Since when can't Democrats compromise?

Herr Garbitsch

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Tue Aug-10-10 02:16 PM
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Since when can't Democrats compromise?

I always believed that our country was built on compromise and that any ideology that didn't allow for it, like fascism, was perverse. I was especially under the impression that Democrats understood the value of compromise.

Something seems to have gone off the rails.

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FSogol

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Tue Aug-10-10 02:17 PM
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1. Getting 0% of what you want and 100% of what the other guy wants

is not really a 50-50 compromise. Just saying.

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Nicholas D Wolfwood

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Tue Aug-10-10 02:19 PM
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4. That's funny - I'm pretty sure 100% of what Republicans want was nothing at all.

And yet we've gotten so very much more than that. Just saying.

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derby378

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Tue Aug-10-10 02:18 PM
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2. Shall we compromise with neo-fascists?

Who do you think is driving the teabaggers forward? High Times subscribers?

The time has come for Democrats to stand their ground. If we don't stand for something, we'll fall for anything, and then what good will our party be to anyone?

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dflprincess

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Tue Aug-10-10 02:18 PM
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3. There's a difference between compromise and capitulation

or worse, complicity.

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Herr Garbitsch

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Tue Aug-10-10 02:31 PM
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9. No there isn't, actually.

The Founding Fathers compromised on the issue of slavery. It was definitely a capitulation, but what would have happened if they hadn't capitulated?

It's not as clear cut as you're making it out to be. Not everything is black and white.

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dflprincess

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Tue Aug-10-10 02:50 PM
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16. But they didn't capitulate on everything

if they had, there would have been no Declaration at all.

The slavery "compromise" that made its way into the Constitution is what caused the real problems; coming back to bite the country in the ass in 1861 and, in many ways, haunting us to this day. It should be taken as a lesson that compromising on principles and giving in to conservatives is just not apt to end well.

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DJ13

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Tue Aug-10-10 02:19 PM
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5. Compromise is giving in when the other side is so far to the right

The kind of compromise you remember was between true statesmen (regardless of party), but the right is now closer to Stalin than to Eisenhower, so compromise is no longer a good idea.

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Individualist

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Tue Aug-10-10 02:21 PM
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6. The party is what went off the rails when DLC took control

Enabling neocons is NOT compromise; it's complicity.

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Herr Garbitsch

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Tue Aug-10-10 02:28 PM
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7. Why shouldn't I think this rhetoric is off the rails?

DLC, as in Harold Ford?

Good grief, man. I'm not talking about enabling neocons. Quite the contrary.

How about not playing into the neocon strategy of sewing discord and discontent? Does that mean anything to you?

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Individualist

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Tue Aug-10-10 02:31 PM
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10. Save the distortions and condescension for the gullible.

Fuck DLC!

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Herr Garbitsch

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Tue Aug-10-10 02:36 PM
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11. I'm really glad that I have a healthy attitude.

Too much anger is toxic. It might even make one blow up at a total stranger for no reason.

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Guy Whitey Corngood

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Tue Aug-10-10 02:31 PM
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8. I've seen plenty of "compromise" in my lifetime. There was compromise during the Iran-Contra

hearings, the bloated military budget, supreme court nominees, the 2000 election, The Iraq Invasion, corrupt lawyers nominated as AGs, incompetent hacks as Secretaries of State, illegal wiretapping, the health insurance and financial reform bills and on and on. Where exactly are lacking in compromises?

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Herr Garbitsch

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Tue Aug-10-10 02:38 PM
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12. Actually I was trying to distinguish Democrats from those people.

You are a Democrat? Right?

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Guy Whitey Corngood

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Tue Aug-10-10 02:41 PM
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13. So no Democrats voted for or compromised during any of the situations mentioned above?

Edited on Tue Aug-10-10 02:42 PM by Guy Whitey Corngood

You posses reading comprehension skills? Right? I'll ask again Where are we lacking in "compromise"?

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Herr Garbitsch

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Tue Aug-10-10 02:44 PM
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14. There's nothing wrong with my reading comprehension, friend.

I didn't jump on you. Address me with the proper respect and I'll talk to you.

Jump on me like this and I won't.

How's that for compromise?

