Yale fraternity pledges pro-rape chant video goes viral: "No means yes, yes means anal!'

Yale fraternity pledges chant about rape
A viral video shows young men marching through campus while barking, "No means yes!" Video
By Tracy Clark-Flory



Sometimes, the post just writes itself: On Wednesday night, Delta Kappa Epsilon pledges marched through Yale's Old Campus -- where most first-year female students are housed -- chanting, "No means yes, yes means anal!" The fraternity pledges were marched blindfolded while barking like soldiers ... with marching orders of anal rape. They also threw in, "My name is Jack, I'm a necrophiliac, I fuck dead women." A video of the initiation was immediately posted on YouTube and, what do you know, it's gone viral.

http://www.salon.com/life/violence_against_women/?story=/mwt/broadsheet/2010/10/15/yale_fraternity_pledges_chant_about_rape

Granted, I don't know which is worse

not a tough one.

On second glance it looked bad, but on twenty fifth glance it all became clear to me

It's a stupid stupid post

:puke:

You don't have to be smart to rule the world, but apparently being amoral helps.

These assholes make me sick. :puke:

Yale produces the top American business and political leaders. What's so elite about that group of morons?

EDITED to add:

the past couple of days.

Yeah, adults have NO responsibility to check this behavior in its infancy. :puke:

If these little punks are pledging for a frat, they're legally adults. Old enough to drive, vote, own property, join the military, buy cigarettes, and be charged as adults in a crime.
It'd be reprehensible behavior that deserved punishment coming from twelve year olds. These are adults and there's no way they don't know better. If they don't it's way past time they were taught better.

Given their attitudes toward women, it should probably start with an unannounced search through their dorm for GHB and benzos.

i hadnt thought about it. but that sounds to me like a might appropriate repercussion for their action. i really like that, and you came up with it. would not have thought about it.

I have to find a place where alpha-dominance is not worshiped and a requirement for success. This is very sad.

....liberals do it. If conservatives do it then it's FREE speech and their targets need to just get some thicker skin and quit whining about inconsequential matters. :sarcasm:

we have shifted from one oppression for another. male sexuality has become the all encompassing god to be worshiped by all, especially men.

it is beyond the alpha. our geek gone wild in majority of movies lets those men believe that they too are the dominant.

Kick them off campus

There should be zero tolerance for this.

I'm surprised that I haven't seen this in the New Haven REgister. I used to get the Yale Daily News but haven't in some time now, so I'm wondering about this...

The story says that W. was a DKE though, so my money is on some lip service followed by "business as usual."

Have I mentioned lately that I hate the Ivy League?

That isn't a lapse of judgment. It was very deliberate. That wasn't an "oops." It wasn't an accident. That was something symptomatic of a sickness in our culture.

Calling that a "lapse of judgment" totally dismisses the seriousness of this.

This is a form of social programming. All pledge activities are. They are designed to break down people's individuality and form people into a group with group goals, identities, and values.

And this chant displays what some of those values are.

Feminism talks about Rape Culture within our dominant culture, teaching and training men to be sexual predators, and to think that being a sexual predator is okay. That is exactly what this type of activity is. It's promoting rape culture. It's training sexual predators, and convincing people that being a sexual predator is okay. It's also building a group identity so that if any one of these guys became a sexual predator, the others guys would probably back him up, or join in, instead of turning him in.

People often scoff and say that feminism is full of shit. People even here at DU have insisted that there is no such thing as rape culture. But it's hard to believe that when you see this video and understand what happens in fraternities, sports team locker rooms, and even what happens at a lot of parties when groups of guys get together to get women drunk. Rape culture is Exactly what it is.

This kind of thing needs to be taken seriously. It's not a prank that can be dismissed with a laugh. It's not a error of judgment that can be corrected by dismissing one pledge-master somewhere. This is a serious part of our culture, and this video is just one symptom of it.

thank you as always ThomCat. :loveya:

anyone who found the thought of rape disgusting could not stand to joke about it like this nor could they stand encourage others to do so.

:applause:

at a party lining up to fuck this drunk girl who had gone off to have sex with a guy. apparently they planned it out and felt justified because they guy was such an ass you HAD to be a ho if you were dumb enough to fuck him. yeah, because we all see that coming. bad as it is, my cousin thought this okay enough to talk about it as if it was just a wild story and not something deeply fucked up. argh, he always was a bit of a psychopath.

