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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 11:23 AM
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Ok, fess up. Who the hell coined the term "professional left"??
They have called us everything else, but that I have never heard before. Time to remember some of the terms through the years used against "the left", "liberals", "leftists". Part of a previous tirade of mine.

"Professional Left"??

Those of us who became so active in politics with the Dean campaign were scorned as liberals and fringe activists. It was stunning, and it carried right down to the local level. And it was not the Republicans who did that, it was our own party.

The most annoying thing was the preempting of the labels. The conservative Democrats began to call themselves progressives as they pushed liberals aside and called them fringe. They also renamed themselves the "sensible center" and the "moderate middle" and other similar high-sounding terms.

It started a long time ago. And through the years the degrading comments toward liberals/leftists/the left have escalated.

1985 Blueprint for reforming the party.

In his "Saving the Democratic Party" memo of January 1985, From advocated the formation of a "governing council" that would draft a "blueprint" for reforming the party. According to From, the new leadership should aim to create distance from "the new bosses"-organized labor, feminists, and other progressive constituency groups-that were keeping the party from modernizing. From's memo sparked the formation of the Democratic Leadership Council in early 1985. According to Balz and Brownstein, "Within a few weeks, it counted 75 members, primarily governors and members of Congress, most of them from the Sunbelt, and almost all of them white; liberal critics instantly dubbed the group 'the white male caucus.'"


These words in the 90s from Al From, then head of the DLC, were real gems. He is actually saying that President Clinton beat the GOP to issues before they knew what happened. Something odd about bragging about pre-empting the Republican party.

"One Election, Two Interpretations

The predominant analysis in the media echoes the New Democrat view that Clinton won by pre-empting the right on such issues as crime, welfare reform, and a balanced budget. "Every time Dole tried to get cracking on an issue," Al From pointed out at a post-election DLC press conference, "he couldn't do it because the president had, in a sense, beat him there."

Democrats at the Crossroads


Pride in using the GOP's policies before they got around to doing it? There should be pride in standing for real Democratic values, not the punitive conservative ideas.

An article from the DLC website in 2003 not only went after Howard Dean, his website, and his supporters, it attacked Democratic Underground. Yes, it really did.

"Meanwhile, in addition to its standard-fare official website, deanforamerica.com, the Dean campaign also maintains a weblog called blogforamerica.com that plays a curious role in keeping activist supporters emotionally invested and engaged in the campaign.

It is part sitcom, part soap opera. Enthusiastic campaign supporters participate in the drama, posting their own comments in related discussion areas. The interactivity and the cacophony of voices help create a sense of energy -- the feeling of a movement."

But there is also another, simpler explanation for why fringe groups would be using the Internet better than mainstream campaigns: "Because they have to," said Fose, McCain's Internet manager.

Certainly, the fringes of the political spectrum are active online on heavily trafficked discussion boards such as the left-wing democraticunderground.com and the right-wing freerepublic.com. Dean's fiery message resonates in the left-wing haunts. He is the favorite son on democraticunderground.com, according to the site's proprietor, David Allen, and the people posting on that site are an animated bunch. Much of what they post -- about Bush, and about moderate Democrats -- would not be appropriate to repeat here.

But the question remains: It's easy to activate the activists, but what about everyone else?

Nothing but Net


I always find myself thinking that they must not need the activists since they so often scorn them/us. I hope they never find that the activists are not there anymore.

Also in 2003 the same group defined the role of activists in the party. They as much as said there is none. There is no role for activists which they seem to equate with the left, with liberals.

The Real Soul of the Party

Hint: It is not activists.

Not only is the activist wing out of line with Democratic tradition, but it is badly out of touch with the Democratic rank-and-file.

"But the great myth of the current cycle is the misguided notion that the hopes and dreams of activists represent the heart and soul of the Democratic Party. Real Democrats are real people, not activist elites. The mission of the Democratic Party, as Bill Clinton pledged in 1992, is to provide "real answers to the real problems of real people."Real Democrats who champion the mainstream values, national pride, and economic aspirations of middle-class and working people are the real soul of the Democratic Party, not activists and interest groups with narrow agendas."

