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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-19-07 08:04 AM
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Drunk old lady gets 30 days for killing man, seriously injuring daughter
Drunk old lady gets 30 days for killing man, seriously injuring daughter
Submitted by adamg on Fri, 05/18/2007 - 5:02pm.

Lillian Angelo, 81, pleaded guilty today to plowing into a car driven by some poor guy taking his family out for a bite at Kelly's Roast Beef on May 25, 2005.

Angelo, of Chelsea, will serve 30 days in jail followed by a year of house arrest and two years of probation, according to the Suffolk County District Attorney's office. She will also have her license permanently revoked.

Robert Ayoub, 52, of Needham, died in the crash; his daughter, in the front seat of his car, spent nine days in the hospital.

Prosecutors say Angelo was drunk (she tested at .11 - the state limit is .08) and blew by a state trooper at an estimated 100 m.p.h. seconds before crashing her 1989 Cadillac into Ayoub's car.

More:
http://www.universalhub.com/node/8807
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-19-07 08:18 AM
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1. What did she look like the judge's nonna, or what?
That's total horseshit.

Imagine if Gramma was a young black woman named Shaniqua, she was 28, travelling at a hundred miles an hour drunk on her ass in a Caddy, and did the same thing.

How many years would she get?

Imagine if it's a 25 year old white guy named Rusty, same car, same BAC, same speed--how many years for him? Awww, never mind, there, Rusty old pal--thirty days, and then you get the ankle bracelet--you'll be home playing Grand Theft Auto in NO time!!

It's crap like this that makes our society look a bit foolish. We used to pull the same shit with juveniles (awwww, he's YOUNG, he didn't MEAN it--oh yes he DID) and now we're doing it to the elderly.

I rather doubt that was the first time ole Nonna drove shitfaced. It's just her last, is all.

Next thing ya know, we'll see geezers selling shit on the corner, because the cops will give them a pass!!
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-19-07 09:14 AM
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18. Shaniqua would survive a long sentence just fine. At 81, will Nonna?
She's lost her license. Her car has been totaled. She's likely been injured, and it takes old folks a lot longer to heal, if they ever do. My guess is that she'll be in a nursing home sooner rather than later.

Trust me, 81 is a far cry from 25, or even 40. This old gal is off the streets. She's either going to have to move to a convenient location or hire a driver or take cabs everywhere, all a pain in the ass for just routine errors, if she's able to live on her own at all.

At 81, your body is your prison.

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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-19-07 09:30 AM
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22. So what? Sentences are decided based on how long your life expectancy is?
That's insane.

Gee, let's have 95 year old guys act as assassins, then--they'll be out in two months! Who wants someone killed? Gramps will do it for a couple grand and lawyer fees if he gets caught!

I drive geezers to the polls--from the seventies to the 90's, and they're all in varying degrees of 'spryness.' Hell, some of the walker-bound ones are the 'youngsters,' and the 90-somethings are helping them. The carcass doesn't work as well as it used to, certainly, and the biggest complaints seem to have to do with peeing and arthritis, but I just don't regard that as an acceptable excuse, and I think the sentence is an insult to the family of the dead guy.

Of course, in Massachusetts, you can beat a guy to death in a hockey rink in front of a bunch of children, including your own and the guy you beat to death, and walk free in five years...I don't get that sentence, either.
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-19-07 09:36 AM
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24. Perhaps the judge took into account what it would cost the state to

provide nursing care for Ms. Angelo.

If you read the article, you'll learn that Ms. Angelo was "seriously injured" in the accident and is "frail," which means the state would be spending a lot on medical care if they gave her a long sentence and such a sentence would likely be a death sentence for someone her age who has been seriously injured. Living with the guilt will be her sentence for a lifetime.

I've never heard of a vehicular homicide resulting in a death sentence, or a life sentence, even when alcohol and high speed was involved.

A former student of mine drove drunk on the interstate at night and hit a car pulled off on the side of the road, killing all four people in the car. He was sentenced to 20 years. He was 18 but did not get off light. I'm not sure if parole was a possibility for him.

A man who strangled and stabbed his wife to death about the same time only got 20 years. Granted, he only took one life but it was no accident and their kids were in their beds at the time, (asleep, one hopes.) He was eligible for parole in 7 years!

Back to Ms. Angelo: There was no mention of any previous offenses. That doesn't prove she never "drove shitfaced" before but you don't know that she did, either.

And the experts determined that she was going "at least 68 mph" at the time of the crash, which is still bad, but not as bad as 100 mph. One good thing in this is that the young girl wasn't killed. I'd guess she would have been if the other car had been going 100 mph at impact.

