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babsbunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-10 08:55 AM
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any updates? Prosecution of Bush Six Back On
Edited on Sun Sep-05-10 09:37 AM by babsbunny
http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/latest-news/prosecution-of-bush-six-back-on

By Scott Horton / Daily Beast

In a ruling in Madrid today, Judge Baltasar Garzón has announced that an inquiry into the Bush administration’s torture policy makers now will proceed into a formal criminal investigation. The ruling came as a jolt following the recommendation of Spanish Attorney General Cándido Conde-Pumpido against proceeding with a criminal inquiry, reported in The Daily Beast on April 16 2009.

Judge Garzón previously initiated and handled investigations involving Chilean dictator Augusto Pinochet, Argentine “Dirty War” strategist Adolfo Scilingo and Guatemalan strongman José Efraín Ríos-Montt, often over the objections of the Spanish attorney general. His case against Pinochet gained international attention when the Chilean general was apprehended in England on a Spanish arrest warrant. Scilingo was extradited to Spain and is now serving a sentence of 30 years for his role in the torture and murder of some thirty persons, several of whom were Spanish citizens.

Now, Garzón has announced a preliminary criminal inquiry into the Bush administration torture policy, specifying the evidence that a crime had been perpetrated against Spanish subjects, but not yet specifying the specific targets of the investigation. Judge Garzón’s decision revealed a deep engagement with documents which had been released in Washington in the last two weeks, particularly a group of memoranda prepared by lawyers in the Bush Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel (OLC) a report of the Senate Armed Services Committee and a memo released by the Senate Intelligence Committee, making it likely that he would focus on the authors of the torture memoranda and other lawyers who worked with them.
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jtrockville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-10 09:59 AM
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1. McClatchy published something last month (LINK)
Other countries probing Bush-era torture — Why aren't we?
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/08/18/99359/detainee-torture-cases-proceed.html


The article doesn't contain any updates, but does serve as a reminder that it's ongoing.
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babsbunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-10 10:05 AM
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2. Yipppeeeeee
thanks!
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-10 10:28 AM
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4. The bush/cheney cabal are headed for the dock at the Hague
Thats how its done and thats where these war criminals wind up.
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-10 10:47 AM
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6. It will never happen
1. The US does not recognize the jurisdiction of the ICC

2. Obama will never let such a precedent be set.

2. The UN won't push it - they know that it would be the end of all such prosecutions if the US were to ignore it.
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jtrockville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-10 11:52 AM
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14. What, exactly, do you think will never happen?
Do you think Spain won't issue arrest warrants for "The Bush Six" (in Italy's case, they issued warrants, why wouldn't Spain)?

Or do you think Spain won't try anyone in absentia (as Italy did)?

What, exactly, do you think will never happen?
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-10 12:37 PM
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16. No US official will stand trial at the Hague
As for Spain - regardless of what they do, the US will ignore them. If Spain pushes too hard, there will be political and possibly economic punishment. There will not be a trial.

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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-10 12:52 PM
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18. Hide and watch
the icc is set up for such cases as this and it matters not whether we recognize them or not. You can take that to the bank too.
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-10 01:14 PM
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19. You need to research the ICC
they have no jurisdiction according to their charter. Yes - it matters a lot that we are not signatories.

There are three ways a case gets to the ICC - the fact that both the US and Iraq are not party states eliminates two of them. The fact that the US has a veto in the UN eliminates the third.

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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-10 10:22 AM
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3. K & R
They can run but they cannot hide forever.

Justice!!
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-10 10:43 AM
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5. knr nt
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-10 10:56 AM
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7. Obama is too smart to not know this would happen
Edited on Sun Sep-05-10 11:07 AM by lunatica
Symbolic justice is better than no justice. The Bush cabal may not suffer personally but they will go down in history as criminals because of this action and it will be on an international level. That's more important than we think it is. The truth will out in spite of us. And that's a good thing.

from the artcle...

"Named as targets were former attorney general Alberto Gonzales, former chief of staff to the vice president David Addington, former general counsel of the Department of Defense William J. Haynes II, former Under-Secretary of Defense Douglas J. Feith, former assistant attorney general and current federal judge Jay Bybee and former deputy assistant attorney general and now professor of law at the University of California at Berkeley John Yoo.

The complaint alleged that they had written legal memoranda approving the introduction of torture techniques at Guantánamo making them key players in a joint criminal enterprise that resulted in the torture of the five Spanish prisoners. The complaint was assigned to Judge Garzón as the investigating magistrate responsible for the case involving the five Spaniards previously held at Guantánamo."

and this...

"Spanish lawyers close to the case tell me that under applicable Spanish law, the Obama administration has the power to bring the proceedings in Spain against former Bush administration officials to a standstill. “All it has to do is launch its own criminal investigation through the Justice Department,” said one lawyer working on the case, “that would immediately stop the case in Spain.”"
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-10 11:15 AM
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10. He's going after the lower level guys in hope of making them turn.
I do seem to remember that Obama said he'd cooperate with the ICC.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-10 11:07 AM
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8. Excellent. They can be like the Americans of 1945-46.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-10 11:13 AM
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9. Judge Baltasar Garzón has been suspended
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jtrockville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-10 11:18 AM
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11. The case is proceeding.
btw - Garzon is a consultant at Den Haag now.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-10 11:31 AM
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13. I'm glad he is a consultant there.
He is a valuable human rights judge.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-10 11:22 AM
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12. There is this
Other Governments Investigating Bush-Era Torture; Obama Administration Silent


UK, Spain, Australia, Poland, and Lithuania

http://www.allgov.com/Top_Stories/ViewNews/Other_Governments_Investigating_Bush_Era_Torture__Obama_Administration_Silent_100820">Here
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babsbunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-10 12:29 PM
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15. yeeeeeeeeeeee Haw!
yah hoooooooooo
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-10 12:38 PM
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17. European nations that are signatories to the Int'l Human Rights Commission
are required by law to investigate any claims of war crimes.