..."What activists like Dean call the Democratic wing of the Democratic Party is an aberration: the McGovern-Mondale wing, defined principally by weakness abroad and elitist, interest-group liberalism at home. That's the wing that lost 49 states in two elections, and transformed Democrats from a strong national party into a much weaker regional one."


An article in 2004 pointed out the newest young leaders in the New Democrat movement.

Note the use of the words "interest groups", "minority groups" "weak on defense." One of the founders once said of the DLC that they had been founded to lessen reliance on the traditional interest groups and get funding from corporations. Then they did not have to stand for things that made it hard to win.

These young New Democrats have the talking points down pat.

(Jamal)Simmons and his fellow "Young Turks" worry about the Democratic Party's dependence on interest groups, their relations with minority groups, the stereotypes that they are weak on defense and values, the Republican appropriation of the "reformer" label and the swaths of America that Democrats seem to have written off."

.."We respect the struggles of the feminist movement, the civil rights movement and Vietnam, but (we) are not defined by those struggles," says Kirsten Powers, 37, a New York-based strategist and commentator for Fox News. "We want to take what is good in liberalism and make it better, and get rid of what is not working."

..."Simmons, Powers and New York City-based consultant Dan Gerstein have been three of the bluntest commentators. "The party in certain respects is fossilized," says Gerstein, 37. "It's trapped in the last vestiges of the New Deal coalition. That coalition is no longer an electoral majority or even close to it."

A former aide to Sen. Joseph Lieberman, D-Conn., Gerstein wrote in The Wall Street Journal that Democrats have "fallen right back into the elitist, weak-kneed, brain-dead trap" they thought they'd escaped with Bill Clinton."

It's time to pass torch, younger Dems say


The words about "the left" have gone on for years, decades.

In 1998 Al From said:

"I've got bad news for the President's opponents in both parties: New Democrats are winning the battle for their party's soul. New Democrats, not liberals, will be the party's dominant force in the 21st century."

New Democrats are here to stay

In 2003 Evan Bayh had choice words about the left. His words were condescending.

Bayh has a history of sparring with the left in his party. As chairman of the Democratic Leadership Council in 2003, he warned of then-rising presidential campaign of Howard Dean. “The Democratic Party is at risk of being taken over by the far left,” he told DLC members in 2003. “We have an important choice to make: Do we want to vent, or do we want to govern?”


Bruce Reed of the DLC talked about how the DLC has completed its mission.

“The political mission of the DLC has been largely accomplished,” said Reed, who’s had the group’s No. 2 post since 2001. “Twenty-five years ago, the forgotten middle class had serious doubts about Democrats, and now Democrats are winning the middle class, suburban voters, moderates by handsome margins. Our next challenge is to deliver on that promise and earn those votes for years to come."

Political mission completed


He did not refer to voters on the left.

Some of the most contentious words used by the party have been directed, not at Republicans, but at "the left", "liberals".

Notice how this article accuses us having narrow agendas. We are called "elitists" by those who sit in their ivory towers and make the decisions.

The Real Soul of the Democratic Party

Real Democrats who champion the mainstream values, national pride, and economic aspirations of middle-class and working people are the real soul of the Democratic Party, not activists and interest groups with narrow agendas.

Most Democrats aren't elitists who think they know better than everyone else; they are everyone else. They don't swoon when they hear a candidate say it's time for Democrats to dream again.
What they want is the American Dream, where everybody who works hard and plays by the rules has the chance to get ahead.

SNIP..."Not only is the activist wing out of line with Democratic tradition, but it is badly out of touch with the Democratic rank-and-file. In 1996, a survey by the Washington Post compared the views of delegates to the Democratic convention to those of registered Democratic voters. The delegates perfectly mirrored the Democratic electorate in terms of race, ethnicity, and gender. But they could not have been more different when it came to class and education. Democratic delegates were nearly five times more likely than Democratic rank-and-file to have incomes over $75,000, three times more likely to have a college degree, and over four times more likely to have done postgraduate work. No wonder that when the New Yorker recently asked Karl Rove to describe the Democratic base, he said, "somebody with a doctorate."


One of the latest to toss careless words out about liberals is Blanche Lincoln.

