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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-10 07:05 PM
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Scarlet Letter Law came back to bite Florida Dems in the butt today.
First off, let me be clear we are voting for Dan Gelber for Attorney General here. We admire him very much.

However though this is not an actual "I tried to tell you moment"....it is very close. I have often said that Florida Democrats have been too long under the thumb of some really crazy right wing Florida Republicans who control everything here.

I believe that if long ago they had stood up and made themselves different from the Republicans instead of trying to be like them for so long....that things would be different in Florida.

Pam Bondi is the Republican running for attorney general. She is the highly photogenic prosecutor whose cases often get on the news. She is pretty much a zero tolerance type who thinks Florida needs an AZ type immigration law. She is the frontrunner by about 5 points according to a recent Mason Dixon poll.

From the St. Pete Times Buzz:

Pam Bondi hits Dan Gelber on the Scarlet Letter Law

Of course she fails to note that the Republicans supported the law as well.

The biggest surprise Saturday came when Bondi criticized Gelber for voting in 2001 for the so-called "Scarlet Letter" law, which required women placing children for adoption to identify their sex partners if they could not identify the infant's father.

"You say you stand by your record? This record?" Bondi asked Gelber.

The law was supported by Republicans and Democrats and was rescinded, but it was an issue in the 2006 attorney general's race when Republican Bill McCollum defeated Democrat Walter "Skip" Campbell, who sponsored the Scarlet Letter law as a state senator. Gov. Jeb Bush signed a repeal into law in 2003.

Gelber noted that Marco Rubio, the Republican nominee for governor, and Jeff Atwater, the Republican nominee for chief financial officer, also voted for the bill.


My words to Mr. Gelber, whom I admire....we expect stuff like that from the Republicans. We do not expect our Democrats to support it.

Yes, really, the law would have required a woman to list her sex partners in the newspaper if she wanted to put her child up for adoption...and if she did not know the father.

And even worse, Democrat Skip Campbell sponsored the bill. Bill McCollum ran ads against him in 2006 on the very same topic.

Florida's Scarlet Letter law

Republican attorney general nominee Bill McCollum is running a new ad attacking his opponent, Democratic state Sen. Walter "Skip" Campbell for his sponsorship of a wide-ranging adoption reform bill in 2001. The ad can be seen on YouTube

The ad features Charlotte Danciu, the adoption attorney who sued to overturn the law. The law became known for its most controversial element, which required women who wanted to put a child up for adoption to run detailed listings in newspapers with their names and descriptions and the names of potential fathers. It attracted national media attention and the Scarlet Letter moniker.

That part of the bill was eventually ruled unconstitutional and repealed in 2003. Campbell initially defended the provision.


Here is what else Campbell had to say on the bill.

Campbell's Scarlet Letter law

The law became known for its most controversial element, which required women who wanted to put a child up for adoption to run detailed listings in newspapers with their names and descriptions and the names of potential fathers. It attracted national media attention and the Scarlet Letter moniker. That part of the bill was eventually ruled unconstitutional and repealed in 2003. Campbell initially defended the provision.

A 2002 Miami Herald article quoted Campbell:

"The statute’s very clear," Campbell said. "They have to give their names. They have to give the potential names of the fathers, if they know them. They don’t have to say, ‘We had kinky sex in a hotel room.’"

Soon after, Campbell said the bill had unintended consequences. Today Campbell’s campaign released this statement from the senator: "We all worked hard on this legislation, and did a lot of good. No bill is ideal and no individual is perfect.


Florida Democrats are at times almost afraid to be really Democrats in their views. I am not sure when it started to be that way. In the 90s many became Republicans to win because you could not win running as Democrat. Before that though Republicans had run as Democrats because that was how they won.

I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that Florida was one of the earliest states to embrace the policies of the DLC. In fact the party chairman declared at the Democratic convention in 2000 that the DLC was the "wind in their sails."

Florida chair claims DLC is wind in their sails.

