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Erose999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 09:42 AM
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France deporting gypsies... anybody else following this?

Caught a minute of it on the BBC this AM but didn't have time to follow it much.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11020429
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uncommon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 09:45 AM
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1. This mirrors our own immigration policy of late...
and both are pretty sucktastic.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 09:46 AM
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2. k/r
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UndertheOcean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 09:46 AM
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3. Why ?
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 09:56 AM
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4. What did the "gypsies" do?
Oh, you mean the poor people who live in tent cities and caravans?
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Erose999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 10:02 AM
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7. I don't mean "gypsy" in a perjorative sense. They are actual Romaines being deported to Romania and

other places in Eastern Europe.
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 10:12 AM
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12. The Roma are not all from Eastern Europe.
Eastern Europeans often get a little pissed when, ethnically speaking, the Roma are referred to as Romanians, Bulgarians, or the like.

They are not. They are Roma.

Gypsy is a slur.
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 10:38 AM
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16. I know you didn't. I am assuming that France is deporting them
because they are poor. Is there another reason France is fabricating for this?
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piratefish08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 09:59 AM
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5. must not have had the correct papers.
how very Arizona-like of them.
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reggie the dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 10:11 AM
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11. except that you dont need any papers
Citizens of any EU country are supposed to be able to live in any EU country they choose.
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 10:38 AM
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15. Romanians
are entitled to visa free travel to France but do not have a right to work there or receive welfare benefits. France can hold out on that until 2015 when the transition period expires.
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reggie the dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 10:59 AM
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17. they did like the uk did in the past with the Polish
but it is a legal grey area as french corporations have been able to relocate in romania just fine, is the EU jurisprudence here, how legal are these 'transition periods' and if they can indeed deport them why are the french offering 300 euros to people to get them to leave? i think france is afraid to enforce their transition period law fearing that eu courts would overturn it if they used it.
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 11:18 AM
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18. I chose Romania as an example
It doesn't follow that the people concerned in this instance are in fact Romanian.

When did the UK deport Poles ?
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 10:02 AM
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6. It's in LBN:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4509712
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DirkGently Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 10:04 AM
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8. Heard this on NPR. They're being offered $300-something
per adult to exit the country. Is this a case of blaming a flailing economy on the convenient target of immigrants?

Sounds kind of familiar.
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reggie the dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 10:12 AM
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13. they are offering them money because they cannot deport them
the people must choose to leave france because as romanians or bulgarians they are EU citizens and can live in any EU country they choose.
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 10:06 AM
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9. I wonder if this has anything to do with the playboy president
and his wife who models? I remember when the presidents first wife refused to eat hot dogs with the bush clan.

French President Nicolas Sarkozy and his wife Carla Bruni have reportedly banned locals from a popular beach on the French Riviera, according to the Daily Mail UK.

Signs were posted on May 13 reading "No Entry" on the beach frequented by Sarkozy and Bruni, and policemen and cameras have been monitoring the area. Bruni's family has a holiday home nearby, but not their own beach.

Vacationers and residents were told the area was off limits due to falling rocks but they aren't buying it.http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/09/sarkozy-bruni-ban-locals_n_606016.html
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reggie the dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 10:10 AM
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10. I dont know how they are going to do this,
normally we have the right to live in any EU nation we choose so long as we are EU citizens which Romanians have been for the past few years. It is the French govt. playing off of peoples racism to gain popularity.
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 10:27 AM
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14. As one who has lived in Eastern Europe over 3 years and is very familiar with Roma I will tell you.
This situation is deeper than simple ethnic bias...but that bias is only half of the problem. The real crux of the situation runs much deeper.

There are two parties that need to correct their actions.
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