:(

How could anyone eat after listening to something like that?

He doesn't sound like a pleasant person to have to deal with at family reunions. :(

he's always lacked empathy, now i just pity him.

and get to find out anyway. :)

:applause:

some fraternities always do this kind of stuff to their pledges. They'll have them march around campus dressed as women chanting horrible, stupid things. It is part of the giant hazing process of pledging, and generally should not be taken seriously. Making these guys chant politically incorrect things is just part of the humiliation. Of course, the whole idea of hazing is pretty stupid, but I doubt they were being serious in any way.

willingly undergo to threats of violence against women, it's a problem.

They can march around quacking like ducks wearing diapers for all I care. Once they cross the line to making threats against other people, they've gone too far.

The whole chapter should be punished. Pull their charter.

because of the fact that some women not familiar with pledging may very well have reasonably taken it as a threat. They should have foreseen that, to say the least.

We don't usually have the luxury of not taking those things seriously.

I'm sure some women would not consider it a threat because they knew it was just pledges being hazed. They may have thought it was offensive, no doubt about that. The whole point of hazing is to be offensive and humiliate the pledges.

victims percieve actually doesn't matter.

there's a reason that SOCIETY, rather than the victims, prosecute crimes. This is a stellar example of why.

but usually no ne will get charged w/ harassment on the first occurence, unless it's really craven, a very specific personal threat or when you document behaviour to be repeated.

unthinkable things.

I certainly wouldn't rule out actually acting on their threats.

when you refuse to see from a groups eyes, you fail

What they essentially did was march around communicating threats to every woman within listening distance.

choice who says "no" and rape her, and anally rape any woman who says "yes" to any level of intimacy or sex.

That is absolutely a threat.

There is no fucking defense for this. I don't give a flying fuck if they were pledging. Any individual that participated has remarkably low ethical standards. These men deserve to be shunned by every woman on campus.

WHy is dressing like woman and shouting chants of violence against women just good ole fun?

but I was trying to explain the intent, not that I think it makes it just good ol fun.

seeks justice.

And provide a very good service to these frat idiots.

though it would be interesting to see the trial.

Stop excusing it; you are part of the problem, not part of the solution.

just explaining that it is very unlikely they were attempting to threaten the freshman girls with rape or even believe what they are saying. I don't think hazing is good regardless and should be punished.

That's cowardsly and stupid and dangerous and it goes far beyond the hazing issue.

It's assault. It matters not what the freshman girls perceived.

I think hazing is one of the central issues here. It is an excuse to do offensive, even threatening things to pledges and others that sometimes injures or kills people. One of my friends nearly died from alcohol poisening after being forced to drink by the fraternity he was pledging to.

They overtly threatened women with rape. Their is no god damn fucking excuse. None.

FUCKIN HOO. you're now two for two.

People do all kinds of stupid things that violate their sense of morality in order to feel socially accepted and with the promise of future rewards. Especially when they're young, stupid and starting a new life in a strange place full of people they don't know. It's one more reason why the entire social greek system should be abolished.

no validation or justification for behavior required

"A good n****r is a dead n****r?"

your posts are part of the probelm, you have like five people telling you this, and you still don't get it. not at all.
i guess you won;t get till someone roofies you, or gets a crazy idea that you want to "pull a train", huh? shit like that is common at frat parties. it could have been your mom.

It still sends a very ugly message that it's something to joke about. Given that these are young men still forming their attitudes about women and given the number of rapes that happen on college campuses...the frat should still be kicked of campus even if they thought it was just a joke.

hey gals.... your no means nothing to me and btw, gonna butt fuck you whether you want it or not.

i think they have it figured out. i am also sure they figured they could get away with this shit in todays mentality of woman are merely around to be used.....

So I'm sure they realized this was a humiliating and offensive thing to say. It may influence how they think about women the next time their date says No. That's why it shouldn't be tolerated. Men are still forming their attitudes about women and sex at age eighteen, which makes the fact that they were told to do this by other fraternity members even more troubling.

has a pretty good concept of what is happening today with this all porn, all the time, glorify male sexuality to all powerful.... but he still has a ways to go.

12 and 15.

by 18, they have it figured.