Lincoln calls out the Democratic left

In a new interview with The Hill, Sen. Blanche Lincoln -- facing a tough Democratic primary challenge funded by national progressives on Tuesday -- called out her opponents on the Democratic left wing. Lincoln said she is facing criticism from a political movement that she suggested is divorced from the political reality.


Divorced from political reality?

There is a constant in the jibes at the left, the liberals. We are always talked about in the 3rd person. Like we were in a separate place or location in time and space from the rest of the party. We are referred as they or them, never in the 1st person plural like we or us.

The words through the years have left their toll.

As we have moved to the right things have changed in this country. The wars are growing longer, the rich are getting richer, and now the poor are growing poorer.

Each time we get in power now we move right so as not to offend the Republicans, while they have no hesitation about offending us greatly and often.

The most annoying thing of all is the attempt to portray liberals as not very bright, not very politically savvy, unable to see the big picture.

That's the problem. We do see the big picture. We see the harm done when there is a concerted effort to define a whole group of people as being fringe and inadequate. We see the harm done when we fail to stand up to the meanness of the conservative movement of today.

Professional Left?



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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 11:24 AM
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1. Tailgunner Joe
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Divernan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 08:01 AM
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62. That would be Wisconsin GOP Senator Joe McCarthy, as in "McCarthyism"
Edited on Wed Aug-11-10 08:08 AM by Divernan
for the younger DUers. He gave himself the nickname "Tailgunner Joe" because he was a tailgunner in World War II.
Wikipedia:
Republican U.S. Senator from the state of Wisconsin from 1947 until his death in 1957. Beginning in 1950, McCarthy became the most visible public face of a period in which Cold War tensions fueled fears of widespread Communist subversion. He was noted for making claims that there were large numbers of Communists and Soviet spies and sympathizers inside the United States federal government and elsewhere. Ultimately, McCarthy's tactics and his inability to substantiate his claims led him to be censured by the United States Senate.

The term McCarthyism, coined in 1950 in reference to McCarthy's practices, was soon applied to similar anti-communist activities. Today the term is used more generally to describe demagogic, reckless, and unsubstantiated accusations, as well as public attacks on the character or patriotism of political opponents.

McCarthy made accusations of Communist infiltration into the State Department, the administration of President Truman, Voice of America, and the United States Army. He also used charges of communism, communist sympathies, or disloyalty to attack a number of politicians and other individuals inside and outside of government. With the highly publicized Army–McCarthy hearings of 1954, McCarthy's support and popularity began to fade. On December 2, 1954, the Senate voted to censure Senator McCarthy by a vote of 67 to 22, making him one of the few senators ever to be disciplined in this fashion. McCarthy died in Bethesda Naval Hospital on May 2, 1957, at the age of 48. The official cause of death was acute hepatitis; it is widely accepted that this was exacerbated by alcoholism.
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 11:25 AM
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2. Liberals support Obama overwhelmingly.
Those who think he's just like Bush are not liberals, just insufferable fools.
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placton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 11:33 AM
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10. so obama supporters in the Dem Party are
the amateur left?
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 11:34 AM
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12. Yes, they're citizens. nt
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 12:37 PM
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24. all those corporate lobbyists are amateurs!?
;-)
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moksha Donating Member (345 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 12:38 PM
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26. He has lost more points of support from the left than the center or right.
I agree those who think he is just like bush are not being honest. However, he has continued and expanded many of bush's policies. On certain issues, especially some war on terror policies, he is just like bush.

For Gibbs to focus on the small and insignificant few who think he is just like bush, was just a way for him to say the WH is not liberal. It was purely to distinguish themselves as conservative dems.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 06:23 PM
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48. Please post some links to posts here that support
what you claim..."Obama is just like Bush."

I'm here a lot, and I don't remember any of those.
Most people, if they are honest, will admit that there are points of comparison,
and in too many ways Obama is continuing some of the worst Bush Policies.
To say, "with respect to the Unitary Executive Obama is just like Bush" would be a valid statement, but that is NOT the claim you are making.

