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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 02:50 PM
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Will The Bullies Win Again? Not if Al Franken Can Help It!
Edited on Thu Aug-19-10 03:32 PM by sabrina 1
The fabricated controversy over the Mosque and Community Center two blocks from the WTC has once again pitted the demands of bigoted, radical elements in our society against the rights guaranteed in our Constitution to all Americans.

The last time this kind of faux outrage was generated, the fearful reaction was swift and Shirley Sherrod lost her job and almost lost the reputation she built up over her lifetime.

ACORN was not as lucky as Sherrod, also the victims of the bigoted far right wing, because before the truth was finally established, Congress, and yes, including most Democrats, reacted swiftly and in the end, many decent people's lives and reputations were ruined and millions of poor, mostly minorities lost the advocacy they had come to rely on for over 40 years.

I could make a long list as time after time we, the 'left' end up reacting rather than taking control the moment it begins and the source is obvious.

Nancy Pelosi has wondered aloud 'who is funding' this latest supposed grass-roots movement. They didn't like her suggestion, which imho, means we should definitely do as she suggested, investigate.

Because if one of their non-profit groups is behind this political ploy, they should lose their non-profit status at the very least. I think Nancy is on the right track.

So, here we go again, with some even on the 'left' anxious to 'get this controversy behind us in an election year' suggesting we cave to the bullies, allow the lies they tell to go unchallenged and to deny the rights of U.S. citizens to be left in peace to conduct their business legally and under the protection of the Constitution.

A little information on the Imam and his sect eg, blows the whole Newt Gingrich/Sarah Palin 'terrorists in our midst' lie completely apart.

Here's a link that talks a little about just who is building this Mosque and Community Center and as you will see, if you didn't know already, these Muslims are as different from Al Qaeda as France is from the former Soviet Union. For one thing, the Imam is from the Sufi Sect but to the haters on the right, that means nothing, they are 'all the same'.

Sufis like the Feisal Abdul Rauf are reviled and targeted by al Qaeda. So why does Newt Gingrich pretend they're one and the same?

Speaker Newt Gingrich put his opposition to the project, which is two blocks away from the site where the World Trade Center once stood, in no uncertain terms this week: “The folks who want to build this mosque… are really radical Islamists,” he insisted on Fox News, before comparing Muslims -- presumably all of them -- to Nazis and the Axis-era Japanese.

Actually, Cordoba House, the proposed community center is spearheaded not by a “radical Islamist,” but by an Imam named Feisal Abdul Rauf, who previously worked as part of President George W. Bush’s Middle East peace team. Feisal is from the Sufi tradition of Islam -- a tradition deemed illegitimate by the thought police of al Qaeda, who adhere to the severe beliefs of the Wahhabi school. In fact, Sufis are frequent targets of al Qaeda and Taliban terrorists ....

The former Speaker of the House went on to assert, “Those folks don’t have any interest in reaching out to the community. They’re trying to make a case about supremacy.”


In a sane society, those statements by Gingrich would put him on the political trash heap, where I thought he was anyhow to be honest. They are, aside from being hateful, complete lies and probably actionable.

Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf worked for George Bush's Middle East Peace team! Because he himself, is in danger constantly from the extremists he is stupidly accused of being himself. He helped the FBI eg after 9/11 to understand the kind of extremism they were charged to deal with as opposed to those like himself, a longtime critic of extremism. He was highly respected then ...



More about this 'terrorist' Imam:

'Ground Zero Mosque' Imam Helped FBI With Counter-terrorism Efforts

Flash forward six-and-a-half years, and Feisal Abdul Rauf occupies a far different place in the political consciousness. The imam behind a controversial proposal to build an Islamic cultural center near those same FBI offices has been called "a radical Muslim," a "militant Islamist" and, simply, the "enemy" by conservative critics. His Cordoba House project, meanwhile, has been framed as a conduit for Hamas to funnel money to domestic terrorist operations.

For those who actually know or have worked with the imam, the descriptions are frighteningly -- indeed, depressingly -- unhinged from reality. The Feisal Abdul Rauf they know, spent the past decade fighting against the very same cultural divisiveness and religious-based paranoia that currently surrounds him.


It's not as though this information was hard to find. No, it was IGNORED because haters will not be deterred by facts and when GOOD PEOPLE remain silent, or worse, rush to appease the bullies, bad things happen, and keep happening.

So what are we going to do about it this time?

Cave once again, force the Imam to change his plans? Then what? If you thought this was only about that particular Mosque, you are wrong. They are targeting Mosques across the NYC and the entire country? At what point do we stand up to them?

I want to thank a few of those who already have taken a stand already:

President Obama for the eloquent words reminding people of our Constitutional Rights

Sen. Russ Feingold for being on the right side of this even though it is a political risk for you

Ted Oslen whose statement on not allowing one evil deed to cause us to become hateful was very moving

Mayor Bloomberg thank you for being a voice of reason on this.

And THANK YOU! THANK YOU! THANK YOU! Al Franken: :applause: :applause:



Al Franken: Conservative Criticism To Mosque 'Disgraceful,' Gingrich Nazi Comparison 'Offensive'

Sen. Al Franken (D-Minn.) said on Wednesday that conservative criticism of plans to develop a mosque and Islamic community center in close proximity to "Ground Zero" in New York City is "one of the most disgraceful things that I've heard."

