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arbusto_baboso Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 12:29 PM
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So, that "christian" church that's going to burn Qurans... do they know the Quran contains
books from the christian Bible?

Do they realize they will also be burning what is also contained in their own holy books?

OMG these people are so fucking hateful and stupid I can't find the words to express my disgust for them!
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 12:31 PM
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1. Not very Christian of them, is it?
“I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.” ~ Mahatma Gandhi

“There is nothing that wastes the body like worry, and one who has any faith in God should be ashamed to worry about anything whatsoever.” ~ Mahatma Gandhi
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 12:33 PM
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4. Actually it is. Christianity has a long tradition of censorship. nt
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Dont_Bogart_the_Pretzel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 12:47 PM
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12. and just try to count how many times the bible been changed over the years










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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 01:02 PM
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21. Let's see..........
ancient Sanskrit to Greek to Latin to Old English to Middle English to Modern English...............and what ever came in bewteen?
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pnorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 02:30 PM
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33. I can put that graphic to good use. Thanks!
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Dont_Bogart_the_Pretzel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 03:02 PM
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41. Go for it!
But you did confuse me a little when I looked at this thread and saw this picture again... I don't "remember" posting anything else. :rofl:




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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 12:48 PM
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13. I'm speaking of the definition...
Not the actions. I'm a recovering Fundy... I left the church when my music ministry was being censored. Oh Happy Day... really? That's "The Devil's Music?" I kid you not. I rocked the pulpit... if I do say so myself... and was publicly ridiculed for it. Bastiges are still on my last nerve 30 years later... still recovering apparently. Jesus doesn't need their hypocrisy.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 01:06 PM
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23. I recall hearing a woman TV preacher sing that song.
I think her name is Melissa Scott. While I don't agree with relying on holy writ as authority, I have to say I was impressed with her knowledge of the subject. In particular she seemed very well versed in the Greek, Hebrew and Aramaic underpinnings of the Bible.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 02:01 PM
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30. I think she's a charlatan...
Like her late husband...



You know she's a former porn queen, right?

Barbie Bridges...

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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 02:49 PM
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37. I don't think her previous occupation discredits her present one.
But then I reject the whole sex-makes-you-impure thing anyway (as if purity is anything to brag about!)
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 04:43 PM
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48. She's an actress...
And she learned at the foot of the master charletan... and Beck stole the whole shtick of writing on boards from Dr. Gene.

When I was in college, we had big fun sitting around discrediting most everything Dr. Gene spewed... and his lovely widow is still spewing the same trash. It really is trash. Nothing biblical or correct about it.

I had more respect for her as a porn star... at least she wasn't trying to pass herself off as something else.

I have a real problem with people who steal money from people under the guise of "doing the Lord's work." I hope there is a special place in hell for them all.
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unapatriciated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 08:11 PM
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54.  I knew I had seen this stick before and couldn't place it.
He was one A** I was glad to forget about.
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 02:09 PM
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32. And of burning versions of the bible of which they don't approve.
I laugh when Catholics tell me they support placing copies of the Ten Commandments in public buildings. Those copies are invariably copies of the Protestant Ten Commandments. A few popes would have had bibles with that version of the TCs burned.
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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 12:39 PM
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6. Great post.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 12:32 PM
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2. Don't believe their mythical crap. Believe OUR mythical crap!
Sadly, book-burning is a long-honored Christian tradition and the volumes that made it onto the pyre were not all theistic nonsense. Who knows how many great works of writing have been lost forever.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 12:38 PM
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5. Christians burned the great library at Alexandria, didn't they? And I think during the
crusades they were particularly galled by the ARABIC, MUSLIM traditions of science and mathematics and medicine. So it's just a rerun of the ancient, ignorant hatemongering.......
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 12:41 PM
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8. Not to mention the libraries burned by the Conquistadors.
--imm
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 12:50 PM
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14. No they didn't.......burned in 48BCE
According to some historians, the library was started by Ceasar's soldiers during the Ptolemic war. Fire was supposed to be set to ships but the library caught fire as well.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 01:05 PM
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22. Sorry, my bad. But you must admit that those good Xtians have burned
more than their fair share of books in the meantime........
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 01:15 PM
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25. You may be thinking of Hypatia who was murdered by Christians...
...in the fifth century. She was a curator of the museum of Alexandria. IIRC in his show Cosmos, Carl Sagan describes both the destruction of the library and the murder of Hypatia together, but they do not seem to be contemporaneous events.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 01:12 PM
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24. There was a fire then, but the complete destruction was probably...
...during the third century, again at the hands of Romans.
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 02:33 PM
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34. Could be, historians differ on the actual events and time.
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deaniac21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 01:41 PM
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28. Here is a chance to speak with wisdom on the subject......
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 07:57 PM
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53. They killed Hypatia in Alexandria. She was the daughter of Theon
who was the last mathematician associated with the Museum of Alexandria.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 02:02 PM
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31. Yeah!
My mythical ancient texts supersede your mythical ancient texts! And my mythical ancient texts say I AM THE QUEEN OF THE WORLD!