Making his way through the Florida delegation, for example, he's greeted by the state party chair, the head of the state DLC, and a gruff lawyer from Lakeland named Bob Grizzard. Defiantly wearing a t-shirt from Clinton's 1992 campaign over his checkered oxford shirt, Grizzard tells me he's a "proud member of the DLC." When I ask him about the prominence of liberal speakers on the convention docket, he says, "We're the party of diversity and inclusion," then pauses before adding, "and if they don't want to swallow DLC, we'll stick it to 'em." A minute later, he grabs the shoulders of an African American delegate and pulls him over. "He's not quite with us yet," Grizzard confides to me jokingly, "but we'll give him time." Grizzard's friends are a little embarrassed by the gesture but share his triumphalism nonetheless. "The DLC is the wind in our sails," says Bob Poe, the state party chair.


We are voting for the Democrats on the ballot with one possible exception.

I just firmly believe that the few Florida Democrats in the legislature gave Republicans like Bondi and McCollum ammunition to embarrass them and the party by voting for such an outrageous bill.



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iamjoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-10 07:09 PM
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1. Hard to Believe Bondi Is Ahead
Sometimes I wonder what's happening to this state. I understand Atwater leading Ausley (for CFO) and that Putnam is beating Maddoz (Agriculture). But looking at his resume, Dan Gelber is the perfect applicant for the AG role - not just another pretty face. How could he not be ahead?

And in the governor's race, how could Alex Sink not be beating the pants of the criminal Scott?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-10 07:10 PM
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3. It's pretty scary, isn't it.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-10 07:10 PM
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2. Sarah Palin endorsed Pam Bondi in August.
"One of a half dozen endorsements Palin made Wednesday on the 90th anniversary of the ratification of the 19th Amendment – which gave women the right to vote - Palin extolled Bondi and Iowa GOP AG candidate Brenna Findley.

"These are both bold, sharp, selfless women who will respect our Constitution, defend their states, protect our rights, and push back against any overreach of the federal government," Palin wrote on her Facebook page. "We desperately need these conservative leaders who won't kowtow to the Obama administration's big government overreach into our states, small businesses, families, and individual lives."

Bondi, a former assistant state attorney in Tampa, says the two met in May at a Susan B. Anthony breakfast and bonded over their values and the fact that Bondi has a niece with Down Syndrome and Palin's 2-year-old son Trig does too."

http://www2.tbo.com/content/2010/aug/19/191258/palin-endorses-tampas-pam-bondi-attorney-general/news-politics/

Another Momma Grizzly?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-10 09:04 PM
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4. Two Momma Grizzlies...Bondi and Palin. Picture.
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-10 01:28 AM
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5. Way too many Democrats have run on, "Republicans are awful. Let's be just like them."
The failure to draw clear distinctions has left us vulnerable everywhere. How do we show the Republicans are responsible for the mess we're in when so many Democrats lined up with them through the Bush years and beyond.
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-10 09:50 AM
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6. the dem party in FL is a joke.
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Gaedel Donating Member (802 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-10 10:33 AM
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7. Scarlet Letter Law
This is one of those well-intentioned things that has unintended consequences.

1. Should fathers be informed before their biological children should be put up for adoption?

2. Should the state try to identify and get payments from biological fathers of children being supported by state programs?

Arguably, you should say "yes" to both of these questions.

Unfortunately, the implementation in each case becomes a version of the "Scarlet Letter Law"

I would submit that who voted for it or voted against it should not be an issue.

Gelber does have the problem that he comes out of Broward County, and right now, Broward County Democrats are having a bit of a corruption crisis (NOTE!!!!! I am NOT saying the Mr Gelber is tied to any of the corruption, but it does affect his image in the rest of Florida).


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saras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 04:14 PM
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8. umm...
So what would happen under this hypothetical law when some high-priced call girl publishes her list of 3000 businessmen and politicians?

Let me guess - she'd commit suicide by tying herself up, beating herself severely, then shooting herself in the back of the head from ten feet away.

1. Should fathers be informed before their biological children should be put up for adoption?
Not if the 'father' doesn't even know he has a kid... you just shouldn't fuck anyone you aren't willing to take care of for twenty years while they raise a child, if you want to be involved with the child.

2. Should the state try to identify and get payments from biological fathers of children being supported by state programs?
Only if they can do it while preserving anonymity for everyone else involved, especially the mother and the child.
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