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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 11:56 AM
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Obama camp has "frozen out" Fox News

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/sleuth/2007/01/obama.html

Obama's Grudge Factor

These are chilly days on Capitol Hill ... and on the campaign trail for Fox News journalists -- at least when they're anywhere near Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.).

Sources tell The Sleuth that the Obama camp has "frozen out" Fox News reporters and producers in the wake of the network's major screw-up in running with the erroneous Obama-the-jihadist story reported by Insight magazine.

"I'm still in the freezer," one Fox journalist said, noting that the people at Fox "suffering the most did nothing wrong." (It was "Fox and Friends" host Steve Doocy who aired the Insight magazine piece, which reported that operatives connected to Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) found out that Obama, as a child, was educated at a Muslim madrassah in Indonesia.)

...

One source familiar with the dynamic between Fox and Obama, who asked not to be named, said Obama and his staff are in for a rude awakening if they think they can write off Fox News. If a candidate is serious about running for president, he or she is going to need a network like Fox to reach out to all those voters in the red and purple states, the source said.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 11:57 AM
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1. Probably wise to freeze out FOX News, no matter who you are.
They're up to no good over there.
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twilight_sailing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 11:59 AM
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4. Let's face it,
Faux News viewers were not going to vote for Obama anyway.
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CrazyOrangeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 11:59 AM
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6. yes, they deserve a permanent freeze-out.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 11:58 AM
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2. I wish they all would avoid Fox.
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 11:59 AM
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7. It would be very interesting if they all took the pledge to freeze out Fox.
Why treat Fox as a legitimate news organization, anyways?
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TornadoTN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-01-07 08:03 AM
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69. Everyone except for Biden, that is
He would trip over his own mouth just to get some air/face time on Faux and pander to people who aren't going to vote for him anyway.

I wish they all would understand as much.
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 11:58 AM
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3. Something all the Democrats should do in solidarity. n/t
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 11:59 AM
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5. It is about time some of the Democrats put FAUX where they belong
Why anyone would agree to appear on a FAUX program is beyond me.

:applause: :applause: :applause:
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mwb970 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 01:24 PM
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40. It's not like it is an actual *news* network. /nt
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 12:00 PM
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8. good
Maybe this move will get others to ignore that POS network.
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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 12:00 PM
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9. Don't know why every Democratic candidate doesn't do this
Given that Fox "News" is simply a propaganda machine for the Republican Party, why would any Democratic candidate open themselves up to be skewered on it? Would a Democratic candidate appear on a network called "GOP TV"?
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 12:00 PM
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10. Democrats can't win on Pox News
because even if the host is respectful or at least civil and the interview goes well, they will cherrypick comments and footage to make the Democrat look like a fool or a blusterer.

Pox News is 100% fascist propaganda, 100% of the time. All Democrats need to avoid it like the plague that it is.
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 12:01 PM
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14. That's not entirely true.
Edited on Wed Jan-31-07 12:02 PM by Clark2008
Wes Clark always makes InSannity and Orally look like a bunch of idiot loons when he faces off with them. I just love it when PUNDITS try to tell the former NATO Allied Supreme Commander about foreign policy. It's a hoot!

:7
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 12:08 PM
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20. And exactly HOW OFTEN is Wes on Fox?
Edited on Wed Jan-31-07 12:08 PM by rocknation
He wasn't hired for fairness and balance, but to prevent him from appearing on other news shows! Maybe Fox should give him a one-hour show of his own?

:headbang:
rocknation
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 12:13 PM
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25. I'd watch it!
That would be the only time I watch Faux, though.
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 12:11 PM
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23. Why try? Even if Wes made them look stupid on 1 segment
They have the other 23+ hours when he ISN'T on to spin what was said to make themselves look better.

FOX SHOULD be FROZEN OUT. I think Obama has a brilliant idea going. And if other stations ask the candidates WHY they are being shut out - take the opportunity to tell people exactly what FOX is, A Corporation that is nothing more than a venue for the WH, and a smear machine for anyone who doesn't *toe the line*.
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 12:12 PM
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24. Well, I'm sure if he runs, he won't be back.
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BR_Parkway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 12:00 PM
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11. Good, why give them any legitimacy - besides, their statement is
false, he doesn't need to reach potential voters through the rabid right on their 'news' channel - they wouldn't vote for a Dem (a black one at that) if hell froze over. He's not missing a thing.