Thanks in advance.
:hi:
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 03:37 PM
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75. It's the new meme.
Like the Cadillac welfare mothers and the evil school teachers. It's a lie, but it serves their purpose.
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keepCAblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 10:30 AM
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71. -1,000,000,000
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 11:26 AM
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3. What LIV said, or more recently, probably a hedge fund manager.
Sounds like something some corporate stooge would think hilarious.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 11:26 AM
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4. It seems like Michael Moore coined the term..
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 11:31 AM
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9. That's because Michael Moore is a centrist, DINO, Blue Dog, DLCer
;)
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 11:34 AM
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11. That was from 2004 wasn't it?.
I believe he was trying to compare politicians..i.e. "the professional left".. to movie makers/entertainers when he used that term.

I do not think that is the context in which it is being used today.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 11:54 AM
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15. The context is EXACTLY the same, just a different year.
Read it again.
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Cowpunk Donating Member (572 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 04:27 PM
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43. You read it again.
Michael Moore was saying that his work as an entertainer moves people because it is less wonkish than the efforts of political groups. I assume that was who he was talking about with the phrase "professional left". He might have been speaking of Democratic political insiders, the James Carvilles and Donna Brazilles.

In any case, Moore's comment hardly mirrors Gibbs' view that the "professional left" is full of out-of-the-mainstream, uncompromising left wing kooks.
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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 09:49 AM
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67. The context is the same, whaaaaaaaa? I take reading and comprehension are not your forte
Although probably it is intellectual honesty what seems to be of extraordinary difficulty to you.

Next talking point you guys get will be saying how both Gibbs and Moore used prepositions in their sentences, thus they are exactly the same. LOL.

It is just sad seeing this level of desperation, demagogy, and just plain dishonesty trying to basically tell people to stop believing their lying eyes. If this is the change you guys are peddling, you can keep it.
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kenfrequed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 11:41 AM
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82. Really?
Exactly the same?

I think Moore was talking about an entirely different group of people.

Moore's 'Professional Left' were people looking to win regardless of issue or policy. Gibb's professional left seems to be a strawman aimed at the anti-war movement and proponents of universal healthcare.

Also, we sort of had this other president in 2004 from this other party with some other press secretary... so no, the context might just be a teenie-weenie smidge different.
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JonLP24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 07:16 AM
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58. He disagreed with Gibbs last night on KO
I watched the video.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 09:31 AM
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65. Here is what Michael Moore himself said last night to Keith:
"Well, I've never heard the Left referred to with the word 'professional' attached. I don't know if I should take offense at that - first of all, it implies we're organized.
It was really just an odd, odd lashing out. I don't know, it's hot in Washington, I heard that excuse...
I think that's what's bothering them is that liberals and the left have been right from the beginning. From the beginning of this administraton, what did people on our side of the fence say? You should take over these banks temporarily and fire all the thieves who stole our money, but instead what did they do? They enabled them. They called for more offshore oil drilling. They expanded the war in Afghanistan. The stimulus package, they caved into the Republicans... Everything that we've been trying to push them to do has now come back to bite them in a profound way, to the point to where they're very frightened, as they should be, about the election in a couple of months."

And yet here you are, claiming he agrees with Gibbs? Moore speaks for himself, very well.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 11:27 AM
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5. Red Baiting "moderates".
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 07:53 AM
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60. +1
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GreenArrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 11:28 AM
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6. Coined by some professional PR flack, who was hired by
some professional politicians, to be mouthed by professional flunkies, to the benefit of the professional politicians and their professional political benefactors.
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Gormy Cuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 11:29 AM
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7. Thanks for that.
I was alarmed by the term in the Gibbs piece. "Professional left?" As opposed to what, the amateur left?

I know the DLCers disagree with those to the left of them but when they start openly deriding the left wing of the party it's time to send them a wake-up call.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 11:53 AM
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14. They have been derisive of us for years.
Shows they think they only need the far right and center.
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Gormy Cuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 12:05 PM
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17. I'm sure they have been derisive but when administration members are that derisive on the record
Edited on Tue Aug-10-10 12:27 PM by Gormy Cuss
that's crossing a line that can not be ignored. In fact, Gibbs has already conceded that. Doesn't change the reality that it will bolster the administration's standing with some of the disaffected moderates and that may have been the goal.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 12:06 PM
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19. You are right.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 11:29 AM
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8. What a FANTASTIC post! thank you...thank you..
Edited on Tue Aug-10-10 11:38 AM by BrklynLiberal
I wish I could rec it 100 times.

