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blues90 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 04:23 PM
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Am I the only one who feels the Dems are not doing well ?
I also have this gut feeling that bush will remain in office until the next election . I also don;t have alot of faith in the next election changing much of the way things are now .

It seems to me that even by the time bush is out and while he is still in the damage will continue to spread out and grow like a cancer .

Many more people will suffer the loss of lives and jobs and be forced to lose all . This may continue for decades no matter who is in office .

It appears the worst is yet to come .

I certainly don;t see any way to fix most of the damage done since bush took office since the damage spreads into almost every single aspect of ones life .

I see many hopefuls who feel we will once again bring this country back to what it was meant to be and I have to ask what was it meant to be ?

It has changed into a country I do not even recognise other than there are still stores open and people working and cars on the road filling their tanks , many buildings look the same and some are gone forever but the overall visual has not changed all that much , however there is this silent underlying current of demise just waiting for the next set of victims .

So with that said what do you think ? Does your age affect your outlook or hope ? Do you hold confidence this government we have or will have wil pull us back from the edge of the cliff ?

It can be any number of reasons , jobs , the war , and so on .
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Sapere aude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 04:25 PM
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1. Bush will be gone in 2009, so will his hangers on. We will make changes, they will be slow in
coming but the people will want them. There is real Bush fatigue and real right wing fatigue.
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gollygee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 04:25 PM
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2. How is Bush going to remain in office?
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 04:27 PM
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3. No, you certainly aren't the "only one".
Many of us see the handwriting on the wall (and the resultant hand-wringing).

I've firmly come to the conviction that we USians will have to lose our democracy before we GET IT, and learn what it takes to keep it.

:(
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blues90 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 04:51 PM
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8.  I can understand that .
I also add in the fact that we are at the mercy of the huge corporations and this is another giant problem that has to be undone before the people have a voice and control .

There is just so much wrong that I can't see the way out no matter who is at the wheel in 2009 .

I still am concerned about this Iran attack pending sometime beofre bush is gone , keeping him in or adding to the horror . Some thinks this is insane thinking but I don't .
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 04:55 PM
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12. What are we doing to educate people about the corporations?
It certainly isn't going to happen by magic.

It's up to WE,THE PEOPLE.

And we're not even talking about it, let alone strategerizing.

I show lots of people the video on The Plot To OVerthrow FDR, and that opens some brain cells.

But, without a coherent plan that many others are involved in,.....my efforts are futile.
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blues90 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 05:04 PM
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14. Good question
I hear people complain about being raped by the corps yet they still go shopping for crap they don;t need . Then there are people paniced about losing their jobs so they keep quiet .

But over all there are the medical and insurance and mega oil corps holding us hostage . This is the real danger and people bitch but can't do without these in life .

It needs to be talked about alot more . You hear in on Hartmann and a few other shows , never in the mass media . We have a small audience and little hope at this rate .
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 07:42 PM
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20. We need to develop our own "think tank", and start stratergerizing
Really, pick just about any issue, and what you see is people grumbling and complaining, and doing very little.

The waaaarrrr? Yeah, people will write, call, protest, etc.

Health care? Gripe.

The corporations? Gripe. (a little softer)

Lack of safety nets and poor people suffering? Smart ass quips. then silence.

IN short, what I always say about health care, we'll get good health care when we DEMAND it, and not one second sooner.

Ditto for the rest.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 04:27 PM
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4. Dunno. Whatever situation awaits, we accept or reject.
We've seen what happens to those who reject.

Some of it could be good change as well.

It depends on perspective and I will not close my mind, even if I feel adamant on a given issue at any time. All I know is, nothing makes sense. Even the stuff I want to add up to find some form of menace... and there is no menace. Which is one reason not to freak out; I won't cater to paranoia.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 04:41 PM
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5. Not sure how much better the Dems can do under the circumstances.
We need a veto-proof majorities in both houses to stop the obstructionist games of the minority party. They seem hell-bent on providing that in 2008. Along with a Democrat in the WH.

