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Newsjock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 03:03 PM
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Prop. 8 appellants don't even have standing to appeal, judge writes
https://ecf.cand.uscourts.gov/cand/09cv2292/files/Final_stay_order.pdf

... Proponents replied that they have an interest in defending Proposition 8 but failed to articulate even one specific harm they may suffer as a consequence of the injunction.

... If, however, no state defendant appeals, proponents will need to show standing in the court of appeals.

... Proponents’ intervention in the district court does not provide them with standing to appeal.

... In light of those concerns, proponents may have little choice but to attempt to convince either the Governor or the Attorney General to file an appeal to ensure appellate jurisdiction. As regards the stay, however, the uncertainty surrounding proponents’ standing weighs heavily against the likelihood of their success.

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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 03:05 PM
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1. In a nutshell, hating does not give one legal standing...
Good.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 03:07 PM
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2. He's right. Interveners who are not directly affected by the
decision have no standing.
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Kerrytravelers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 03:07 PM
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3. Translation: Being a bigot doesn't mean you get your way.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 03:11 PM
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4. Oh I'm enjoying this. Nt
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zipplewrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 03:13 PM
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5. I never thought of this
Who was the "defendant" in this case? Who argued "for the state"?
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Iggo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 03:35 PM
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15. The Governor and the Attorney General of California...
....were among several named defendants.

They chose not to defend. The proponents of Prop 8 were referred to as the "intervenors", and they were allowed to argue in court, but I don't think they were officially arguing "for the state."

I'm not a legal expert, and maybe you can get a better legal explanation than that.

But that's basically how it went down. I think.
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zipplewrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 03:39 PM
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16. Wow
I'm a bit surprised they were allowed to argue at all, without the specific authorization of the state. That does put them on a very shallow footing to appeal.
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 03:13 PM
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6. That clarification KICKS ASS!
SUCK IT, BIGOTS!!!

:headbang:
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Spheric Donating Member (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 03:45 PM
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17. My favorite line from the ruling (in context).
Edited on Thu Aug-12-10 03:47 PM by Spheric
The second factor asks whether proponents will be harmed if enforcement of Proposition 8 were enjoined. Proponents argue that irreparable harm will result if a stay is not issued because “a state suffers irreparable injury whenever an enactment of its people * * * is enjoined.” Doc #705 at 9-10 (citing Coalition for Economic Equity v Wilson, 122 F3d 718, 719 (9th Cir 1997)). Proponents, of course, are not the state. Proponents also point to harm resulting from “a cloud of uncertainty” surrounding the validity of marriages performed after judgment is entered but before proponents’ appeal is resolved. Doc #705 at 10. Proponents have not, however, alleged that any of them seek to wed a same-sex spouse. <emphasis added> Proponents admit that the harms they identify would be inflicted on “affected couples and * * * the State.” Id. Under the second factor the court considers only whether the party seeking a stay faces harm, yet proponents do not identify a harm to them that would result from denial of their motion to stay.


:rofl:

Rock on, Judge Vaughn Walker!

:headbang:

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Hosnon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 03:56 PM
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19. No kidding. Nothing is better than a well-reasoned judicial smack-down. nt.
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Spheric Donating Member (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 04:17 PM
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21. I agree. I just can't help but feel that there had to be the slightest bit of irony...
in adding that line even though it is factually true and fully relevant to his decision.

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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 05:25 PM
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26. Oh, SNAP!
Judge Walker belong on the SCOTUS!
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Hosnon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 03:19 PM
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7. Enter the political calculation. Does California not appeal and keep gay marriage safe within its
Edited on Thu Aug-12-10 03:20 PM by Hosnon
borders? Or does California appeal, risk its victory, but possibly provide equal rights nationwide?

ETA: I say APPEAL!
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racaulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 03:21 PM
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9. It's a gamble, to be sure.
I sure would feel a lot better about the decision if Obama could replace Scalia and Thomas, though. :hi:
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sfwriter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 03:22 PM
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11. Take this to the Supreme Court baby...
I'll bet they refuse it or hear it and rule in favor of striking 8 down. Either way, Marriage becomes the law of the land, gay or straight.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 03:24 PM
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13. Gov and attorney general have refused to defend H8 so far. n/t
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libnnc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 03:21 PM
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8. In the words of Yukon Cornelius....
They got "Nnn...uthin'"



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Kerrytravelers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 09:43 PM
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28. OMG. Not to change the subject, but my Pitter-pat has the same chicken hat.



I almost thought you had a picture of my furkid at first! :rofl:
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 03:22 PM
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10. that's because they never thought to tie it to the Constitution
They're homophobes and thought that everyone would just shut up and take the shit if people voted for it. The fact that it's un-Consitutional never crossed their puny little hate filled minds.
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Ruby the Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 03:23 PM
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12. The CA Governors election just got a WHOLE lot more interesting.
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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 03:33 PM
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14. HA ha! nt
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 03:53 PM
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18. No standing, no decency, no nothing.
All they have is hate and fear.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 04:08 PM
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20. Wait! You mean, "I somehow got my panties in a wad!" doesn't confer standing?
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Spheric Donating Member (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 04:35 PM
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22. LOL! Darn their luck! /nt
Edited on Thu Aug-12-10 04:35 PM by Spheric
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Guy Whitey Corngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 04:49 PM
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23. It does if you refer back to the landmark "Victoria's Secret vs. Fruit Of The Loom" case. nt
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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-10 02:34 PM
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29. Problem is, this approach backfires on other public policy questions like environment nt
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 05:08 PM
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24. The best lines about lack of standing:
"Proponents also point to harm resulting from “a cloud of uncertainty” surrounding the validity of marriages performed after judgment is entered but before proponents’ appeal is resolved. Doc #705 at 10. Proponents have not, however, alleged that any of them seek to wed a same-sex spouse."

;-)
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 05:23 PM
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25. Now that's a Smackdown!
Edited on Thu Aug-12-10 05:24 PM by Odin2005
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 05:33 PM
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27. Heh.
K & R :thumbsup:
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