If the networks are so worried about "access" that they were willing to overlook all Shrub's lies for 6 years, then more Dems need to cut off their access
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Missy M Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 12:00 PM
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12. Yes, Fox News to reach out to all those voters in red and purple..
states continuing with stories such as the one from Insight magazine. Who do they think their kidding.
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 12:01 PM
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13. Oooh....tough talk.
One source familiar with the dynamic between Fox and Obama, who asked not to be named, said Obama and his staff are in for a rude awakening if they think they can write off Fox News.

I hope that Fox "News" is in for a rude awakening one of these days.
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 12:04 PM
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17. Yeah, if we're mean to FOX, their viewers might quit supporting black Democrats!
I think this is an obvious, long-past-due move on Obabma's part.
FOX is -NOT- a news organization, and everyone knows it.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 04:41 PM
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60. That is the statement that frosts me most
Figures they would claim they have some kind of power.

No, Pox, Senators running for President will be heard of via other channels!
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cgrindley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 12:01 PM
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Good I wish everyone would freeze them out
Fox News really has no excuse. No real journalist should be working for them.
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 12:01 PM
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15. GOOD FOR OBAMA!!!! At least someone is being smart about this.
The folks who watch that channel aren't likely to vote for Obama anyway. So, what would be the point in him giving Faux a daily or weekly target to smear on air.

Let Faux cover Obama by proxy. And, anyone who is interested in seeing real overage of Obama can tune in to the other stations and maybe get some real news in the process.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 12:02 PM
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16. ALL DEMOCRATS SHOULD FREEZE OUT FAUX NEWS!
They DON'T need FAUX NEWS for anything. Let them preach to the choir without our Dems. GOOD FOR BARACK!
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 12:36 PM
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33. I agree.
Why some even bother to go on that propaganda organ network boggles the mind. Let's hope this starts a trend.
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 12:05 PM
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18. No news for Nazis!
Should be a Democratic Party policy observed by all of our office holders.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 12:05 PM
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19. The problem isn't what you did wrong, Fox, but what you should have done right
Edited on Wed Jan-31-07 12:12 PM by rocknation
that is, double-check the story.

It's not as if you had to "go as far" as CNN did and send a correspondent--the school (once you'd bothered to find out its name) was not only still in existence, but only a phone call away. You ran with the story because it was an opportunity to hurt Obama and liberals in general, and you have yet to apologize, to my knowledge. I guess Obama has decided that he can lose without you.

:headbang:
rocknation
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 12:08 PM
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21. Excellent - the best way to treat a bully is to call them out and ignore them
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adigal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 12:09 PM
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22. And if he becomes President, he can yank their press passes
as they are NOT member of the press.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 12:16 PM
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26. I don't think he's going to win this one.
I hate to say it, but this is an amateur's mistake. Obama is pissed and has every right to be. But he needs to take his complaint to the source. Don't freeze out Fox News, but rather go right onto Fox News and demand an apology right in their faces. Not appearing on Fox News won't hurt him in the primary season among most Democrats, but he's passing up a chance to establish himself as THE anti-Fox candidate.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 01:17 PM
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37. It's Fox and Insight who screwed up!
Why haven't THEY approached HIM with an apology--and the rest of us with a retraction?

:headbang:
rocknation
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 04:37 PM
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59. Because they're lying dumbasses, that's why they haven't apologized.
I'm saying that this fumbled smear is like a big gift to Obama. He could bury every doubt about how ready he is to be president by hammering the crap out of Fox News while on Fox News. He could ride this train all the way to Denver if he'd just carpe this diem right. Instead he's being high minded and acting above the game. The #1 lesson of Clinton's elections is that you are NEVER above the game. If he keeps his distance from Fox, he'll never engage them and thus he'll never get a grip on the next smear against him--and there will be a next smear; bank on it.
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Telly Savalas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 11:08 PM
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66. This will have zero impact on his ability to compete in the primaries
There are two types of Democrats who watch FOX News with any regularity:

1. Outrage addicts -- people who watch FOX News so they can get on places like DU and post "OMG!!!111 Can you believe what Sean Hannity just said!!!11"

2. Zell Miller

Obama's absence on the network will have no influence on their voting patterns.
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confludemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 12:16 PM
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27. "'I'm still in the freezer,' one Fox journalist said" Poor boy. Fox journalist?
that's a hoot
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 12:19 PM
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28. Why would this be a problem for Fox?
With their journalistic standards and the integrity of their reporters they don't need access to a candidate or anything resembling facts or research to write a story. Obama is on the list of candidates to fuck with at faux. Not having access to him won't stop faux from pursuing their mission.