I'm not so sure Bush survives. He's losing the firewall, one person at a time. The MSM seems to be reporting a lot more on the DoJ scandals...everyday more people are calling for impeachment. Every day a new outrage is exposed.

We're ahead of the curve on what Bush has done to this country...we also absorb a lot more of the outrage fatigue. But that doesn't mean we'll give up or concede to these crooks.
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 04:45 PM
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6. I'm pretty sick of 'em myself. When they rolled over and decided to fund
Edited on Thu May-17-07 04:46 PM by acmavm
the war with no strings for a few more 'months' and the secret trade deal with the bush** administration, that pretty much did me in.

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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 04:54 PM
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10. And you can be sure they lost a lot of "swing voters" with that, too.
People look for SPINE, and the Dems ain't got it.

Too bad. OUr democracy was nice while it lasted.
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blues90 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 05:18 PM
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15.  I suspect things have to be torn down completely
in order to rebuild and realize just what you have lost . I really see no other way at this point , anything short is a patch waiting to come loose and we will be hear all over again . You would think we would have learned after the great depression but then this is history and long forgotten like all the graves in DC , all the past in lost memory now .

This is one of the sad things in our country , we forget and move on and stop talking about the past as if this is forbidden . People need to stop and look and be reminded what we have done and where it has taken us , but then this is the old days , no one wants to hear about in this fast paced world of today .
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 07:45 PM
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21. Whatt???? Remember history???? But, but but.... there's Idol to watch....
Edited on Thu May-17-07 07:45 PM by bobbolink
and the liberals have their own distractions (here, DU this "poll")(blame the boomers), etc.

We're nowhere close to being serious about it, and that's the sad fact.

The Dems in power, who also depend on the corp lobbyists, know we're not going to confront *them* either, so....

On it grinds....

How long, O Lord, how long...?
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 04:47 PM
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7. And the Repubs are doing horribly. What a world! nt
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pwb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 04:53 PM
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9. i think it will get better
Most of us do not buy the neocon spin anymore. it is us against fox and Limbaugh and they are loosing ground fast. good post.
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 04:55 PM
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11. Don't feel like the Lone Ranger.
I am growing very impatient. That's just me I guess.
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SteveM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 04:59 PM
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13. Hard to say what will happen when GOP sinks and Dems stagnate...
Already, liberals are acting like they are at the Christian salad bar, picking and choosing what they like --and what they don't like -- about the Patriot Act. We don't like the loss of habeas corpus, due process and the infamous "watch lists." But banning someone on the list from purchasing a firearm? That's OK for Gonzo and a number of Dem lib senators asked by the AG to carry his slop bucket for him. Even the Second Amendment Foundation (no lefty group) called for Gonzo's resignation. But NY Times likes THIS rotten tomato.

Don't know how you get on.

Don't know how you get off.

Don't know what to do about it.
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 05:25 PM
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16. No. The democrats remind me of the Washington Generals, the
perennial opponents & designated losers for the Harlem Globetrotters. It looks more & more like staged piece simply to obscure the real goal of both parties--to maintain the status quo.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 05:26 PM
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17. No you're not!
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 05:27 PM
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18. I think bush will continue to ruin this country because
he knows damn well there is nothing congress can do. They can't even get a bill passed.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 05:32 PM
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19. Yeah, I feel depressed thinking about how much needs to be fixed, from the environment on down to
protecting civil liberties and establishing ought-to-haves (universal education and healthcare).
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Wiley50 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 07:58 PM
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22. Nothing At All Will Change Without Publicly Financed Elections
Edited on Thu May-17-07 07:59 PM by Wiley50
and FREE TV ad spots

Gore tells all about it in the excerpt to his new book Assault on Reason
There's a tread here that links to it. read it.

The reason we have no power and corporations have all the power
is that mostly what our pols are doing is raising corporate money to buy TV spots
and a lot in their pockets under the table

Until then, they only need us on election day, and now with the machines
it's getting so that they don't even need us then

They're just going through the motions with us for show

Then doing secret trade deals

fucking enraging, but true
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