You may begin worshiping me now:)
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arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 12:33 PM
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3. And the Book of Mormon is a-ok with them too
Though one could argue that Mormons have less in common with Christians than Muslims do. Of course, they would need to have an actual clue about such things.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 12:40 PM
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7. Actually, fundie christians are NOT ok with the BOM, lol. They'd burn
it and all the mormon churches down in a heartbeat if they thought they could get away with it.
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AnArmyVeteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 12:51 PM
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16. Early 'Mormins' were in the Americas when Jesus was alive.
And according to the Book of Mormon, Jesus appeared here in the Americas before he died. Of course their is not a shred of archeological evidence of any of their claims. Their book also claims they had metal alloys and plants in the Americas that didn't exist at the time in the Americas. They don't even know where these ancient 'Mormons' lived. It could be north, south or central America, but there is absolutely zero proof. It's amazing how one con man like Joseph Smith could start an entire religion even in relatively recent times.

The end of the world won't be caused by wars or Armageddon, it will end due to a willful ignorance that seems to easily consume the most primitive and gullible in any society.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 01:21 PM
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26. Yup and American Natives are descended from Jews.
And black skin is a divine curse. We have to respect these pronouncements as an equally valid religious belief.
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AnArmyVeteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 01:40 PM
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27. If people actually did what the Bible says no one would have eyes left.
They would all be 'plucked out'. And a lot of other body parts would be missing too. If fundamentalist Christians were in charge of our country people would be subjected to hideous, barbaric treatments equal to, or worse than the primitive punishments by other fundamentalist religions. Look at the laws republican 'Christians' have been trying to get passed. Fundamentalist Christians are as dangerous as Islamic fundamentalists.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 02:52 PM
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40. Punishment for picking up a stick on the sabbath?
Death.

For being a smart ass to ones parents?

Death.

For doubting that Yahweh is the supreme god?

Death.

For the thought-crime of coveting?

Death.

etc.
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AnArmyVeteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 03:19 PM
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43. As many times I have lusted for women I would be eyeless, even if I started with a trillion eyes.
Hell, if I started with a trillion eyes in my head I would still be blind because if I followed the Bible I would have had to pluck them out. The 'god' of love sure loves torture, mass murder and vengeance.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 12:42 PM
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9. RE: "do they know". This isn't about knowing anything. It's about reacting to stimuli
Edited on Thu Aug-19-10 12:43 PM by KittyWampus
fed to them by the Republicans and the Mediawhores. Their reptilian brain is activated by this nonsense and they aren't evolved enough to understand that or withstand it.
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Angry Dragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 12:46 PM
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10. To know what is in a book
requires one to actually read it
and we all know they just can not
be bothered to read something that
might make their eyes hurt, so better to burn it than
let someone else read it
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 12:46 PM
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11. Who is doing this? I must have missed it.
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Angry Dragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 07:35 PM
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52. A church in Florida(?) is planning on burning
the Quran on 9/11

A number of threads on DU about it
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Angry Dragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-10 07:48 AM
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57. This may help
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 12:50 PM
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15. Hateful and ignorant seem to be very comfortable companions. nt
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louis-t Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 12:53 PM
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17. "I don't have a problem with God....
it's his fan club that scares me."
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 12:54 PM
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18. +1
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 12:58 PM
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19. The Koran mentions Jesus 25 TIMES.
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 12:59 PM
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20. That's about 24 more times than He is mentioned in history books
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TygrBright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 01:42 PM
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29. That's okay, they burn those, too. n/t
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 02:34 PM
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35. Probably so. LOL!
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bik0 Donating Member (429 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 03:39 PM
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45. "mentioned" doesn't mean they accepted...
Edited on Thu Aug-19-10 03:42 PM by bik0
from your link...

>Like all prophets in Islam, Jesus is considered to have been a Muslim, as he preached that his followers should adopt the "straight path" in submission to God's will. Islam rejects the idea that Jesus was God incarnate or the son of God, that he was ever crucified or resurrected, or that he ever atoned for the sins of mankind. <

From my perspective Mohammed's mentions of Jesus appears to be an attempt to manipulate Christians to convert to Islam.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 03:56 PM
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46. That's true
But at least he's revered by Islam. So the fundies can't claim that Islam is "anti-Christian".
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bik0 Donating Member (429 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 04:04 PM
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47. revered? A lot less than Christianity...
not God,
not son of God,
not crucified,
not resurrected,


however Jesus is a muslim according to the Quaran... from a muslim point of view I guess that's reverence.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 09:38 PM
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56. That's the BIG problem with Christianity
Either you swallow the WHOLE package - That Christ is God, Son o' God, a Martyr and the Only Salvation (TM) or you're a blasphemer, an apostate, a desecrator.