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Guy Whitey Corngood

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Tue Aug-10-10 02:47 PM
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15. Oh noes! Listen if you can't understand a straightforward statement or answer a simple question.

Edited on Tue Aug-10-10 02:50 PM by Guy Whitey Corngood

Then please don't bother. You'll be doing us both a favor, friend............ Wanna hug it out? :hug:

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Herr Garbitsch

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Tue Aug-10-10 02:53 PM
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17. Is picking a fight like this against the rules at DU?

A hug isn't necessary. Common courtesy and socially acceptable behavior would suffice.

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Guy Whitey Corngood

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Tue Aug-10-10 02:56 PM
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19. Wait, I thought you said you wouldn't talk to me. And no it isn't. If you would have

Edited on Tue Aug-10-10 02:59 PM by Guy Whitey Corngood

replied to the statement posted and not gone off on some silly tangent as common courtesy dictates then it would all be roses by now.

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Herr Garbitsch

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Tue Aug-10-10 03:02 PM
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21. Why do you want be this way?

Seriously, what do you get out of it? Do you imagine you're funny? Do you imagine you're clever? Do you imagine that I care?

Do you have a peanut gallery somewhere cheering you on?

Really, I've seen this kind of behavior on the internet so many times and I'd really like to understand what compels people to act like this. Do tell.

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Statistical

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Tue Aug-10-10 03:06 PM
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24. Be what "way"?

Edited on Tue Aug-10-10 03:09 PM by Statistical

He asked a question you ignored it.
He pointed that out. Somewhat snarkily but that is what you get for completely ignoring the question.

I'll copy it for you since you seem to be lost:

Guy Whitey Corngood said:

Ive seen plenty of "compromise" in my lifetime. There was compromise during the Iran-Contra hearings, the bloated military budget, supreme court nominees, the 2000 election, The Iraq Invasion, corrupt lawyers nominated as AGs, incompetent hacks as Secretaries of State, illegal wiretapping, the health insurance and financial reform bills and on and on. Where exactly are lacking in compromises?

You said:

Actually I was trying to distinguish Democrats from those people.

Your statement implies Democrats didn't compromise when the thing you were responding to was a LIST of times Democrats did compromise.

Care to answer his question now? Where exactly are (we) lacking in compromises?

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Guy Whitey Corngood

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Tue Aug-10-10 03:09 PM
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26. 1 It is the way it is. 2 Nothing. 3 Not more than say...Carrot Top. 4 See # 3. 5 Don't give a shit.

Edited on Tue Aug-10-10 03:23 PM by Guy Whitey Corngood

6 Don't think so, but if you know of one let me know.

See that. I actually make an effort to answer questions presented to me.

I've seen this kind of behavior on the web plenty of times as well. "Hey everybody I'm going to post some generalization so that everybody can see how great i am. Then when asked a simple question regarding my vague statement I get all soooo insulted. Why I never."

As far as to what compels.....I guess I'm just evil. :evilgrin:

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Statistical

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Tue Aug-10-10 03:04 PM
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23. So answer the question....

Edited on Tue Aug-10-10 03:12 PM by Statistical

Democrats compromised in all the situations listed.

So where do you get this idea that Democrats never compromise from?

Can you name a single instance where Democrats DIDN'T compromise?

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Touchdown

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Tue Aug-10-10 02:55 PM
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18. Compromise? Like we vote for them and they work for corporate fat cats

And corporate fat cats give to the GOP and so we have to work and vote for them again?

It's the human centipede! Who gets to eat the shit?

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End Of The Road

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Tue Aug-10-10 03:02 PM
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20. What, exactly, do you want Dems to compromise on?

And, to paraphrase you, we may indeed be saturated in that ideology that doesn't allow for it. At least we seem to be headed in that direction.

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WinkyDink

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Tue Aug-10-10 03:04 PM
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22. When you give the other side what they want too often, it is no longer "compromise".

Besides, isn't it always REPUBLICANS who call for "bi-partisanship"? Find examples there.

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Tierra_y_Libertad

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Tue Aug-10-10 03:06 PM
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25. When don't Democrats compromise? Usually to the loss of the people?

See "compromises" on HCR, bank bailouts, personal privacy, military funding, education, the environment, you name it.

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