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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-19-07 10:20 AM
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29. I dunno. I think the Suffolk County DA let the Ayoub family down, myself.
Although they agreed to the sentence, which suggests they have that 'quality of mercy' thing going for them. It's almost two years that have passed since the family lost the father. The dead guy was a dentist--one can only hope they had good life insurance.

She was probably 'only going 68' because she was slowed down from sideswiping all those other cars:

    Ayoub's wife, Gretchen, said in a statement issued yesterday that her husband "was a gentle, cautious, extraordinarily loving, and kind man who was killed in such a violent manner.

    "From our first date until when he died, Bob always thought of me before himself," she said.

    Angelo's drunken slalom down curving Revere Beach Boulevard in her 1989 Cadillac DeVille around 4:30 p.m. on May 29, 2005, startled a nearby police officer. He observed her doing 90 miles per hour, three times the posted speed limit.

    Angelo -- whose blood alcohol level was later measured at 0.12, well over the 0.8 limit -- swerved into opposing traffic, sideswiping at least six cars on the way
    ....Angelo slammed into their car and pushed it nearly 80 feet.

    Ayoud died hours later of massive internal injuries, while his daughter was hospitalized in critical condition. She has recovered.

    Angelo suffered breaks in her hips, legs, and face. She was arraigned five months later in her hospital bed at Chelsea Jewish Nursing Home.





    More here: http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2007/05/19/woman_81_gets_a_light_sentence?mode=PF
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geomon666 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-19-07 11:31 AM
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37. Oh ok.
such a sentence would likely be a death sentence for someone her age who has been seriously injured.

It all makes sense now. I'm sure glad the killer won't suffer or anything.

Living with the guilt will be her sentence for a lifetime.

She'll probably be too drunk off of her ass to care one way or the other. But at least justice is served.
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kath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-19-07 09:12 PM
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45. That guy only got five years?!?!
Jeebus H. Christ

Meanwhile, the black and/or poor get put away for decades in some states if they're found with so much as a marijuana seed in their car...


In the la-and of the fuh-reeeeeeee, and the ho-ome of the brave.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-19-07 10:24 AM
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32. Not to mention the cost to the state for taking care of her.
Can they force her into a nursing home & have her pay?
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1monster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-19-07 09:44 AM
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26. Or if she were a white mother of three whose one daughter was killed
and another seriously injured in the car crash caused by her drunken driving?

That woman got forty years.
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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-19-07 11:22 AM
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35. I agree with the rusty senario
but if the guy was a twenty five year old black guy the same, or worse, would apply. I sometimes feel for these elderly people who kill others because of poor driving relflexes, etc. We've had several cases like that here locally. But she was DRUNK, for God's sake, and speeding while drunk. Letting her off because of her age is disrespectful to the victims.
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-19-07 11:56 AM
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39. too bad she isn't some 'illegal' mexican
national press would be all over this case!
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Missy M Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-19-07 08:24 AM
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2. The thought of anyone driving drunk and going 100 mph........
is downright scary. It's hard to imagine one doing it at 81 years old. Sober someone that age usually doesn't drive over 30 mph, even on express roads. What a tragic story.
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dweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-19-07 08:39 AM
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4. the same could be said
about the young.