It would be like suggesting that limbaugh would need some time with Bill Clinton to get the story straight on him.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 11:15 PM
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67. Right you are. Since when does Fox rely on mere FACTS?
When innuendo, unfounded gossip and GOP smears make front-page news on Fox?

They're the National Enquirer of TV news - only with less integrity.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 12:21 PM
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29. Boohoo one fox "Journalist" you lay down with rabid dogs and you wake up with
the mange.

Like Fox has even "one journalist"--computer says no.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 12:22 PM
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30. BRAVO, OBAMA! It takes GUTS to stand up to FOX!
The other Dems should follow his lead.
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HannibalBarca Donating Member (269 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 12:26 PM
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31.  Fox Journalist.....
...an oxymoron perhaps???
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Connonym Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 12:28 PM
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32. Good on him. They're no more credible (or perhaps less so) than the National Enquirer
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gatorboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 12:38 PM
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34. Fox News Reporter. Talk about an oxymoron.
Now the rest of the Democratic party needs to do the same. Don't legitimize that channel with their presence.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 12:41 PM
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35. Really? How much coverage did Fox and MSM give to the Repub. corruption?
and what was the #1/#2 issue voted on in the last election????

Answer that and tell me how relevant Fox News is
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Bobbie Jo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 12:42 PM
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36. It's about time they were called out..K & R n/t
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 01:19 PM
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38. Cue the DU "Cry Me A River" String Quartet!
:nopity::nopity::nopity::nopity:
rocknation
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 01:20 PM
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39. Good man. nt
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populistdriven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 01:26 PM
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41. This presents an Opportunity for Hillary and my hunch is she will take advantage of it
Edited on Wed Jan-31-07 01:27 PM by bushmeat
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mohinoaklawnillinois Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 01:34 PM
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45. How will this present an opportunity for Hillary??
I mean, come on, do you honestly think that any Faux viewer would seriously vote for either Sen. Clinton or Sen. Obama?

Yeah, right.....
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 06:58 PM
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61. Well, this smears the Hillary camp, too
Fox owes them an apology and retraction as well. Of course, that's what immediately tipped me off to this story being phony: if the information really did come out of the Hillary camp, why the hell would they give it to Murdoch? UNLESS...lol...unless THEY WERE COUNTING ON Murdoch being so eager to smear a Dem that they'd run the story without double checking it! Mission accomplished, then!

:rofl:
rocknation
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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 01:37 PM
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47. Yeah, 'cause she could really make some headway with Fox's wingnut audience
if Obama just talks to ABC, NBC, CBS and CNN. Right.
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davsand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 01:31 PM
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42. Well, it isn't like they've done much to HELP him, is it?
Jeesh. They were trying to jam a knife in his back last week and now they are wondering why they are being shut down by the campaign insiders? I have to laugh. I highly doubt he feels he needs any more "help" from them.


To Faux News, I'll quote one of Kevsand's relatives, "YOU buttered your bread now lay in it!"




Laura
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AllexxisF1 Donating Member (559 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 01:34 PM
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43. It'a about time.
I think Fox Noise has finally had it. It's about time all Democrats boycott this pig in a dress altogether. No Democrat should set foot on any Fox set, nor should they talk to them as well.

Without Congress and hopefully the White House they will cease to exist as a bullshit news organization.
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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 01:34 PM
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44. Fox is the propaganda organ of the Republican Party.
Nobody watches them but dyed-in-the-wool wingnuts. No Democratic politician has anything to gain by playing ball with them. All of the Dem candidates for president should follow Obama's lead. The notion that this will somehow hurt them in "red" states is ludicrous. Stop feeding Fox News, and it will dry up and blow away.
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skypilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 01:36 PM
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46. Huh?
"... he or she is going to need a network like Fox to reach out to all those voters in the red and purple states, the source said."