"I don't know how many of you have been to New York, but if a building is two blocks away from anything, you can't see it," he said, according to the State Journal-Register.

“It’s a community center. They’re going to have a gym. They’re going to have point guards. Muslim point guards,” Franken said, to laughter and applause.

“They (Republicans) do this every two years. They try to find a wedge issue, and they try to work it.”


I am sad to see a few Democrats I respect get on the wrong side of this. I'm sorry but suggesting that this Imam move to another location even while recognizing his right not to do so, is the equivalent of saying to a Black Family (which we know has happened) 'look, you have the right to buy that house but it would be insensitive to all your white neighbors if you did'.

Do we really want to do that, again? Because of a few unhinged, insane radical haters?

To cower in fear so that they win again?

When we know what the right thing to do is?

I don't know about anyone else, but in my experience the best way to deal with bullies is to get in their face and never back down.

I hope those Democrats I respect, like Howard Dean eg, have learned a little more about this group as I still believe Howard did not have all the information when he made his statement, and will rethink his position on this.

Because being on the wrong side of a similar issue several decades ago haunted otherwise great Democrats like Sen. Byrd to his life-long regret, for the rest of his life and as he himself acknowledged, 'it will be part of my legacy' no matter how he tried to make up for it.

It's the right thing to do. Thanks Al! I knew we could count on you.












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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 03:40 PM
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1. Thank you for posting this. Al is doing a great job.
In your post, I'm not sure who is saying what, you, Al, or ????

I still like it though.

--imm
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 04:09 PM
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2. I think I either paraphrased or quoted Al's own words.
Edited on Thu Aug-19-10 04:18 PM by sabrina 1
He is great and I am so proud of him. Not to mention the fact that no one is better than Al at mocking the antics of the clowns on the right.

Edited to say most of the words that do not have a link, are mine. Al's are in the link under his photo. I just saw his statement as I was writing the OP and was so happy to see it, I edited to put it in the title. Sorry about the confusion.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 04:11 PM
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3. Ooops, I accidentally hit unrec while scrolling down. Sorry.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 04:20 PM
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4. No problem, thank you for taking the time to read
my OP, which is more important anyhow :hi:
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 04:20 PM
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5. Al is on the side of right here. It is a terribly sad shame that it stands out on such a basic issue
Or birth citizenship or the direct vote for the Senate.

Are we going to be talking about surrendering to the Crown next week? Jim Crow tomorrow? Suffrage at midnight?

What in the world is going on??? Progress? We can't get together on the fucking Magna Carta.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-10 06:47 AM
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12. He is and we can add one more Democrat, Jerry Nadler.
I think Nadler is one of my favorite members of Congress, he is consistently on the right side of the issues.

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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 04:31 PM
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6. At least a few Democrats are defending the Constitution
instead of collapsing like a house of cards like they did on ACORN.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 06:23 PM
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10. And at least one Republican
Ted Olsen surprised me with his statement but I'm glad he spoke out. This is the second time I've been pleasantly surprised by him. He seems to genuinely care about rights granted in the Constitution. At least judging by his more recent actions
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 04:34 PM
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7. I'm with Nancy Pelosi, who IS
funding the action. Why cant' someone find out. This is not spontaneous. All this crap can't get on the air and on everything else with some one not paying. It is a shame that the Democrats don't have someone who could investigate on their own and come up with an answer. Wish I could go their records......you know.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 04:39 PM
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8. Nancy is smart. She realizes that none of these sudden 'outrages'
that seem to come so close to elections are spontaneous.

What the 'Left' needs is a rapid response team ready to check out where these attacks are coming from. It would take a few hours probably, but it would help avoid embarrassing reactions such as the Shirley Sherrod case. Just looking at the source would have clued them in to the fact that they needed to do some furthe research before reacting.

My bet is on the gang behind the Tea-bagger movement. Rachel has already done the groundwork for them on uncovering that nasty little web of operatives pretending to be something they are not.

I am counting on Rachel to once again uncover who they are. She seems to have an excellent team of researchers on her staff.
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Ignis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 04:50 PM
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9. K&R
Thanks to those who are unafraid to take principled stands on this issue. :patriot:
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-10 04:05 AM
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11. They are great. And here's another group who
supports it also:

Jewish activists support ground zero mosque

Rabbi Arthur Waskow, of the Philadelphia-based Shalom Center, joined about 30 other religious leaders and Jewish activists Thursday at the spot where the Cordoba Initiative hopes to build an Islamic center that will include a mosque, an athletic center, a culinary school and art studios. Waskow says the mosque will help people learn more about Islam.



"Whenever there has been bloodshed allegedly in the name of one tradition or another, it's necessary to say, 'That's not what that tradition is about,'" Waskow, 76, said. "The Cordoba Initiative will keep saying that is not what Islam is about."


And a thank you to Deval Patrick also who is supporting it.
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DailyGrind51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-10 07:43 AM
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13. Al Franken has more than proven himself, would that more be like him!
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-10 10:36 AM
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14. Thanks for the awesome post, Sabrina! BTW Heard about this news from Cali?
60 California interfaith leaders to back ground zero Islamic center
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4511284
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-10 01:46 PM
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15. No, I hadn't seen that, Turborama
That is great news. If more people start standing up I am certain the support for this will grow.

Thanks for the link ...

Oh, and yes, Al is great!
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