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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-10 09:41 AM
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WTF? O'Donnell Did NOT Actually Recieve Her Bachelor's Degree Until THIS YEAR!
According to O'Donnell's campaign website's biography she:
http://christine2010.com/meet-christine/
was awarded a 2002 Abraham Lincoln Graduate Fellowship in Constitutional Government from the Claremont Institute in Claremont, CA.


Big surprise, I know -- the Claremont Institute funding a movement conservative.

But here's where it gets interesting: According to her Wikipedia entry she didn't actually receive her Bachelor's degree until this year!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christine_O%27Donnell
She attended her university's commencement ceremony in 1993 but did not receive a degree. O'Donnell later said the degree was withheld due to unpaid tuition.<17> In 1994, Fairleigh Dickinson sued her for $4,823, winning a judgment for the entire amount according to court documents. The debt was paid in 2003.<3><16><17> After O'Donnell completed a required course in the summer of 2010,<16> Fairleigh Dickinson awarded her a bachelor's degree in English literature,<15><16><17> with a concentration in communication.<15>


If that's true, she accepted a presumably multi-thousand dollar graduate fellowship on the self-evidently fraudulent grounds that she was actually a college graduate.

more:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/9/20/903473/-ODonnell-Fraudulently-Accepted-Grad-Fellowship-w-o-Bachelors-Degree
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NightWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-10 09:46 AM
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1. just another fraud, her campaign is full of fraud, her background is fraudulent
and she'll be outed as a fraud....most likely by the repukes at this point who feel as though they've been punked
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-10 09:47 AM
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2. You're assuming that a bachelor's degree is required to hold a "graduate" fellowship at Claremont
I see no information to that effect. Yes, it says "graduate fellowship," but that doesn't mean anything, since it is not an accredited institution. A "graduate" fellowship at the Claremont Institute is very different than a graduate fellowship at a serious and accredited academic institution. Unless you see a) requirements that include a bachelors degree or equivalent and b) some attempt to mislead relative to that requirement, then there was no fraud of any kind.

It's much more likely that they granted her the fellowship on the basis of her many speaking engagements and waived any requirement for a bachelors degree, supposing any such requirement even exists.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-10 09:52 AM
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4. Ruh roh...found some evidence for you
"Christine O'Donnell is President and founder of a national youth organization, The Savior's Alliance for Lifting the Truth. Ms. O'Donnell is a graduate of Fairleigh Dickinson University, where she majored in English and communications. She has made numerous television appearances, been interviewed and profiled in national newspapers and magazines, and works as a media and public relations consultant."

This is strictly speaking TRUE as of today (or summer 2010, as it were), but is untrue relative to the posting date of that information, which seems to be December 14, 2006.

That said, the Claremont Institute DOES NOT call the fellowship a "Graduate" fellowship.

See: http://www.claremont.org/projects/projectid.27/project_detail.asp

And: http://www.claremont.org/projects/pageID.299/default.asp
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-10 11:20 AM
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12. "Not an accredited institution!" LOL!!! That says it all!!! LOL!! n/t
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woodsprite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-10 09:50 AM
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3. All this info is floating to the TOP of the dung pile in just 1 wk.
Have people even begun to really dig for info on her?

Dig, Dig, Dig, Digity Dig....
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-10 09:53 AM
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5. She didn't receive the actual piece of paper because she owed them money
Edited on Mon Sep-20-10 09:53 AM by Recursion
That's more "sketchy" than "fraud". It's not like she lied about finishing the coursework.
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hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-10 11:14 AM
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11. I'm not even sure it's "sketchy."
College financing has become a byzantine nightmare in the U.S.

I liked it much better when I was in college. I didn't have to take out any student loans, the financial aide paperwork was simple and got me a few grants, and the tuition was not insurmountable by ordinary employment and support from my middle class family. My retired grandma who worked her entire life on an assembly line used to send me $100 a month and that went a long way toward covering my expenses.
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uncommon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-10 11:23 AM
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13. To be fair, colleges are insane about this stuff --
I was incorrectly billed almost $10K in 2003 for college courses I didn't actually take and the college NEVER backed down, and wouldn't let me finish my degree.
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-10 11:30 AM
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14. My alma mater thinks I owe them 3 grand
Edited on Mon Sep-20-10 11:31 AM by Recursion
For classes I allegedly took after I graduated. We're still working that out, but it's delaying my applications for a PhD program :mad:
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uncommon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-10 11:45 AM
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16. I feel your pain -
I hope it gets cleared up for you.
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Ikonoklast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-10 11:44 AM
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15. No, she outright lied. She was short credit hours, but was allowed
to graduate with her class only with the understanding that she would finish the coursework over the summer.


She didn't, and lied about the loans as a cover.


She never got the diploma until recently, because only until then did she actually finish all the required coursework.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-10 09:54 AM
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6. She also claimed she was attending Princeton for her Masters.
According to a lawsuit against a conservative think tank, there was gender discrimination that cost her studying at Princeton for her Masters.

Of course Princeton had no record of her actually applying or being accepted to any masters program and ironically the lawsuit just *poof* disappeared.
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-10 10:09 AM
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7. Bwah
You'd think if somebody's going to lie they'll at least make it plausible. Pick a small state school nobody cares about or something.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-10 10:15 AM
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8. Her LinkedIn account had her attending Oxford
I kid you not.
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-10 10:18 AM
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10. See, we're stuck in the old-school reality-based community
We need to adopt Conservative Magical Thinking.
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-10 10:17 AM
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9. Bah. She got her degree from a box of Cracker Jacks.
Edited on Mon Sep-20-10 10:19 AM by L0oniX
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gmoney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-10 11:48 AM
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17. Ah, but a pretty face is always forgiven by rightwingers
Sarah Palin redux, except she's actually pretty. (Yes, I know, she's ugly on the inside, etc. etc.)
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