dp
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dddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-19-07 08:45 AM
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5. Drunk people shouldn't drive
regardless of their age.
Personally, I don't support sending drunk drivers who kill people to jail. I think that this woman needs to step up and make sure that this poor man's family will be taken care of financially, since he is no longer able to support them. I'm talking college tuition, vacation money, housing costs and anything else they can't count on their dad for anymore. That'll hit these selfish folks where they can feel it. There isn't much I won't tolerate from people, but driving drunk is pretty high on my list of no-no's.
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etherealtruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-19-07 08:47 AM
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8. Exactly
Drunk people shouldn't drive
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-19-07 08:57 AM
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11. I have no idea how you think she could step up and do
those things at 82 even if she wanted to unless she got some assets.
Furthermore, that's what you have lawsuits and insurance companies for.
And it's ludciours to say those who drive drunk and kill should not go to jail.
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dddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-19-07 09:23 AM
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20. I'm sorry I wasn't clear,
I don't necessarily mean her specifically, although whatever assets she has need to go to those kids. I mean in general, people who kill someone while driving drunk are not going to benefit anyone by being in jail, I think they would be better punished by having to spend a certain amount of each paycheck supporting the family of someone who no longer can because of their actions. My sister-in-law has a friend with 3 young children and no husband because 2 idiots thought they should drag race after tossing down a few cocktails. This guy was on his way to work when he was hit and killed. These young men need to spend the rest of their lives paying for what they did to this family. If I were Queen-of-the-World, not only would they have 3 college tuitions to be responsible for, but every Father's Day, they would have to send a letter of apology to these kids because their father is not here for them to celebrate with. In my opinion, that is a more appropriate punishment than a few months or even a few years in jail. They(not their insurance company)should have to spend many, many years trying to pay a debt to the victim, not society.
As I said, I'm usually pretty tolerant, but not for drunk drivers.
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-19-07 09:59 AM
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27. You can make the same argument for intentional murder.
Why lock the killer up, would it not be better if the killer was made to work and paid to the relatives of the victim? I completely disagree.
I can't understand why anyone would argue drunk drivers should not go to jail.
If anything, I think they should get longer sentences.
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dddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-19-07 01:02 PM
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41. I respectfully disagree
I think intent is the key word. Nobody who gets in a car after having too much to drink does so with the intent of harming anyone, but arrogance or ego or selfishness causes the death of another. This to me is not so much a 'crime' as it is selfish behavior which results in tragedy. That's why I think the punishment should fit the crime.
I think we can both agree that drinking and driving is unacceptable and should be punished, I just don't think vengance helps the victim as much as restitution might (not that any amount of money can replace the unfinished life of a loved one).
Peace.
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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-19-07 11:25 AM
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36. Very often
drunk drivers do not have the financial resources to provide all the assistance you describe to the victims. In fact, I would venture to guess that the vast, vast majority do not.
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OnyxCollie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-19-07 08:45 AM
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6. Drunk people shouldn't drive. nt
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sabbat hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-19-07 08:47 AM
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7. my dad
is 82 and he drives a hella lot better than a lot of people who are in their 20's, 30's, etc.
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MisterHowdy Donating Member (295 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-19-07 08:48 AM
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9. I second that.
Old people are a danger and a menace on the road.


Mandatory driving tests after 70!!!!!!!!
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nuxvomica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-19-07 08:52 AM
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10. I knew a guy who drove quite well at 100
Edited on Sat May-19-07 08:54 AM by nuxvomica
He didn't drink before driving, though, and his sobriety was probably the reason he never killed anyone with his car, IMHO.
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slampoet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-19-07 09:13 AM
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17. Come to RI and drive 100mph you'll be dead in a year.......
....live in New Mexico i suppose you could retire driving 100mph.
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nuxvomica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-19-07 10:03 AM
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28. LOL. I meant he was 100 years old, not driving 100 MPH
Sorry if I wasn't clear. My point was that he could still drive well at the age of 100. He didn't drink or speed, though. And he lived in western NC, driving twisty mountain roads that I was afraid to navigate myself.
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slampoet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-19-07 07:34 PM
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43. Well good for him!! Reminds me of a senior back in Michigan.

The elder in our town used to give kids rides in his Model T at the summer fest and in the Snowmobile attachment for his Model T Truck during the winter festival. He was 80-something back in the late 80's but no one questioned the safety of the kids since he was driving a Model T at 25-30 mph after all.

Back in 1935 this same man drove a souped up Model T across the frozen ice of Lake Michigan from Charlevoix to Milwaukee. The big Lake hasn't frozen over since so he may remain the only person to ever do it.
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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-19-07 12:09 PM
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40. I was going 95s into Providence this morning
We passed emergency crews at the scene of an accident northbound. Like a 1/2 mile later my daughter shrieks and points and there on the northbound side was ANOTHER car flipped over with someone inside, the police hadn't even gotten there yet. That stretch of 95 though providence is some scary ass shit. S turns that are so tight they are actually illegal. Yuck. It's my least favorite stretch of road. I'd rather drive the expressway in Boston.
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slampoet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-19-07 07:17 PM
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42. I agree. 95 is bad around here. I suggest anyone use 295 to avoid Providence if they can.

There is a lot of construction going on 195 and a lot of that affects 95.
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Gormy Cuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-19-07 09:39 AM
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25. I can guarantee that he wouldn't be able to drive safely on Revere Beach at that speed.
The accident happened in front of the popular food stand at the center of a popular beach. The road runs along the full length of the beach but has many side streets intersecting it. People cross this road nonstop on weekends. Even if this event happened on a weekday in May the area around Kelly's was probably quite crowded.

It's not safe to drive that stretch at 50 MPH, never mind 70 (which is the speed estimated at point of collision.)

