Three words that would put America back to work...

NO MORE OUTSOURCING

I've watched it move up the food chain. First low skill manufacturing, high skill manufacturing, low skill design, high skill design, high tech engineering, construction, management, human resources, computer management, medical diagnostics (radiologists are now worried about outsourcing - you pay 20% more to get an x-ray read that costs the hospital 50% less). Schools and universities opening new branches to compete for low skill workers.

Do you know what - for the last 20 years, I've watched my peers get picked off in engineering companies - and their replacements in India no where near the quality. You have no idea how hot outsourcing is - every MBA and manager has outsourcing as their number one measure to increase profits. Every fucking one.

Each one of these lost jobs has a multiplier effect on local and national economies. As peoples wages and earnings drop they tried to make up for it in housing investment. Now that is gone.

You have no idea what its like. Let India take care of their own people. I'll take care of mine.

in outsourcing, like me. I'm too old, period. I'm 54, would be a great producer, but not in the eyes of those who hire (maybe they are 30 years old?).

It sucks out there, period.

and wisdom. They get treated like crap by management however.

The younger engineers are down right foolish and take unreasonable risks. Management likes them because they are aggressive. Some times it works, most of the time it fails.

Nothing worse than a bunch of un disciplined kids managing a team in India from USA. It is ugly. I guess when things get screwed up, management doesn't feel so bad because they think the costs are lower.

Workers in India don't get treated right, either. Its a bad deal all the way around. I swear both countries would be better served by making sure they help their own people out of poverty.

what will eventually replace HIM in his current job. He knows that one day, he will make his last trip there, and will get the official word, but until then he just keeps networking in anticipation of what will surely come.:(

Realistically, how do you stop it? Say no, you can't open that call center in India? What about Canada? I wish it would stop, but it is harder to prevent than trade in goods or capital mobility for sure.

If you mean "Just say 'no'" to an American company, what's to stop them from signing a deal with a purely Indian- (or Filipino- or Guatemalan-) owned company.

You create tax incentives to keep jobs here and to bring jobs here. You tax companies and close loopholes...

My American vendors love me for it too.

Offshoring...now that I won't do.

people know what I am talking about and people don't give a fuck about anything anymore. They have no idea how bad it is getting. It is incredible - we are creating the lost generation.

We are selling our intellectual property to Asia for pennies on the dollar. Amazing how easily we have given it away for a fast buck.

The greed of a few will be paid for by the many who are now suffering.

We literally worship greed and wealth today - as if Bill Gates is an expert on education reform because he is rich. My taxes go up each year to pay for microsoft products in my school so kindergarteners can use power point, and Microsoft outsources to $8 an hour temp workers in Bangalore.

Amazing to see democrats doing nothing. Not a care in the world about it. Its really strange.

Meanwhile, jobs continue to hemorrhage. And we all pontificate on about complex economic theories wondering why so many people are out of work.

Just completely crazy.

I was just bragging. I've been blessed enough to be able to keep a couple small businesses alive with the work I've sent them. Little bit of positive in light of the overwhelming negative which corporations here have put upon us with their sending jobs overseas.

that already have.

low skill manufacturing, high skill manufacturing, low skill design, high skill design, construction, computer services, human resource departments, insurance claims handling, medical diagnostics, radiology, health services, chemical engineering, electgrical engineering, semicondiuctor fabrication, large machine work, nearly 100% of apparel industry, steel, small machines, autos, large machines. Up and down the fucking chain.

Don't fucking tell me its not that simple as the nation is getting filled with ghost towns. Jesus I deal with this shit every day for last 20 years or so. Out sourcing is destroying us. They said outsource to Mexico and auto industry would prosper and so would America. It didn't. CEO and exec staff prospered.

Same with India and China. It isn't working it has put us at risk with massive trade imbalance and debt obligations.

It is the real poison in the "free" market system.

Some fucking economist telling me what I see happing every day isn't that simple. It is fucking that simple. When they figure out how to outsource economists then will hear a retraction. And they will figure it out because even the economist is a commodity in the free market.

thank you

technically count as two words. I'm not the grammar police, so I'm not picking a fight.

Technically I would argue your title as five words. Link below is what I learned.

I can believe this is not universally held in the modern age, however.

http://www.cambridgecentre.net/ca020/faq/esol/do-contractions-count-one-word-or-two

Do contractions count as one word or two?

Contracted words count as the number of words they would be if they were not contracted.
For example, isn't, didn't, I'm, I'll are counted as two words (replacing is not, did not, I am, I will ).
Where the contraction replaces one word (e.g. can't forcannot ), it is counted as one word.

Because those Chinese jobs making iPhones don't sound like jobs Americans want to either. I haven't heard of illegal immigrant workers here committing suicide over their jobs after all so the jobs we don't want are better than the outsourced jobs to China.

is because Apple is looking to make large profits by cutting the labor costs to as close to zero as they can.

If the jobs paid a decent wage and Apple would settle for profits less than exorbitant, iPhones would be affordable and people would be working here. Now, multiply that model to a million US companies... problem solved. Greed is the driver and the train has already left the station.

That is supposed to be how the job market works. Instead we bring in destitute people who are ok being paid poverty wages to do illegal labor.

I...I just. Wow.

Age 60 for retirement!

read some cutting edge ideas about this:

http://www.newamerica.net/publications/policy/readying_a_plan_b_for_economic_recovery

Credit to Salinger at OET for making me aware of this.

NAFTA and international trade agreements are bad news for American Labor!

NO MORE H-1B VISAS

Ok... so maybe that's 4 words, but... "H1-B" doesn't count as a real word. :smoke:

hear hear

self fulfilling - you spend 4 or 6 or 8 years learning electrical engineering. You get laid off 3 years into your career. They douche bag MBA who was at every kegger on campus is now a marketing VP outsourcing jobs to India.

The centrists and republicans all argue the profit motive is the best incentive. Students see engineers who bust their ass getting treated like shit. THe engineering graduate population drops off. Companies then say -"boo hooo there aren't enough engineers and technicians, we have to hire H1Bs." Meanwhile there are a million unemployed engineers. Just few who want temp work with ZERO benefits at $15/hr after dumping $100K into college and busting their asses.

All a massive load of bullshit dumped on our heads every day by MBAs who'd add more value selling burgers than selling off the nations intellectual property to Asia for pennies on the dollar.

We are creating generation dumb-shit. A truly lost generation. Onset of decline in America is correlated with onset of the MBA. Masters of Business!

Argh.

I would gladly pay a few cents or even a couple of more dollars on each thing I buy to have the choice to employ American workers.