And tell them what? To vote for the black, Democratic candidate? Yeah, as though "a network like Fox" is going to do that.
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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 01:38 PM
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48. Hillary froze out ABC
when she announced her long-awaited views on Iraq policy... she announced on NBC and CBS.
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meldroc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 01:40 PM
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49. YES!!! Stick it to the Fox Noise Channel.
(as Keith Olbermann calls it, as what Fox broadcasts can't be described as news.)
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samsingh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 01:44 PM
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50. i don't know why Fox is crying
they can watch real news on other real News Stations .
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dancingme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 01:47 PM
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51. Has anyone at Fox News apologized to Obama
for at least 3 lies spread by Doocy:
(1) Obam went to a Madressa

(2) Obama was raised a Muslim and

(3) Obama was raised by his father.

Obama saw his father one time during his childhood. He was raised primarily by his white grandparents and his white mother.
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ellie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 02:12 PM
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52. I think Fox overestimates
its importance.
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ItsTheMediaStupid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 02:13 PM
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53. If you're supposed to be a journalist and you're working for Fox, you've already done somethig wrong
.. people at Fox "suffering the most did nothing wrong."


I think it would be great if every member of the Democratic party did this and if anybody ever asked, explain that Fox is a propaganda outlet for the repugs and there is no reason to give them the illusion of legitimacy by talking to them.
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noonwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 02:26 PM
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54. After their little "madrassah" stunt, I can't say as I blame him
Not only did they lie about that, they also lied and said that Hillary's campaign leaked the story.

I watch FOX because it's entertaining at times, but I can only watch so much of it before I get dizzy from the hype.
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 02:30 PM
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55. All Dems should do the same.
And get that trash out of the military's media system as well.
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 02:48 PM
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58. Yes! Exactly!
Don't even legitimize them by acknowledging their existence I say. Put them on Ignore AND Block them.

Julie
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azmouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 02:34 PM
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56. A Fox Noise viewer wouldn't vote for Obama anyway.
Obama is doing the right thing! Good for him.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 02:43 PM
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57. "...Obama and his staff are in for a rude awakening ..."
What a bunch of losers.. They are threatening him .. play ball with us too, or we'll slam you mercilessly..

oh wait..

they'll do that even if he DOES "play ball" with them.

:rofl:
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 07:01 PM
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62. Democrats Can't Win Without Faux Noise? Yeah Right
That network did one hell of a job helping us retake the House & Senate last year. Yep, they reach all those likely red and purple state voters that are sure to vote Democratic. :crazy:
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 10:48 PM
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63. here's hoping that more dems do the same
nt
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thatsrightimirish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 10:57 PM
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64. Just wondering
Was "Fox and Friends" always this biased. I know it is a silly question and the answer probably is yes, but they seem to be making a lot more headlines these days for stupid stuff like bashing Obama.
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2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-01-07 08:00 AM
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68. yes
i've been watching them off and on for about 4 years, and while they're nothing like sean hannity or john gibson, they've always kept their entertainment peppered with pro-neocon propaganda
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 11:01 PM
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65. Until there's an on-air apology and retraction from "Fox & Friends"
Things should stay chilly for the whole Fox Network.

And it's about time.
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Neshanic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-01-07 08:21 AM
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70. Prediction. A funny situation on air will be the official unfreeze.
This will be set up by Obama and his staff with Fox news and they will use the light-hearted guffaws about it be the end of it.

It will probably be a funny morning show thing that he does, some-lame ass thing like taken a frozen cake to them and then hilarity will ensue.

God....
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-01-07 08:21 AM
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71. Good idea.
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-01-07 08:40 AM
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72. They Think Too Highly Of Themselves At Faux
"One source familiar with the dynamic between Fox and Obama, who asked not to be named, said Obama and his staff are in for a rude awakening if they think they can write off Fox News. If a candidate is serious about running for president, he or she is going to need a network like Fox to reach out to all those voters in the red and purple states, the source said."

Do they actually do the math around their ratings? The drones who watch that station are a miniscule portion of the population who wouldn't vote for a Dem if the Repub candidate was Satan.

Faux is a blip on the radar screen.
The Professor
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