan apologizes again
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-10922522

Japan has offered another apology to South Korea for its war-time colonisation of the Korean peninsula.

It also promised to return cultural relics "in the near future", including records taken by Japan of an ancient Korean royal dynasty.

The apology, though not the first, is part of Japanese efforts to forge closer ties with South Korea.

Conservative politicians in Japan have resisted admitting Japanese atrocities throughout World War II.

In a statement, the Japanese Prime Minister Naoto Kan expressed "deep remorse" for the annexation, 100 years ago this month.
----------------------------------------------------

As they have many times already, Japan once again apologizes.

And yet the meme continues that they have not done so.

Projection? Yes, I think so. From a country that can't even say that they regret dropping 2 nuclear bombs on a civilian population.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 03:20 AM
Response to Original message
1. I like Japan, have for a long time, hope to visit there some day.
Edited on Tue Aug-10-10 03:58 AM by RandomThoughts
Not sure why people are concerned with what other generations did, the current generation did not do that.

And I can pretty much show that generational sin can only exist without justice, without free will or without existence, so that concept does not hold if you think people exist or if you think existence should be or is just.


Although it makes sense that if a parent did something wrong, it would reflect badly on their children by how society views them, I think that is more likely the meaning of those comments. People should not hinder their children by doing wrong themselves, since most of society attaches some of that to family members.


Note, That also means it can be proven that generational blessings don't exist by simply having children. It can easily be shown that if a grandchild is blamed for the actions of a grandparent, part of them has to be the same thing, or someone is punished for someone else actions, which is unjust.

And if there is a part that is the same in a person for many generations, then for that to be blamed or punished, it must be responsible, and if responsible it must control someones actions or thoughts. And if something that you don't know is part of a person is actually controlling what they do, then the person is not making any choices, but something they don't even know about would be, so they would not exist.

The only just way for that to have an effect would be for the outcome of a family over many generations to be more important then any individual in that family, even if some of them were innocent, making the justice of existence to have nothing to do with any individual, but only about reaching some goal many generations down the line. Making people irrelevant, or non existant.

So generational sin can not exist if people exist or if existence is just.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Submariner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 04:51 AM
Response to Reply #1
2. Not sure why people are concerned with what other generations did
It was the savagery of the Japanese. Unlike the Nazi's, the Japanese seemed to really enjoy inflicting physical pain and torture. Bayoneting women and babies in public, Nanking, Bataan death march, etc.

Many WWII veterans have a particular hate for the Japanese to this day, until the WWII generation dies off, that will continue.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DaveinJapan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 07:07 AM
Response to Reply #2
11. Unlike the Nazi's????
I totally agree with your entire comment, except for your "unlike the Nazi's" part...plenty of them seemed to really enjoy inflicting physical (AND psychological) pain and torture. They treated the Jews like nothing more than others might treat a household pest infestation, and I find it extraordinarily bizarre that you would equate the Japanese actions (equally abhorrent, certainly!) as somehow "worse".

It was ALL incredibly evil, and YES many thousands did participate wholeheartedly and appeared to thoroughly enjoy their "work".

Just sayin.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Submariner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 08:05 AM
Response to Reply #11
12. POWs: I should have been more specific
The Japanese were far crueler to POWs than the Nazi's were to POWs. American POW testimonials indicate that the Germans were far more humane to Allied POWs, better food, clothing, red cross packages, etc., than the Japanese who starved prisoners and worked them to death.

I won't get into comparing atrocities like Nanking to the concentration camps. I meant only to address POW treatment.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DaveinJapan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 06:11 PM
Response to Reply #12
13. Okay, that I can agree with. nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 05:03 AM
Response to Reply #1
3. Maybe because their government basically make believes it didn't happen
Edited on Tue Aug-10-10 05:03 AM by LostinVA
And don't teach about it in schools, although they do spend a lot of time on Hiroshima and nagasaki? I had a Japanese friend insist to me that the Rape of Nanking didn't happen. They also have steadfastly refused to give reparations to either China or Korea, including to so-called Korean "Comfier Women," aka Rape Slaves. To make it worse, extreme RW Japanese are given lots of media time for telling the side of the Japanese "Holocaust Deniers."

I also like Japan and would like to visit there, too, but this is one area in which Japan has fallen way short of Germany's bar.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 05:12 AM
Response to Reply #3
4. Well they should teach history, people should be able to learn from mistakes.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 06:38 AM
Response to Reply #3
9. Actually they do teach about it in schools.
You are misinformed, which is not surprising.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 05:39 AM
Response to Original message
5. On a related note,
perhaps the United States of America should apologize for the genocide they visited on the native inhabitants of North America. Maybe we can't apologize yet because many injustices continue today.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 05:42 AM
Response to Original message
6. they have`t apologized to the "comfort women"
http://www.religioustolerance.org/sla_japa.htm

and i doubt they ever will.....

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 05:51 AM
Response to Reply #6
7. just in 1993 & a couple of times since, + money
Edited on Tue Aug-10-10 05:55 AM by Hannah Bell
Recognizing that the issue known as "comfort women" was a grave affront to the honor and dignity of a large number of women, the Government of Japan, together with the people of Japan, seriously discussed what could be done for expressing their sincere apologies and remorse to the former "comfort women." As a result, the Asian Women's Fund (AWF) was established on July 19, 1995 in order to extend atonement from Japanese people to the former "comfort women."

Having decided to provide necessary assistance for the AWF by a Cabinet decision in August 1995, the Government of Japan, with a view to fulfilling its moral responsibility, had been providing all possible assistance for the AWF, including bearing the total operational costs of the AWF, assisting its fund-raising and providing the necessary funds to implement its activities (approximately 4.8 billion yen from the AWF's founding through fiscal year of 2005), in order for the AWF to attain its goals. The AWF disbanded in March 2007 with the termination of the project in Indonesia.

The Government of Japan had been cooperating with the AWF in implementing the activities. And the atonement projects were completed in the Philippines, the Republic of Korea and Taiwan by the end of September 2002. Some of former comfort women who received atonement projects expressed their gratitude in various ways.

http://www.mofa.go.jp/policy/women/fund/policy.html


3.The Government of Japan recognizes that the issue of "comfort women", with the involvement of Japanese military authorities at that time, was a grave affront to the honor and dignity of large numbers of women, and holds its sincere apology and remorse for all those who underwent immeasurable and painful experiences and suffered incurable physical and psychological wounds as "comfort women". With this recognition, the Government of Japan has expressed its apology and remorse to the former "comfort women" on various occasions and has provided all possible cooperation for the AWF, which is carrying out projects that express national atonement to the former "comfort women".

4.In the Statement of the Prime Minister in 1995, the Government of Japan once again acknowledged with deep remorse and sincere apology, the enormous damage and suffering inflicted by Japan on the people of many countries, including the Netherlands, during a certain period in the past, and such feelings remain unchanged.

http://www.mofa.go.jp/announce/event/2001/7/0713.html


it appears to be some kind of racket, where japan is castigated for refusing to apologize for this or that & money is each time extracted from them.

a few more years go by & the apologies are once again conveniently forgotten.


how many apologies & how much money has the us contributed to slave reparations, tribes, or all the people they've tortured & killed over the last 100 years?

it's good to be king.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 05:52 AM
Response to Original message
8. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
VMI Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 07:02 AM
Response to Original message
10. Deep remorse?
:rofl:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
apocalypsehow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 06:16 PM
Response to Original message
14. UnRec. n/t.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Tue Apr 30th 2024, 01:54 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC