Why do we need a Department of Homeland Security?

Why would Obama continue some dumb ass dept that Bush started?

If Bush would have just read the memos the 9/11 attacks could have been prevented.

If the Pentagon and NORAD would have followed standard procedure already in place, the attacks could have been prevented.

How much money is being wasted on this orwellian Nazi department hired to spy on us and generally violate our Constitution?


I propose we end the Homeland Security Dept. We don't need it and we cannot afford it. We never had it before and we can certainly do without it.





We can then divert the money to the Department of People Security. Money will be used to create jobs refurbishing foreclosed homes(turning mcmansions into duplexes etc.) to provide housing for the millions of people who are homeless.


We need to start standing up to this government and DEMAND that they throw us a bone. WE know how much money they are wasting, how much they handed to their banker buddies, why do we let them treat us this way?

They(are supposed to) work for US and they can't do a single thing for the millions of people that are hurting because of their policies!!

When will we fight for the people these government policies have devastated?

So many people are hurting, struggling every day just to survive....who will speak for them? Who will fight for them?


One Million Homeless Children in America’s Schools
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x9039235

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I totally agree - this scam is one of the most egregous of all the Republican "less government" scams that they run.
It seems everytime we have a Rep in office, or in control, we get more government in the way of enforcement and curbed civil rights.
I saw a baseball special program the other day about the Marlins trip to Puerto Rico (and don't get me started on that!). Anyway, here's the team on the tarmac getting aboard their chartered plane. The nutso TSA thugs are wanding and frisking players, arms outstretched, as they board. I mean, is there a threat here? What are we paying these idiots to abuse us anyway?
Perhaps the only good for the TSA/DHS is keeping the unemployment figures down.

Homeland Security Act of 2002
As an official department created by law, it would be necessary to repeal that law and establish a different system of organization for the various departments that were placed there.

just as easily as it has been created, it can be dismantled.

They can not just vote it away, because all the bureaus that come under Homeland Security have to be reformed and whole new organizational structures must be created.

What I've noticed about law is that nothing can be just established or disestablished. It takes time, effort, and political capitol. Over 209,000 people worked in Homeland Security in 2007. Where do the go? Who will be their new bosses?

And what is the point of disestablishing Homeland Security? What would work better without it?

Democracy. The Constitution.

These bastards pretended they were incompetent on 9/11, then used their own "incompetence" to push this real attack on our freedoms.

from the Bush Administration who are serving in the present one. As long as they
are around, these departments will be around also.

we can't afford it.

If we cannot afford to pay out social security, we cannot afford homeland security.

It was designed as a means for all the assorted law enforcement and intelligence agencies to share information in order to better protect us against impending threats.

What Bush did with it is another story.

EDIT ADD: Excerpt from Al Franken's book Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them, entitled "Operation Ignore"

If we got rid of our empire we wouldn't need a homeland. We'd all be ordinary people who were at home or not at home.

:applause:

It was only created to make America into the fearful, cowering nation it is.

Besides, I've hated the word "homeland" since its inception. I still think that it lends itself to Nazi-speak.

9/11 changed everything, didn't you get the memo? We're stuck with DHS, forever, even the Afrikaaner agency name.

until a plane hit the pentagon over an hour after the towers.

I don't think any department of homeland security can fix that kind of 'stupid'.

Funny, Rummy was too busy eating danish and drinking coffee at the Pentagon to be notified. So, Cheney took over command at the White House bunker, according to Transportation Sec. Mineta.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDfdOwt2v3Y



Strangely, it all makes sense only if you're willing to accept the possibility of intentionality.

nt

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article25008.htm

Revealed: Ashcroft, Tenet, Rumsfeld warned 9/11 Commission about ‘line’ it ’should not cross’

By Sahil Kapur
Wednesday, March 17th, 2010 -- 9:11 am

Senior Bush administration officials sternly cautioned the 9/11 Commission against probing too deeply into the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, according to a document recently obtained by the ACLU.

The notification came in a letter dated January 6, 2004, addressed by Attorney General John Ashcroft, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld and CIA Director George J. Tenet. The ACLU described it as a fax sent by David Addington, then-counsel to former vice president Dick Cheney.

In the message, the officials denied the bipartisan commission's request to question terrorist detainees, informing its two senior-most members that doing so would "cross" a "line" and obstruct the administration's ability to protect the nation.

"In response to the Commission's expansive requests for access to secrets, the executive branch has provided such access in full cooperation," the letter read. "There is, however, a line that the Commission should not cross -- the line separating the Commission's proper inquiry into the September 11, 2001 attacks from interference with the Government's ability to safeguard the national security, including protection of Americans from future terrorist attacks."

The 9/11 Commission, officially called the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States, was formed by President Bush in November of 2002 "to prepare a full and complete account of the circumstances surrounding the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks" and to offer recommendations for preventing future attacks.

which are 25 times more likely to occur in your neighborhood than terrorist attacks.

maybe we should have a department of common sense

The Repukes WANT, no NEED to be controlled by a tyranical system of spies and survellance. They live in a state of constant FEAR that promotes the rise of organizations to watch them and their neighbors, for the off chance that one might be a terrorist. The Homeland Security is nothing more than an attempt to keep the illusion alive that communism just could not do after the fall of the Soviet Union. They didn't have the chance, until 9/11, to create an overwatch groups that violates everyones privacy rights daily. This is further, longterm work, to make the masses predictable and ignorant. Best way to rule, while stealing the masses money from the Treasury for a few big private companies. See? 9/11 means no oversight of the free market...just draconion measures to take away individuals personal rights and liberties.

That is why they created the DHS.

Cash cow for the MIC and fear machine.

K&R

wasn't generating enough profits for the military-industrial complex.

wasn't generating enough profits for the military-industrial complex.

Bush said it would be too cumbersome and just add layers of bureaucracy without actually improving inter-agency communication. But this was just after 9/11 and Democrats were running scared looking for any way to appear "tough", so we pressured the Republicans into making it. For once in W's life, he was right.

Not that I blame the Democrats for the fiasco it became under Bush's administration. This was a reorganization the size of the 1947 national security act and it got pieced together with spit and duct tape over a weekend. Not surprisingly, it's got some problems.

Are you gonna let them take your Social Security while they are wasting money on this BS?