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unhappycamper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 07:20 AM
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J. P. Morgan And Friends Tried a Fascist Coup Against The United States In 1933
Here is another reason the repubs want to close libraries. Books is bad.


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The Plot to Seize the White House: The Shocking True Story of the Conspiracy to Overthrow FDR

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"General Butler's story was . . . alarmingly true." —Time magazine

"James E. Van Zandt, a Republican congressman, corroborated Butler's
story." —Arthur Schlesinger, Jr.

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Most people will be shocked to learn that in 1933 a cabal of wealthy industrialists—in league with groups like the K.K.K. and the American Liberty League—planned to overthrow the U.S. government in a fascist coup. Their plan was to turn discontented veterans into American “brown shirts,” depose F.D.R., and stop the New Deal. They clandestinely asked Medal of Honor recipient and Marine Major General Smedley Darlington Butler to become the first American Caesar. He, though, was a true patriot and revealed the plot to journalists and to Congress. In a time when a sitting President has invoked national security to circumvent constitutional checks and balances, this episode puts the spotlight on attacks upon our democracy and the individual courage needed to repel them.


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Scuba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 07:31 AM
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1. Wasn't the Bush patriarch involved in that coup attempt?
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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 07:34 AM
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2. Among other things, yes.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 07:47 AM
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4. A central figure - he was the primary contact to the German side of the plot, according to Harper's
See: http://www.harpers.org/archive/2007/07/hbc-90000651

The Congressional committee kept the names of many of the participants under wraps and no criminal action was ever brought against them. But a few names have leaked out. And one is Prescott Bush, the grandfather of the incumbent president. Prescott Bush was of course deep into the business of the Hamburg-America Lines, and had tight relations throughout this period with the new Government that had come to power in Germany a year earlier under Chancellor Aldoph Hitler. It appears that Bush was to have formed a key liaison for the group with the new German government.

Prescott Bush, of course, went on to service as a U.S. Senator from Connecticut, and his son, George H.W. Bush emerged from World War II as a hero.

The Plot Against America portrayed in this episode of the BBC series “Document” gives fascinating insight into a dark and little known piece of American history in which the nation stood on the brink of betrayal. The role of the most powerful political dynastic family in the nation’s history in this whole affair is shocking.
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soryang Donating Member (642 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 07:44 AM
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3. And they succeeded in 2000 n/t
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 07:54 AM
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5. Actually, there was a earlier coup that succeeded: 1980 - Bush's "October Surprise"
Edited on Sat Oct-09-10 08:07 AM by leveymg
This is what the KGB files on the event reveal. Cable dated 11 JAN 1993 from the Russian Gov't to Lee Hamilton, who chaired a commission investigating the October Surprise. The original cable in PDF: http://www.consortiumnews.com/Russian-Surprise.pdf

More readable version:

Chairman of the Working Group of the House Foreign Relations Committee of the U.S. Congress, Lee G. Hamilton

Dear Mr. Lee G. Hamilton:

With excuses for the lengthy preparation of the response to your appeal, I am sending you the material in our possession which, as we hope, may help you in your work.

Secretary of the Committee, People's Deputy of the RF N. Kuznetsov

On the supply of American arms to Iran according to available information, the Chairman of the R. Reagan election campaign, William Casey, in 1980 met three times with representatives of the Iranian leadership, in particular with the arms dealers Djamshed and Kurosh Hashemi. The meetings took place in Madrid and Paris. At the meeting in Paris in October 1980, in addition to Casey, R. Gates, at that time a staffer of the National Security Council in the administration for Jimmy Carter and former CIA Director George Bush also took part.

In Madrid and Paris, the representatives of Ronald Reagan and the Iranian leadership discussed the question of possibly delaying the release of 52 hostages from the staff of the U.S. Embassy in Teheran, taken hostage by Iranian "students" and members of the "Corps of Defense of the Islamic Revolution" on 4 November 1979 until after the elections that took place in November 1980. In exchange for this, the American representatives promised to supply arms to Iran. This was asserted, in particular, by a former Israeli intelligence agent, Ari Ben-Menash, a Jew born in Iran and arrested in 1989 in the U.S. for supplying arms to Iran (arrested in California on charges of exporting contraband C-130 aircraft from the U.S. to Iran and who was in prison for 11 months and then freed). According to his calculation, the total value of the arms illegally delivered to Iran reached 82 billion dollars.

Data on attempts by the R. Reagan team to temporarily block the release of American hostages in Teheran are also contained in official statements of several Iranian figures, including Minister of Foreign Affairs Gotb-Zade in September 1980.

As terms for the release of the hostages Iran at that time proposed the unblocking of Iranian accounts in the USA, the return of the funds of the Shah and his family, the lifting of the economic blockade of Iran and the end of the embargo on supplies to Iran of spare parts for previously purchased American arms.

On the other hand, there has also appeared evidence that in 1980 there also took place negotiations between representatives of the Carter administration and the Iranian leadership, in the course of which the question of secret supplies to Iran of American arms and spare parts, the release of the American hostages and the unblocking of Iranian accounts was discussed. Thus, in July 1980 in the city of Athens, a delegation of the Islamic Republic of Iran (IRI) including Deputy Defense Minister Farivara, General Faroh-Zade, Colonel Veisi, Foreign Minister representative Etminana met with representatives of the Pentagon. An agreement in principle was reached on the supply of arms and spare parts for American weapons in Iran's possession.

In July 1980 in Athens, representatives of Washington and Teheran discussed a possible step-by-step normalization of Iranian-American relations, the provision of support for President Carter in the election campaign via the release of American hostages.

In accord with Athens agreement, in October 1980 a significant quantity of spare parts for F-4 and F-5 aircraft and also M-60 tanks were sent to Iran via Turkey. The Democrats, like the Republicans, started from the proposition that Imam Homeini, having announced a policy of "neither the West nor the East," and cursing the "American Devil," imperialism and Zionism, was forced to acquire American weapons, spares and military supplies by any and all possible means.

Military experts noted that, immediately after Islamic revolution in Iran, the government was faced with a sharp deficit of arms, spares, and military supplies with which to cut down the uprising of Iranian Kurds and carry out the war with Iraq that began in September 1980. The Iranian army in this period was based on Western, mostly American and British, arms, and the Air Force was totally equipped with U.S. planes.

The need for immediate supplies of arms and military equipment was also explained by the fact that after the revolution in Iran large orders for weapons deliveries to Iran of a total value of about 10.5 billion dollars were annulled.

In accord with the evaluation of sources in military circles, supplies of spare parts and military supplies from the U.S. through Israel which began in 1980 allowed the Iranian Air Force to carry out combat activities.

After the victory of R. Reagan in the election, in early 1981 a secret agreement was reached in London in accord with which Iran released the American hostages, and the U.S. continued to supply arms, spares and military supplies for the Iranian army. The organization of the deliveries was undertaken by Colonel of the General Staff of the IRI Domkan, and "Mossad" Colonel Yakus Marvidi. The latter played his part as the owner of a private firm buying arms of American production on the black market.

In March-April 1981, planes carried from Israel to Iran spares for the F-14 fighter and other military equipment. Through the Israeli conduit, Iran in 1983 bought surface-to-surface missiles of the "Lance" class plus artillery of a total value of 135 million dollars.

In July 1983 a group of specialists from the firm "Lockheed" went to Iran on English passports to repair the navigation systems and other electronic components on American-produced planes.

In 1985, supplies of arms from the U.S. to Iran via Israel took on a large-scale character. The arms were sent by planes and ships. 200 "Hawk" anti-aircraft missile systems and 2,000 "Tow" anti-tank missiles were sold to Iran. According to subsequent information, the Tow and Hawk missiles allowed the Iranian army to oppose the numerically superior tank units and air force of Iraq.


For the latest and most detailed account of the "October Surprise" mystery, see Robert Parry's book, Secrecy & Privilege: Rise of the Bush Dynasty from Watergate to Iraq. For the original Consortiumnews.com story about this remarkable document, see Consortiumnews.com's "The Russian Report." Backstory: http://www.consortiumnews.com/2005/russianreport1980.html
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 09:08 AM
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8. Coups are more normal than you think. There was 1963, too.
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slay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 11:53 AM
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12. +1
it's amazing how easily people either forget, or just don't care. :(
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 12:20 PM
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16. Exactly.
The deviant behavior has metastasized over the last generation or two.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 12:44 PM
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18. Secret Service Agent Henry J. Rybka registered dismay when ordered off the limo's bumper.
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 08:25 AM
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6. yep prescott Bush was in on it. And because
of the money and pressure they public never really found out about it. He went on to be elected to the senate can you believe that. Even after the government seized his bank because he was raising money for the Nazi war effort during the war. And the press had the gall and nerve to call the Bushes "Royalty" and a "Dynasty".
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burnsei sensei Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 08:57 AM
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7. And not one of the coniurati have ever seen the inside of a
jail cell for their acts.
Yes, perfect justice does indeed reign. :grr:
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 09:24 AM
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9. Gee. This is something missing from today's history books.
Edited on Sat Oct-09-10 09:46 AM by Octafish
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slay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 11:50 AM
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10. "War Is A Racket" - by General Smedley Butler (full text):
Full text at http://www.wanttoknow.info/warisaracket

CHAPTER ONE: War Is A Racket

War is a racket. It always has been. It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives.

A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of the people. Only a small "inside" group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few, at the expense of the very many. Out of war a few people make huge fortunes.

In the World War a mere handful garnered the profits of the conflict. At least 21,000 new millionaires and billionaires were made in the United States during the World War. That many admitted their huge blood gains in their income tax returns. How many other war millionaires falsified their tax returns no one knows.

How many of these war millionaires shouldered a rifle? How many of them dug a trench? How many of them knew what it meant to go hungry in a rat-infested dug-out? How many of them spent sleepless, frightened nights, ducking shells and shrapnel and machine gun bullets? How many of them were wounded or killed in battle?

~snip~

Full text at http://www.wanttoknow.info/warisaracket



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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 12:27 PM
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 11:52 AM
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11. I thought J.P. Morgan died before WWI
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SargeUNN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 11:57 AM
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13. yep he did
He died in 1913 but his legacy continues to this day in his name.
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felix_numinous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 12:16 PM
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14. '& friends' is most relevant to today
If Bush and his 'friends' get away with bullying this country into a fascist state without any consequences, the message kids will grow up with is that crime pays, and a rough time on the playground is just a preview of what is ahead.
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 12:19 PM
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15. I'm thinking that Octafish might have more on this...
Edited on Sat Oct-09-10 12:50 PM by HCE SuiGeneris
I hope he rings in. :)

Edited to correct spelling... and yes, Octafish did ring in above, and below. :)
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 12:48 PM
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19. Smedley Butler Stopped American Fascist Conspiracy to Overthrow FDR
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 01:05 PM
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20. Former FBI Agent Says Oswald Didn't Kill Kennedy...
Have you seen this story anywhere?

Former FBI Agent Says Oswald Didn't Kill Kennedy



The former FBI agent investigated Joseph Adams Milteer and now wants to re-open the investigation.

Thank you for remembering, HCE SuiGeneris. Truly appreciate that you give a damn about our country.
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 01:22 PM
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21. I care.
It's a painful realization when one confronts the reality. Your posts are great treasures. I sincerely thank you for all of your efforts.

Wishing you, and all of us, peace.
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