Christianity has NEVER been a religion of compromise, seeking common points of agreement with ANY other religion. Indeed, even subsects of Christianity kill each other with frightening regularity - like in Ireland.

And yet, with all these common points, fundies STILL call Islam a "cult of death"

Considering the body count alone, The irony is staggering.
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 02:38 PM
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36. Can any Muslim help me out here?
I have browsed through the Qu'ran, and I have never seen anything resembling a book from the Christian Bible anywhere in the Qu'ran.

My own feeble understanding is that Muslims do place value on the Psalms of David, the Gospels of Jesus, the Torah, and a lost book known as the Suhuf Ibrahim, but I've never seen any of these bound up with the Qu'ran.
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 02:52 PM
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39. I think the OP meant that they both contain similar stories
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Adsos Letter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 02:50 PM
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38. ...



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Obamanaut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 03:03 PM
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42. List them. nt
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bik0 Donating Member (429 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 03:21 PM
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44. Bullshit... There are no "books from the christain Bible" in the Quaran
Edited on Thu Aug-19-10 03:43 PM by bik0
The Bible which is a collection of books of parables, advice and dreams by many authors over a vast period of time. The Bible is full of symbolism and open to interpretation. The Quran is the world view of one man written in one lifetime and is meant to be taken literally. The Quran is very specific and consists of mostly direct commands.

Anyone one who believes in the myth that all religions are the same or they all worship the same God doesn't know much about religion.

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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 04:49 PM
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49. I've read many books...
By Zen masters, Jesuit priests, and other religious leaders, who would disagree. In fact, there are many Jesuit Priest/Zen Masters... Google it. One book in particular even shows a grid with all the common denominators between the world's major cults... and all organized religions are cults.

Most of these experts will tell you that there are many different religions but there's only one God.

And the Quaran mentions Jesus many times. Buddha mentioned many "gods" in his teachings.
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bik0 Donating Member (429 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 06:21 PM
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50. I've read many books on Buddhism... nowhere did Siddhartha Gautama ever mention God.
Edited on Thu Aug-19-10 06:31 PM by bik0
Please name one Zen master who says there is a God. Nirvana in Zen is the knowledge/realization of "all is one and one is all". The awakened mind... to see the world as it is... without words and labels, this is the goal of Zen training. Zen Buddhism is more a science of mind than a religion.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 06:33 PM
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51. There are dozens... here's one...
Jesuit Fr. Robert E. Kennedy is an American Catholic priest and a Zen master (roshi).
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bik0 Donating Member (429 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 08:26 PM
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55. When he speaks of God is he speaking as a Catholic priest or a Zen Master?
It really doesn't matter, the point is... God is not central or even necessary in the teachings of Zen. There is no historical evidence that God has any role in Zen.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-10 11:50 AM
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61. I refuse to speak to people who move the goal post so often...
Ridiculous to ask a question then to say it means nothing. :eyes:

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bik0 Donating Member (429 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 10:41 AM
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64. move the goal post? I didn't know this was a competition...
I'll ask the question again - when the priest/Zen master speaks of God is he speaking as a priest or a Zen master?

It's a serious question. Your point if I'm understanding it correctly, is that the concept of or belief in God is part of Zen Buddhism. I simply disagree.

maybe this will help...

The refutation<1> of the notion of a supreme God or a prime mover is seen as a key distinction between Buddhism and other views. Hence, Buddhism is often aptly described as a "spiritual philosophy" whose sole aim is the complete alleviation of stress in samsara,<2><3> called nirvana. The Buddha explicitly rejects a creator,<4> denies endorsing any views on creation<5> and states that questions on the origin of the world are worthless.<6><7> Some theists beginning Buddhist meditation believe that the notion of divinity is not incompatible with Buddhism,<8> but belief in a Supreme God is eminently considered to pose a hindrance to the attainment of nirvana,<9> the highest goal of Buddhist practice.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_in_Buddhism



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DailyGrind51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-10 09:01 AM
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60. Judaism, Islam, and Christinaity all worship the God of Abraham.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-10 08:02 AM
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58. You think these ignorant 'morans'
have ever read any fugging book let alone the Quran?
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DailyGrind51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-10 08:03 AM
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59. It contains the first 5 books of the Old Testament.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-10 11:58 AM
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62. Which books from the Christian Bible are in the Quran?
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Soylent Brice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-10 12:08 PM
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63. reading, knowledge, these things are elitist, doncha know!?
just fer those damned libruls.

:dunce:

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