I always find myself thinking that they must not need the activists since they so often scorn them/us. I hope they never find that the activists are not there anymore.


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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 11:43 AM
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13. "create distance from "the new bosses"-organized labor, feminists, and other progressive."
"create distance from "the new bosses"-organized labor, feminists, and other progressive constituency groups"

Right now the main interest is keeping distance from teachers' unions, the bad guys of the day.

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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 11:55 AM
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16. You answered that question in your post; it was DLC.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 12:05 PM
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18. 3rd person references are the worst. Like we are not part of the party.
"Those people ought to be drug tested,” Gibbs said. “I mean, it’s crazy.”

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 12:20 PM
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20. Remember the Osama ad against Dean. That was Gibbs and his group.
Edited on Tue Aug-10-10 12:32 PM by madfloridian
A secret Democratic group ran an ad against Dean with Osama's face

"March 4, 2004 — As Mark Twain once put it, "A truth is not hard to kill and a lie told well is immortal."

..."On November 7, 2003, a strange new group no one had ever heard of called "Americans for Jobs & Healthcare" was quietly formed and soon thereafter began running a million dollar operation including political ads against then-frontrunner Democratic presidential candidate Howard Dean. The commercials ripped Dean over his positions or past record on gun rights, trade and Medicare growth. But the most inflammatory ad used the visual image of Osama bin Laden as a way to raise questions about Dean's foreign policy credibility. While the spots ran, Americans for Jobs—through its then-spokesman, Robert Gibbs, a former Kerry campaign employee—refused to disclose its donors.

..."The Dean campaign cried foul, but no one, including the news media, could figure out exactly who was behind "Americans for Jobs." The disturbing mystery was partly solved by Jim VandeHei of the Washington Post on February 11, after reviewing public Internal Revenue Service records filed under Section 527 of federal tax law. Unfortunately for voters and the general public, that legal disclosure information was filed January 30, 2004, nine days after the Iowa caucuses in which Massachusetts Senator John Kerry upset former Vermont governor Howard Dean. Those contribution records were updated again with another $337,000 in donations on March 4, 2004, for a total of exactly $1 million that the group raised.

...."Americans for Jobs was a street rumble after dark, in which donors or fundraisers for the major Democratic presidential candidates then overshadowed by Dean—Kerry, Rep. Richard Gephardt, and retired General Wesley Clark—all piled on. Labor unions that had publicly endorsed Gephardt accounted for a fifth of the money—the International Longshoremen's Association ($50,000), the Laborers' International Union of North America ($50,000), the International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers ($100,000), the International Association of Ironworkers ($25,000) and the International Brotherhood of Boilermakers ($5,000). A former Dean donor, former Slim-Fast Foods businessman S. Daniel Abraham, gave $200,000. Past Kerry donor Bernard Schwartz, chairman of Loral Space and Communications—the tenth leading donor to the Democratic Party, giving $5.3 million over the years—chipped in $15,000. A top money chaser for Wesley Clark, Alan Patricof, also donated to this shadowy group."
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tnlefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 01:37 PM
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37. I was so busy during that time that I either missed or forgot
Edited on Tue Aug-10-10 01:38 PM by tnlefty
about it over the years, but I had no idea that Fibby Gibbs had anything to do with it.

Thanks. :puke:
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philly_bob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 02:59 PM
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42. Important background on Gibbs. (nt)
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 12:32 PM
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21. k n r -- nice observations.
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waiting for hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 12:34 PM
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22. K&R
There are no longer two parties, it's the party for the corporations. New Democrats? Sound like recycled republicans to me.
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 12:35 PM
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23. K&R for the truth.
Edited on Tue Aug-10-10 12:36 PM by Sebastian Doyle
Fuck Gibbs & the DLC slander campaign against REAL Democrats, which began with the assault on Howard Dean in December 2003 and continues to this day. :grr:
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 08:25 PM
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54. Fuck them, and work for the DFA - get REAL liberals in power
You know the DLC hates progressives more than they do Republicans.

http://www.democracyforamerica.com/activities/357-dean-corps-organizer-application
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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 04:48 AM
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80. They don't hate Republicans
They're on their knees giving them oral pleasures in public.
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 12:38 PM
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25. When the Democratic Party spews right-wing rhetoric at the left, something's rotten in Denmark.
Well said, madfloridian.