Not everyone has that benefit. A lot of 18 year olds aren't very mature and haven't figured out how to treat women. The video seems like pretty good evidence of that.

one big old porn movie for their enjoyment at all times. its all about male sexuality.... only. a continous flow of female for male entertainment. milf. hit it.

that is what we give our guys and then get pissed when that is what we get back from them.

i read a recent study saying empathy is 40% lower in our young adults today than three decades ago. lack of empathy create these results. empathyis taught in the home. along with so much more.

And I notice that the few TV shows and movies with strong, respected women who are valued for something more besides their bodies are not designed for or marketed to young men and teens.

it hit me that every show was geared towards woman being objectified. it and more i started focusing on that until i just turned the tv off. it was not entertaining for me, as a female, to watch over and over that my role was a thing for male play. i dont watch tv anymore. it is not geared for woman. but for the young male entertainment. same with the movies.

that effects society.

why wouldnt our young girls adopt these attitudes that is their worth. why owuldnt our young men learn that is female role. yet ultimately it hurts males more than woman. that is the ironic part of it all. explain that to sons, and see how their perspective changes. it is truly amazing when they grasp, the dehumanizing of women really effect their own happiness and wants in life.

rape empowerment for males is anything but humiliating. it is empowering and creating male sexuality god like to be worshipped. youa re offensively clueless.

what the women on this board are saying means nothing to them. boy it would be different if god forbid ther little sister was date raped. then they might have to really think about it.

publicly calling for the rape of women crosses the line.

Hazing itself may be a cultural tradition, but it also crosses the line of decency and respect.

I hope they get the shit kicked out of them. I wonder how many women those fuckers raped.

Seriously, where does a decent human being find
the nerve to even begin to form a defense of this
kind of behavior? Were my daughter in one of those
dorms and they did this I'd be hard-pressed not to
plow a bulldozer right through their frat house in the
middle of the night. At what point does society say ENOUGH?

This is the future of elite America.

I think I'm going to hide.

who are Yalies and they are fine men. No problems with them whatsoever.

Obviously, these guys are over the top and need to have some discipline by Yale. And if they don't comply, put them on the list to be ruled OFF the campus...goodbye, losers...

Ruling board. No, not because of principles. This is really bad PR.

Sadly colleges react to PR more than decency.

:puke:

Maybe these guys should be on a fishing boat instead.

Force the current members out.

I don't want karma to visit them, but it makes a nice fantasy for a moment.

Were they for sure threatening women, or advertising their own personal proclivities? Which is to say, if they themselves were threatened with rape, their "no" means "yes." The second part of that is admittedly problematical, since a man being raped sort of necessarily means anal, but perhaps they're just being thorough and want to avoid any confusion.

Another example of the kind of dumbfuckery that's been around on college campuses forever, but now it can be memorialized for all time thanks to the magic of the internets. And you can see it over and over again, with the same force each time. Click-click and oh shit, there's those numbskulls again, same as they ever were. You'd think young people having grown up with this presence in their lives would have learned a thing or two by this stage of their lives, but college students aren't always the sharpest tools in the shed.

the women's housing area to send this message to the women on campus says pretty clearly that this was a threat to women, not a self-referential invitation to other men.

:(

Though, it might be poetic justice as a form of punishment to make them stand on campus with a sign, and chant this again, telling passers-by that when THEY say no, they mean yes, and when THEY say yes, they want anal. What reaction do you think they would get? How well do you think they would deal with having to deliver a message like this? :P

It wouldn't be anything more than just really embarrassing because, of course, I hope nobody ever actually takes that message seriously that they should ever get raped. Nobody should ever get raped. No always means no, for everyone.

But forcing them to understand the seriousness of the message by having the "joke" refer to them might wake them up to how really not-funny it is.

When those nitwit sentiments get expressed, I'd like to see a serious question posed, and an answer demanded, about just how the man regards the prospect of being bent over a table and forcibly penetrated by unfriendlies with hostile intent? I'd like to think that a different sensibility would emerge, and this kind of "humor" could go the way of Polack jokes.

:scared:

:grr:

Damn. I almost felt anger.

Good to see it was nothing more than a straight line delivered waiting only for a punch line.

