Teabagger: Hitler created idea of separation of church and state, not Thomas Jefferson

Meet the GOP’s extreme nominee for Delaware's open seat in the House, Glen Urquhart. Since Mike Castle vacated the seat in order to (unsuccessfully) run for Senate, the Republicans nominated Urquhart in a tight primary election. A wealthy real estate investor who self-financed his campaign, Urquhart campaigned as a social conservative with the backing of the Family Research Council, Concerned Women for America and the National Conservative Fund, along with Tea Party groups such as the 9/12 Delaware Patriots. Here is Urquhart’s opinion regarding the separation of Church and State, where he misattributes Thomas Jefferson’s quote that the US Constitution creates a “wall of separation between Church & State” to… Adolph Hitler:

Do you know, where does this phrase separation of Church and State come from? Does anybody know? ... Actually, that's exactly, it was not in Jefferson's letter to the Danbury Baptists. He was reassuring that the federal government wouldn't trample on their religion. The exact phrase 'separation of Church and State' came out of Adolph Hitler’s mouth, that’s where it comes from. Next time your liberal friends talk about the separation of Church and State ask them why they’re Nazis.

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/if-you-thought-christine-o%E2%80%99donnell-was-bad%E2%80%A6

That is to say, even if he did originate the concept, I think The Holocaust proves that Hitler didn't REALLY believe in it--to say the least.

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http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/fischer/080119

Written by Bryan Fischer, a director of AFA.

"In 2004, he co-founded the Keep the Commandments Coalition in an effort to protect the Ten Commandments monument in Julia Davis Park in Boise. After the monument was removed, he spearheaded the initiative drive which collected 19,000 signatures to give citizens in Boise the opportunity to vote on a new Ten Commandments display for the park.

He received the "Friend of Life" award from Idaho Chooses Life in 2003, and the "Christian Statesman" award from the Biblical Worldview Learning Center in 2005. He was recognized by the Ridenbaugh Press as one of the top 25 "Influencers" in Idaho in 2005, and one of the top 25 conservatives in Idaho by Idahoans for Tax Reform."

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so next time you're at a tea party rally, ask them why they're nazis.

http://www.loc.gov/loc/lcib/9806/danpre.html

To messers. Nehemiah Dodge, Ephraim Robbins, & Stephen S. Nelson, a committee of the Danbury Baptist association in the state of Connecticut.

Gentlemen

The affectionate sentiments of esteem and approbation which you are so good as to express towards me, on behalf of the Danbury Baptist association, give me the highest satisfaction. my duties dictate a faithful and zealous pursuit of the interests of my constituents, & in proportion as they are persuaded of my fidelity to those duties, the discharge of them becomes more and more pleasing.

Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church & State. Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties.

I reciprocate your kind prayers for the protection & blessing of the common father and creator of man, and tender you for yourselves & your religious association, assurances of my high respect & esteem.

Th Jefferson
Jan. 1. 1802.

"Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof", thus building a wall of separation between Church & State."

Baptists.

This dumbing down of America and constant revisionism is starting to bite back at the ignorant and stupid...finally.

"...a wall of separation between church and state." Indeed!

Jefferson wrote a letter to the Danbury Baptist Association in 1802 to answer a letter from them written in October 1801. The Library of Congress site displays a copy of the Danbury letter, with links to the original and an edited version, available here. http://www.loc.gov/loc/lcib/9806/danbury.html The Danbury Baptists were a religious minority in Connecticut, and they complained that in their state, the religious liberties they enjoyed were not seen as immutable rights, but as privileges granted by the legislature — as "favors granted." Jefferson's reply did not address their concerns about problems with state establishment of religion — only of establishment on the national level. The letter contains the phrase "wall of separation between church and state," which led to the short-hand for the Establishment Clause that we use today: "Separation of church and state."