-Laelth
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 01:01 PM
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31. It shows contempt.
It really does.

And saying we need to take a drug test? Just insulting.
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 07:54 AM
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61. +1
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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 12:41 PM
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27. Fantastic post, madfloridian.
*sigh* I am so tired of being marginalized.


The master plan has worked up to this point. But honestly, I can't wait to see it come back and bite them in the ass, cause I know it's going to...eventually. In the meantime.... :grr:
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 12:41 PM
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28. You knocked it out of the ballpark, MadFloridian
Thank you. :thumbsup:
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Political Tiger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 12:43 PM
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29. Michael Moore:
“The reason why I believe I’ve had this very fortunate success in reaching a wider audience than anyone on the left gets to reach is because I actually put the entertainment and the art before the politics,” Moore said. “It’s very hard for someone on the professional left to put anything ahead of the politics, and that’s why they lose out.


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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 12:47 PM
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30. Well, diddle me with a boomerang!
:wow:
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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 09:52 AM
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68. Out of context quotes trying to establish a false equivalence are many things, but a boomerang?
Cheap laughable desperate demagogy, seeing the DLC sink to this level is amusing and entertaining. I'll get the popcorn, LOL.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 05:16 AM
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81. Yeah, because it comes back and hits you in the head
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 01:10 PM
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32. K&R for some truth. n/t
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 01:13 PM
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33. I dunno, but I'd like to find them...

It would be cool to get paid.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 01:25 PM
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34. Recommend
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 01:32 PM
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35. My best would be on the same PR firm that gave us...
My best would be on the same PR firm that gave us "sensible centrist", "nanny state", "socialist" (as a pejorative), "gun grabbers", "sheeple", and an entire host of self-validating put-downs.

It seems a very effective re-branding effort though, and I imagine it will get the same traction that its aforementioned brethren do.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 01:36 PM
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36. Ok.... I admit it.... It was me.


My bad.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 02:45 PM
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41. Boy is Ralph Johansonseneth III going to be pissed.


He is claiming it was him.
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 01:38 PM
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38. Probably dreampt up in some Anarchist Collective Corporate coffee house...nt
Sid
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 08:04 AM
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63. I think you mean "Anarcho-Syndicalist". :-)
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mike r Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 01:38 PM
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39. It's like the professional Cadillac-driving welfare recipient
just a RW code word.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 02:44 PM
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40. Yep, RW code words used against Dems by Dems.
And that should never happen.

:hi:
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 08:04 AM
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64. Who buys vodka and lobster.
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 05:19 PM
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44. K &R & Thank You (Again) (nt)
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 05:21 PM
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45. Someone in Oklahoma coined the term?????
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 05:32 PM
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46. K & R nt
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sofa king Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 05:48 PM
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47. Hey! I was part of the "professional left."
I used to do research for law firms that represented Indian tribes, which is considered a "liberal" field because it involves trying to get the government to enforce treaty law, the highest law of the land.

No, really. Indian Affairs is "liberal" because we force the government to follow its own laws. It's a liberal fucking thing to allow tribal governments to use the special legal status guaranteed to them, in writing, forever, in recognition of the previous evils we committed against them.

And "conservative," as we have seen, means contempt for the law, except when it benefits the criminals in charge. Conservatives like Tom DeLay and Jack Abramoff rip off Indians, because conservatives know that the law only applies to those who can't spend their way above it or talk their way out of it.

You know what the "professional left" like me wants? WE WANT THE FUCKING LAW ENFORCED. What is a person like me supposed to think of those who don't?
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highplainsdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 06:24 PM
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49. K&R
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 06:29 PM
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50. Recommended
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 06:34 PM
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51. K&R!
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 06:36 PM
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52. I sure do like you a lot, madfloridian
:)
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 09:41 PM
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55. ....
the feeling is mutual. :-)
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 06:38 PM
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53. Thanks for putting this out there.
I hope that the left has had enough.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 12:14 AM
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56. I rather doubt it.
We are gluttons for punishment. :shrug:
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 07:07 AM
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57. The amateur right?
Edited on Wed Aug-11-10 07:11 AM by Joe Chi Minh
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 07:20 AM
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59. It's all about moving the frame rightward.
What's most maddening to me is how fast Democrats have run away from the term "Liberal." Time and time again, pukes and the right are "allowed" to introduce the terms of the debate.

