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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-10 02:22 PM
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Chimpanzees Go to War
Chimpanzees Go to War


You'd think "Chimpanzee Researcher" would be the most hilarious job in the world, what with the subjects always putting on people clothes and pretending to smoke pipes. But during a 10-year study of a community of chimps in Uganda, scientists found something terrifying.

Every once in a while groups of strong chimp males would form up and head north, toward the border between their territory and the land of the neighboring tribe. They'd move through the jungle silently and in a single-file line, with practically no eating, socializing, or masturbating allowed. They'd stealthily scavenge for signs of individuals from the other tribe, such as feces, abandoned termite-fishing tools, etc. When they found a member of the northern tribe off on his own, then they'd gang up on his ass and murder him, goddamn Sam Fisher-style.

Then they did it again. And again. It wasn't just random animal-on-animal savagery; when the scientists studied the pattern of the attacks, they found the chimps were at war.


During the decade they watched the area, scientists saw 18 of these attacks, mostly all along the northern border, wiping out more than 13 rival chimps from a tribe of 100 (you don't get kill ratios like than in most human wars). And each time, they moved the border north. They were fighting over land, and doing it in a very organized way.

This isn't some freak occurrence, either. In Tanzania, researchers witnessed a chilling civil war when one tribe of chimps got angry and split off from a larger tribe. Over the next five years, the group of heretics destroyed the original tribe with a series of covert attacks.


Read more: http://www.cracked.com/article_18766_5-creepy-ways-animal-societies-are-organizing.html#ixzz12e5PvfFu
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-10 02:25 PM
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1. Cracked.com? Really?
Edited on Sun Oct-17-10 02:25 PM by MineralMan
Can you find some other source for this, please? Cracked.com is a humor site and a satire site. Now, this may well be a valid story, but that is not at all a reliable source.
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-10 02:29 PM
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3. They have sources in the article, here is one:
http://www.cell.com/current-biology/fulltext/S0960-9822(10)00459-8#Summary

Chimpanzees make lethal coalitionary attacks on members of other groups <1>. This behavior generates considerable attention because it resembles lethal intergroup raiding in humans <2>. Similarities are nevertheless difficult to evaluate because the function of lethal intergroup aggression by chimpanzees remains unclear. One prominent hypothesis suggests that chimpanzees attack neighbors to expand their territories and to gain access to more food <2>. Two cases apparently support this hypothesis, but neither furnishes definitive evidence. Chimpanzees in the Kasekela community at Gombe National Park took over the territory of the neighboring Kahama community after a series of lethal attacks <3>. Understanding these events is complicated because the Kahama community had recently formed by fissioning from the Kasekela group and members of both communities had been provisioned with food. In a second example from the Mahale Mountains, the M group chimpanzees acquired part of the territory of the adjacent K group after all of the adult males in the latter disappeared <4>. Although fatal attacks were suspected from observations of intergroup aggression, they were not witnessed, and as a consequence, this case also fails to furnish conclusive evidence. Here we present data collected over 10 years from an unusually large chimpanzee community at Ngogo, Kibale National Park, Uganda. During this time, we observed the Ngogo chimpanzees kill or fatally wound 18 individuals from other groups; we inferred three additional cases of lethal intergroup aggression based on circumstantial evidence (see Supplemental Information ). Most victims were caught in the same region and likely belonged to the same neighboring group. A causal link between lethal intergroup aggression and territorial expansion can be made now that the Ngogo chimpanzees use the area once occupied by some of their victims.

Here is another:

http://sitemaker.umich.edu/mitani/research

And cracked has people on it who pull together info into one place and make it readable and enjoyable, I try not to be biased especially when they provide links.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-10 02:31 PM
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4. So, why not link to an original source in the first place?
Every time an article is rewritten, it loses some of its accuracy. I'm sorry, but, when it's that easy to find an original source, why not post that?
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-10 02:32 PM
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7. Because that is not where I read it from, is it that hard for you to click on the links??
Or look up things if you doubt them on something we call a 'search engine'?
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Edweird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-10 02:43 PM
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10. Yeah, cracked. It's actually factual. Deal with it.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-10 02:28 PM
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2. Here is a reliable source for this story:
http://news.discovery.com/animals/chimp-war-behavior.html

Googling chimps at war was all that I had to do to find a reliable source. Cracked.com is never a good source to quote, even though they do sometimes run factual articles.
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-10 02:31 PM
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5. They make other dry articles fun to read
Knowledge can be entertaining
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JamesA1102 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-10 02:31 PM
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6. Here's an exclusive pic of the Chimps at war
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WingDinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-10 02:32 PM
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8. I wonder if the diff between chimps and bonobo's is same as Dems and rethugs.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-10 02:34 PM
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9. This has been known for a while.
Chimps are the only other species besides us that has inter-group conflicts that can be called wars.
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Ozymanithrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-10 03:36 PM
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11. War is in our genes...and warrior is the second oldest profression. n/t
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azul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-10 06:37 PM
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14. Guess your're saying we're doomed and whorable murderers?
And we might as well give in to our wicked natures, because it's only natural?

Thank goodness the majority of us are Good Christians and have outlawed such behaviors. Chimps look up to us, you know.
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Contrary1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-10 03:43 PM
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12. "Researchers are finding that monkey group behavior and Wall Street brokers have a lot in common."
One of the kinks within the original article...very interesting.

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/11/02/economics.monkey.business/index.html
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3waygeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-10 03:58 PM
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13. Of course chimps wage war...
as we learned between 2002 and 2008.

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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-10 06:45 PM
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15. Well, of course.
Is anyone really surprised?
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