Those in the Bush administration who were part of the group that made torture the law of this land are subject to arrest upon a filing of claims in any European nation.

During the Bush administration, American lawyers filed claims in France and Germany. Rummy had to leave France by the back door to avoid arrest.

Germany ruled that the claims should be referred back to the American courts.

Holder and the Obama administration have indicated that they prefer to coddle the writers of torture doctrines rather than subject their claims to a court of law. Therefore, European nations now have a duty to investigate these claims when European citizens were subject to torture because of the criminals in the Bush administration.

Obama's refusal to investigate the charges of crimes against humanity sadly makes him an accomplice after the fact.
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Angry Dragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-06-10 08:39 AM
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25. Your last sentence brought up a thought
"Obama's refusal to investigate the charges of crimes against humanity sadly makes him an accomplice after the fact."

Is he any different than the catholic church hiding pedophiles after the fact??
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Scruffy1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-10 01:21 PM
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20. This whole thing reminds me the deep South in the 60's
When the only way a crime against black people could be prosecuted was at the federal level. The United States has given defacto immunity to all of our war criminals for years and Eric Holder probably had to make the promise to get the job. I hope the whole shitload spend their whole life ducking warrants.
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-10 02:34 PM
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21. Including Obama, Biden and Clinton? nt
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-10 02:35 PM
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22. k&r..
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eomer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-06-10 07:50 AM
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23. Here is a good timeline that I found:


THE SPANISH INVESTIGATION AGAINST “THE BUSH SIX” (Pending before
Judge Velasco, Central Tribunal of Instruction N° 6)


On March 17, 2009, a criminal complaint was filed against David
Addington (former Counsel to, and Chief of Staff for, former Vice
President Cheney); Jay S. Bybee (former Assistant Attorney General,
Office of Legal Counsel (OLC), U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ));
Douglas Feith (former Under Secretary of Defense for Policy, Department
of Defense (DOD)); Alberto R. Gonzales (former Counsel to former
President George W. Bush, and former Attorney General of the United
States); William J. Haynes (former General Counsel, DOD); and John Yoo,
(former Deputy Assistant Attorney General, OLC, DOJ), collectively known
as the “Bush Six,” in which each was alleged to have participated or
aided and abetted the torture and other serious abuse of persons
detained at U.S. run-facilities at Guantánamo and other overseas
locations. They are alleged to have committed numerous violations of
international law, including violations of the Geneva Conventions and
Convention Against Torture.

On March 28, 2009, the case was initially admitted by the competent
investigating judge of the Fifth Court, Judge Garzón. On April 16 2009,
Spain’s Attorney-General raised objections to the continuance of the
case. Subsequently, on 17 April 2009, the Public Office Prosecutor of
the National Court filed a report requesting that the current complaint
be discontinued and that on April 23, 2009, the responsibility for
investigating this matter was referred to Judge Eloy Velasco.

On May 4, 2009, Judge Velasco sent an International Rogatory Letter to
U.S. asking them to confirm “whether the facts to which the complaint
makes reference are or not now being investigated or prosecuted.” To
date, no response has been received.

On April 7, 2010, Judge Velasco issued an order asking the parties to
brief the effect of the amendment to the Spanish Organic Law of the
Judicial Power (Ley Orgánica del Poder Judicial), Articles 23 (4)-(5) on
the investigation, and whether the investigation should continue. These
amendments require that there be some connection to Spain for various
international crimes in order for the court to have jurisdiction, “(n)
otwithstanding whatever may be provided in other treaties and
international conventions ratified by Spain."

On April 27, 2010, CCR filed a joint expert opinion with the Berlin-
based European Center for Constitutional and Human Rights (ECCHR)
addressing Judge Velasco’s order. CCR and ECCHR urged him to retain
jurisdiction over the investigation due to the failure of the United
States to conduct independent, thorough or impartial investigations into
the torture program and the ongoing failure of the Obama administration
to prosecute those responsible.

http://www.ccrjustice.org/spain-us-torture-case


Note that the case was transferred from Judge Garzón to Judge Velasco in April 2009. It is apparently still ongoing according to Scott Horton (although I'm not completely sure whether Horton is referring here to the Bush Six Case or another parallel case):


Bybee is currently the only member of the federal judiciary who is himself the subject of a pending criminal investigation—now being pursued by two judges of Spain’s Audiencia Nacional looking into the torture of Spaniards held at Guantánamo, apparently using procedures that Bybee authorized. While the United States is refusing to cooperate with the criminal inquiry (violating its treaty obligations to Spain in the process), Bybee risks arrest if he ever leaves the country.

http://www.harpers.org/archive/2010/09/hbc-90007576


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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-06-10 08:18 AM
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24. Good finds.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-06-10 08:46 AM
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26. k/r
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