The letter was the subject of intense scrutiny by Jefferson, and he consulted a couple of New England politicians to assure that his words would not offend while still conveying his message: it was not the place of the Congress or the Executive to do anything that might be misconstrued as the establishment of religion.

Note: The bracketed section in the second paragraph had been blocked off for deletion in the final draft of the letter sent to the Danbury Baptists, though it was not actually deleted in Jefferson's draft of the letter. It is included here for completeness. Reflecting upon his knowledge that the letter was far from a mere personal correspondence, Jefferson deleted the block, he noted in the margin, to avoid offending members of his party in the eastern states.

This is a transcript of the final letter as stored online at the Library of Congress, and reflects Jefferson's spelling and punctuation.

and his writings influenced both Locke and Jefferson.

http://www.auok.org/wall_metaphor.htm

an agreement by which Hitler effectively coopted the Catholic Church and brought it under the control of the Nazi government.

This is why you cannot have a conversation with a tea bagger.

They are all stuffed to the brim and amped up on complete lies like this!!

Has anyone else ever tried to have a conversation with one of these people...a real honest debate? You can't
because you spend hours and days just trying to unravel the blatant falsehoods and general nimroddery.

And by the time you gather the history books, and the facts to refute all of their nonsense--they're
on to the next batshit, jaw-dropping fantasy.

All of their nonsense, which they garner after matriculating at Glenn Beck's community college
of asshattery, is easily refutable--but you have to gather evidence first. It takes time.

So, you almost can't win with them. They come up with these inane fantasies that they are
convinced are fact. Because Glenn Beck told them, they believe it.

I once had a teabagger ask me why one of Obama's cabinet members quoted Mao. I stood there thinking--
Ok, I can't refute this because I don't have the quote in front of me--but you just know it's
bullshit spun out by Beck. Luckily, my husband stepped in and said, "Yeah, I know the quote
you are talking about and he did say it." The tea bagger said, "See! See! Obama's cabinet
is full of Maoists and Marxists and Socialists!!" My husband said, "Yes, the cabinet member did
say that quote, but the research shows that this quote has also been said by Dick Cheney and
also another member of Bush's cabinet, while Bush was President. It's a common inspirational
phrase." The tea bagger looked like someone smashed his life savers.

Their bullshit is so easily debunked. But unless you are a human snopes.com--you just stand their
mystified that any human being could be so damn dumb and gullible and buy into the obvious idiocy.

And it's new lies and propaganda churning out daily. Debunking all of it would take three floors
of people working around the clock. It wouldn't be difficult. It's just that there is a lot of it.

I really get frustrated at how much idiocy is walking around out there. And Beck strokes
their egos and tells them how smart they are for having the inside scoop that he dishes out
to them.

It really is a bizarre time in our nation's history.

The Fourth Estate has utterly failed the citizens. There would have never been an Iraq war if the Fourth Estate had warned the citizens that the Bush administration was compete ly dominated by PNAC neo-cons who were determined to invade Iraq and that they were using 9/11 as their "Pearl Harbor" justification. The so-called journalists are nothing more than frighten spineless shills for their corporate masters.

Just like they do right now despite having a dishonest pro right media.

I'm guessing this idiot was home schooled?

Matthew 22:21 - "Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s, and unto God the things that are God’s"

Yeshua ben Yosef was responding specifically to a follower's question regarding the morality of paying taxes - so it this case Teabaggers are doubly wrong.

it always amazes me at what ease right wingers rewrite history in their favor...

that said that. And after they made that statement they said take me to the republicans, I would like to see how much more bulls**t they have thrown out there.

Martin Niemöller, ever hear of him? Karl Barth and Bonhoeffer, too.

Americans are perhaps the most religiously ignorant people in the Western world thanks to assholes like Urquhart. The ignorance burns.

The Teabaggers create a wall betwen themselves and sanity every time one opens his/her/its mouth.

historians in the future will spend decades trying to understand why there was so much proud, willful ignorance in our so-called "Information Age"