Smirko, during the debates with Gore and Kerry, called the men "Liberals" to their face. Neither one said, "That's right. I'm proud to be a Liberal. Liberals fought a revolution to create this country. Liberals made this country what into the greatest nation on the face of the earth. And Liberals will save this country in the future. That's why you should vote for me. I know how to make America better for ALL Americans. That is truly Liberal."

Instead (paraphrasing), it was "Let's not let labels interfere with the issues..." blah blah. See? Conservatives are better because We the People can't handle ideas like definitions.

Thus, with no surviving leaders thinking in terms of progress, there is no progressive or liberal voice in a position of being able to introduce liberal or true progress. Without those terms, many, if not most, voters have no clue about what can be done, let alone what is at stake in the election. Without adequate terms, the rhetoric of the right prevails.

Even though I've never taken or made a cent off my politics, madfloridian, please count me as a member of the "Professional Left." That's what Democrats are supposed to be -- or at least we were until Lee Atwater and the boys made "Liberal" into a dirty word.
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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 10:05 AM
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69. In all fairness, neither Kerry nor Gore (or Obama for that matter) are/were liberals
so I can understand them shying away from being called a liberal.

What I can't really grasp is why these moderate conservative weaklings feel entitled to the unconditional support of liberals, and why liberals have obliged for so long to support a political platform which not only had little interests in liberal policies and interests... but it is clear now it has shown utter contempt for liberal positions and individuals. In fact we can safely say that a big chunk of the Dem leadership has a larger degree of contempt for the left, than they do for the GOP. Witness the 2000 debacle, when most of the energy was put on blaming the outcome of Gore's monumentally inept campaign on a non issue like Nader, than they did in actually fighting things like the recount or neutralizing a nitwit like Bush who should have never been allowed to gain so many votes under a normal campaign right after a relatively successful presidency like Clinton's.


The relationship between the left and the Dem party is dysfunctional to the extreme: we're expected to be the whores, do all the work, and pay for the screw. And we better not complain about that or else we're being "bad team players."

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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 09:43 AM
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66. This is really good work
You are a force of nature, and you do strong research. I'd admire the work even if I did not agree with it, but of course I do.
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Morning Dew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 10:05 AM
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70. Oh my.
What a great OP.

Bookmarked.
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keepCAblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 11:20 AM
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72. you forgot "radical left"...another pejorative attempt to marginalize liberals
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Senator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 11:34 AM
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73. They didn't "win" the Dem Soul, just "securitized" it.
So now we're all saddled with the toxic asset.

The continuing saga of Our Lamest Generation.

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Capitalocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 12:29 PM
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74. Smells like union-busting to me.
Seriously. What I mean by that is it sounds like the kind of rhetoric people use against unions... that union leadership are corrupt, that they're just in it for the money, that look, the guy who runs the union is making more than the workers... He's saying "professional agitators", and it doesn't surprise me coming from a White House which has embraced the fascism practiced by its previous occupants.
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 03:38 PM
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76. +1000
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 03:41 PM
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77. Frank Luntz?
Yes it comes from the same school.
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 06:19 PM
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78. Jeebus, Mad!
You're on a roll!

:yourock:
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 10:49 PM
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79. Who? Those who know their other insults don't work -- "purists" - "idealists" --
Edited on Wed Aug-11-10 10:51 PM by defendandprotect
"elite left" -- "they want a pony left" --

They know it's all gone --

And we're face to face now with this deception -- and they don't like losing the ability

to continue to alibi.

I'm also worried that this is a signal to the networks -- MSNBC -- re Olberman, Maddow,

Schultz -- and radio talk shows -- that the administration won't tolerate any more.

Let's see if this puts a chill on these shows?

How can the administration deny what the left is saying when it is being reflected througout

the liberal media? That's inconvenient! You have to be able to at least have a shot at

trying to embarrass the left for wanting universal health care and an end to wars!!


Remember when it used to be only the right wing that wanted to left to please STFU???





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