Interesting though that most posters so far have focused more on the woman's age and intoxication rather than the speed.
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-20-07 04:35 PM
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49. What nuxvomica meant was that he knew someone who drive safely at 100 years old,
not 100 mph... He didn't speed, but he didn't signal much, either, LOL, though I was never afraid to ride with him, well into his 90s, though this man was the exception to every rule about aging. He was rushing to get his autobiography finished before his 100th birthday, so was pressed to take any time off for the celebration, although every relative and friend from all over the country and from four generations showed up to honor him...:-)
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-20-07 04:27 PM
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47. I also knew him and never minded riding with him,
even on those twisty mountain roads, since there was little traffic, though he got lost more than once... :D

And if you were following him, he was not big on signaling, if you remember, LOL. He did have that serious accident at age 99, when he meant to stop at a red light, hit the gas instead, and shot out into traffic. But he just damaged his car, fortunately no injuries. All his relatives were pressuring him to give up his license after that, and he sent me a copy of his letter, explaining why he was not willing to. He still was doing important business, like functioning as pastor of his church, and chauffeuring numerous other members of his retirement community, mostly a car full of older ladies, bringing them to church every week.:shrug:

But he did finally give it up at age 101, and I drove him where he needed to go when I was there, drug store to pick up photos, or to the bank, or I picked up things that he needed and I could tell that he was frustrated, depending on others, since others had always depended on him. I was younger than a lot of his grandchildren and he had to depend on me, and I know that he hated it...:-(
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slampoet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-19-07 09:12 AM
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16. Public Transportation is about how we treat our old people.....
and how we treat our handicapped, and how we treat our poor and how we treat our young people who want a summer job.....


....Deaths from drunk driving and driving too old are the price we pay for screwing the old, handicapped, poor, and young.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-19-07 09:15 AM
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19. We have a WINNER!!!
Yep, that's the one.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-19-07 10:27 AM
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33. Great post! nt
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kath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-19-07 09:19 PM
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46. hey, you don't want to be like those damn pinko Yurpeen countries who provide such things
as good public transportation, free (or nearly so) universal health care, lengthy parental leaves, etc, do ya?
Those fokkin Yurpeens don't even have the death penalty!

(they also tend to have VERY harsh penalties for drunk driving. As a result, their people tend to develop the "designated driver" habit from a very early age)
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-19-07 08:58 AM
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12. how the hell did she not die in the crash?
80+ years old going 100mph?

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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-19-07 09:02 AM
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13. She was driving a caddy.
Probably some gigantic monstrosity.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-19-07 09:34 AM
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23. Caddy like a tank. Probably had her belt on; maybe it had those auto-belts? nt
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-19-07 09:09 AM
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15. Urban Legend has it that drunk people are so loose and floppy...
that they tend not to get injured so badly when they crash.

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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-19-07 10:21 AM
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31. She broke a lot of bones. See Globe article, upthread. nt
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-19-07 09:06 AM
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14. she should get AMNESTY for her crimes L-) nt
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-19-07 10:21 AM
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30. I'm sure that's funny . . .
. . . to a freeper! Hyuck hyuck!
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-19-07 09:26 AM
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21. All old people are potentially dangerous
Think about it. What're you gonna do, give them a life sentence? Or even the death penalty?

How bad will it be? When you're old, you can pretty much do whatever you want. The fact it usually doesn't happen tells me something about human nature - that it's not that bad, and that the evil people are few and far between.

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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-19-07 10:30 AM
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34. All people are potentially dangerous.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-19-07 09:07 PM
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44. Well that one certainly is!
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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-19-07 11:54 AM
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38. She won't be back behind the wheel
This asshole will be.


Oct 3rd, 2005

Hit & Run Suspect Appears In Court

(CBS4) YARMOUTH, MA Keith MacArthur, 28, of Yarmouth, who is accused in the hit-and-run death of a 14-year-old boy on Cape Cod appeared in Barnstable District Court court on Monday. He is charged with motor vehicle homicide and leaving the scene of a fatal crash. The victim's parents were also there to see who killed their son, Mathew Brown, Saturday night on Route 6A.

As Larry Brown, the victim's father, walked into the courtroom, he spotted Keith MacArthur and shouted, "Hey tough guy, you left him for dead."

Yarmouth Police say Keith MacArthur, 28, hit Brown with his car from behind as the boy was riding his bicycle with friends at about 8:30 p.m. Police say MacArthur left the scene but turned himself in yesterday.

"To me, it's clear that he knew he hit something," said Dep. Chief Mike Alamonte.

"All's I know," says Brown, "is that coward killed our son. He hid until he was sober enough to call a lawyer and get himself in here."

MacArthur is said to have had a couple of drinks at a local restaurant before the accident, but he has not been charged with operating under the influence.

Officials say counselors are on hand today at Dennis-Yarmouth regional high school, where Matthew Brown was a freshman.


Unforunately this was before Melanie law was passed and his past offenses couldn't be considered in sentencing. I believe the max he will serve 2 years. The boy was my cousin by birth (I was adopted and was reunited with my birth family a couple years prior) I'm less concerned about an 81 year old who will probably never leave a nursing home alive.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-20-07 04:31 PM
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48. That could be a life sentence.
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