They serve no productive purpose that can't be met some other way that doesn't foster division along lines of race, class, gender, and orientation.

http://www.yaledailynews.com/news/2010/oct/15/dke-apologizes-for-pledge-chants/
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Read all about it...it gives you a nice "flavor" of what is going on with the Elis....

I'm outraged, but hardly shocked.

Seriously, the biggest jerks always get the most girls. Add that to their new instant celebrity and these guys will have the girls lining up.

Sad.

of people in general.

:shrug:

Man DU looks like crap today

If you ask different women, you're never going to get the same answer in what they like in a guy, just like with you guys. For instance, I like sensitive guys who are intelligent and different from everybody else. :)

♥

:evilgrin: :hide:

And there's many of them to choose from at my college, like the one that let out a gigantic burp in the middle of a public walkway a couple of days ago. So nice! :puke: :)

♥

You reminded me of a line from my favorite recent Simpsons episode when Bart meets a girl voiced by Sarah Silverman. Bart makes fun of her vampire book that looks like it's from the Twilight series.

Nikki: Hey! Vampires are cool outsiders who love girls, who hate cheerleaders!

I'm sure it will be with the kind of shallow, weak, self-loathing twits that no progressive man should be interested in anyway.

because normal mentally healthy women hate this shit. but if you want to get those girls, then go be born rich or get rich, because that's all they want from you guys. that's their deal w/ the devil.

I agree.

...from gred and profiteering and lying and torture, to aBomiNatioN

That's just plain sick, and might even be criminally actionable. Fucking assholes.

And that the College's fraternity council uses this as an oppurtunity to discuss what is inappropriate. In the 90's, my sorority sent alumni consultants to go around and talk about why hazing was bad and what traditions that each chapter had that were inappropriate and were hazing. They came with us to Panhel to demand the end to the tradition of sorority pledges going to the frat houses and singing raunchy songs and dancing suggestively, which had been going on for a number of years. If fraternities and sororities are going to continue to exist, they have to prevent incidents that are threatening to students inside and outside of their organizations.

Of spoiled frat boys.

At least the world hasn't completely turned upside down.

Thankfully I went to school in the mid-90's, before youtube and cell phone cameras.

These kids are idiots, but criminals? Hardly.

Pull the charter? Why? How about the sororities who make the pledges sleep with frat boys. Yup, it happens.

Give them a verbal spanking for this, but if the school does something stupid like kicking them out, then all they will be doing is creating angry, bitter, and under-employed men.

silly us....

hey, part of the finest. 1 in 3 girls raped at college. glad you are there for them

so blithe about threats to women, about making half the human race just fodder for men's amusement.

After all, our main role is to keep men satified and employed, no matter how much they humiliate and degrade us for "fun."

Too amazing for words here, is this really 2010?

really 2010? it has been more than a decade of taking a huge step back in the equality of women.

humiliate, degrade and demean is the new mantra towards women. and any woman that dare to challenge they are pearl clutchers. we women must submit to this behavior to man because after all, biology claims this is all that a man is.

i am truly amazed at the shift in how we view women, and enpowering men over women, and so many blind to it, regardless of the numerous opportunities we see resulting in this new, improved conditioning of our society

and to demand women submit willingly and with humor to this is the most amazing

Because they obviously have no problem with it.

Your defense of Misogyny is nauseating.

from the other side of their mouths.

sisters and girlfriends think of this. :-(

LET ME AT THOSE FUCKERS! :grr:

:puke:

what a waste of time their activities are, given the good they could be doing in their community.

But these mugshots should be sent to local law enforcement, along with a complete portfolio of names/photos/info on the fraternity itself. This outfit would be considered the first suspects in any local rapes.

They unwittingly have helped local law enforcement.

let it be known wide that is what they are hunting. repercussion for behavior. a little humiliation and consequences to their action. i think that is very appropriate

People here express this sentiment toward Beck and others.

Yes, they should be humiliated beyond measure.

Imagine how the first year female students felt hearing this barbaric Rape Chant?

If I had a daughter at that school? You can bet I'd be on the first plane up there to stand in front of that Frat House in protest.

men kicked out of the school.

how ashamed and angry their parents must be.

i hadnt focused on it. but it is an interesting perspective. how many of the parents, like posters on this thread, will say, .... just frattin, being boys, immature, not thinking it thru. there is a reason, these young men, went along with this.

but would be interesting to listen to the parents.