Beck's God-Fest spooks some freepers (Beck=LDS, "not Christian")

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2579633/posts

All I know is God warned me specifically through a series of pointed dreams in early 2008, that I was not to pray with Mormons as this was going to be part of a coming judgement on America by God’s hand Himself.

In one dream, I specifically said to myself... “oh, I know those dumb Mormons have only a limited view of Jesus, and since MY view is so much clearer, it won’t hurt if I pray with them because we are in an EMERGENCY.”

God specifically nailed me for this false idea that it is okay to be unequally yoked with Mormons at any time. “Emergency” situation or not. They are not Christians but under God’s curse for daring to add to His covenant and besmirching the meaning of the Cross. They are counterfeit Christians, in other words, AntiChrist.

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Religious people didn't used to be this nutty -- did they??

if they can not tolerate each other........

I think it is time that every time a politician, a religious leader, or a common citizen invokes the name of god, they have to state very clearly what their god stands for so others can decide if that god is someone we want to believe in.

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Interesting that Mormons are almost all Republicans (I'm sure the authoritarian/male-dominated conned-servative culture is why) but I can't see Mitt or any other Mormon ever getting elected to National office if they are considered "not Christian" (or even "Anti-Christ") by big chunks of the base!

:D

Or we're just getting a glimpse of the real them because of the internet tubes. I'll say one thing, you can't make this shit up. Actually, I thought you did, until I looked at the link. Damn.

And speaking as a Liberal Mainline Protestant, their theology does stretch the basic definitions just a tad bit... The Conservative factions just outright dismiss them as Christians. As far as the social views of the LDS church is concerned with respect to Christian behavior, I also have my doubts.

I'm just saying they are not quite "Christian" in the standard sense. They follow a different text, and diverge substantially from the Bible.

And is only used three times, twice in the plural ("antichrists"). None of those, despite what you might reasonably think from popular culture, appear in the Book of Revelation.

There's this obsession lately (like, for the past 800 years or so) with identifying a single historical figure as "The Antichrist", but there's no particular Scriptural basis for that.

If somebody says "Christ is my savior" and etc. then they are a Christian?

Protestant and Catholic are almost identical compared to LDS. They have very divergent views with respect to Jesus, the Trinity, and Salvation. The theology diverges from the Bible substantially due to the use of a "later text," The Book of Mormon which is not recognized by other Christian denominations. Catholic and Protestant faiths on the other hand rely on the Bible, though they may disagree on Inerrancy.

On edit: typo

I guess the fanciful parts of the traditional bible was developed the same way, and the only difference is the multiple authors and the age of the text, so why should 2000 year old bullshit be any different then 150 year old bullshit.

At least the bible is more or less the descendant of oral traditions and common myths written down over the centuries. There's an element of truth to many of the stories, even if they're shrouded in mysticism.

Smith just made up a "history" of pre-Columbian America with no basis in reality and one that is demonstratively false based on archeology and scientific investigation.

But that's the nature of America. As long as everyone can choose their own path without interference or endorsement by the government, I'm happy.

In fact, there was a free floating tradition, featured in some popular books at the time from other authors, who told imaginative stories featuring the artifacts left behind by the Mound Builder Indians. For that reason Smith is often, with some justification, accused of plagiarizing his main points. And obviously, since great chunks of the Book of Mormon come word for word from the KJV, he didn't invent those, he just helped himself. For authenticiy, he even included the grammar errors in his perfect god-revealed book.

I really think that Beck and the leaders of his church will regret this little let's-steal-MLK stunt if it leads to a public discussion of their beliefs, which most of the mainstream Christians whose support they want would find bizarre and even offensive.

You could totally eviscerate Beck's (this goes for Mittens Romney too) standing among Christians simply by educating his followers on his religion.

Magic underwear

Teaching that all other religions are an abomination

The outer space planet stuff

Christ lived in North America

Etc....


Why won't we play as dirty as them and go after him on this?

i agree!! I think Mitt Romney's GOP opponents did this to him....I don't think any LDS could win any national office in the GOP.

It could be invaluable if it gets 10% of white evangelical Protestants to stay home or go third party.

That's the one that is probably most offensive to orthodox (and even, one would guess, quite a few unorthodox) Christians.

I've always wondered if Smith was just flat out crazy and believed his bulllshit, or a pathological liar, or a a merry hoaxer who found himself over his head but enjoyed the power he wielded by being the leader of a group of people who believed his bullshit.

Same for L. Ron Hubbard.

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his bullshit isn't any less believable than the bullshit in the bible.

The Mormon church faced A LOT of persecution in its early days. Even besides Joseph Smith's death at the hands of a lynch mob, other 'Christians' regularly attacked the Mormons physically.

I remember when I was at Fundie camp we were told the Mormons, Seventh Day Adventists, Jehova's Witnesses and Assembly of God were all 'Cults' with a capital C.

That is a curious collection to be lumped into.

I don't care what they believe, I'm all for driving this wedge in as far as it will go. Fundamentalism by any stripe is something we don't need in the halls of power in this nation. If this cuts both Romney and Palin off at the pass, go for it.

and that they were all going to hell for worshiping idols.

and favored recipient of revealed truth. Such a burden, so many enemies and Anti-Christs, so many heretics to burn, so many pagans to kill or convert. And some Christians just aren't Christian enough.

So, yes, they've always been this nutty, and worse. This gen hasn't figured out yet that if they should win their holy war, they'll start turning on each other with all the same bloody consequences as times before.

My god's better than your god, and if you don't like it we'll blow you up real good!

Or a RW Evangelical "God Boot Camp"??
Or a Catholic "God Boot Camp"??
What if you don't believe in his kind of God?
Or God at all?

Who decides who goes to the Re-education camps?
What about the First Amendment?
What would the Founding Fathers think?

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"God" speaking to you is a sign of mental illness...

Is why Mitt Romney is never going to be nominated, much less elected President.

The Jesus freaks don't want to hand over even a single talking point to the LDS missionaries who are currently trying to poach their flocks.

Interesting strategy. Stonewalling, I think it's called.

They all know what church he attends.

their only venue was a street corner...

Mormons believe that Christ was the son of God, died for humanity's sins and was resurrected - they just don't believe in the Trinity and they wrote that extra book that claims Jesus appeared in America or whatever.

I don't know. I don't understand all the separatism and hostility amongst religions. Those divisions are what drove me to agnosticism. The concept that one religion is right and all the others are wrong is (to me) the epitome of arrogance and the antithesis of spirituality.

The only religion that ever made sense is The Church of the Subgenius. No bullshit. No Pinks. All Slack. Just send your $30.00 and you're guaranteed ETERNAL SALVATION OR TRIPLE YOUR MONEY BACK.

http://www.subgenius.com/scatalog/membership.htm

I thought they were all the same just like them damn muslins that bombed us on 9-11 :silly:

:sarcasm:

Are you kidding me? Pick up a history book.