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tiptoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 10:01 PM
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“Likely Voter” samples over-represent the GOP (MUST-READ) -- from Jonathan Simon
Richard Charnin (TruthIsAll) 10/15 Midterms Forecast:
Kick & 'Recommend' access HERE
MSM Likely Voter Polls Preparing the Cover for GOP Fraud


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From Jonathan Simon:
“Likely Voter” samples over-represent the GOP (MUST-READ)*
Will any mainstream pollster—like Nate Silver—ever deign to talk about this matter?

MCM


Mark,

Stephen Herrington’s examination of the polling sleight-of-hand that occurs when pollsters move to “Likely Voter” samples as elections approach unfortunately misses a key point, perhaps the key point.

The “Likely Voter” samples, which so strongly favor the Republicans relative to the “Registered Voter” samples, are generated by the “Likely Voter Cutoff Model” (LVCM), first instituted several years ago by an extreme right-wing descendant of the reputable and venerable George Gallup.

What LVCM does is exclude (“cut off”) entirely from the sample any respondents who do not pass the seven-question “Likely Voter” test which Herrington reproduces and which is now a polling standard. Thus a whole group of voters who will in fact go to the polls (their aggregate likelihood of voting might be 30% or 50%) are assigned a zero likelihood of voting and dropped from the sample (a methodologically sound poll would weight responses based on respondents’ likelihood of voting, but not arbitrarily assign a zero weight, excluding them entirely). As Herrington notes, these excluded respondents are disproportionately Democratic voters. “Likely Voter” polls therefore substantially oversample Republicans and their results are skewed accordingly.

Here’s the rub: these Likely Voter polls are used and relied upon because, in the era of computerized voting, they keep getting important and competitive elections “right.” How can a poll that relies upon a methodological abomination “work” so well? No one—certainly not pollsters or the MSM—is bothering to ask this disturbing little question. Disturbing because the only rational answer is that the official vote-counts themselves are skewed Republican or “red-shifted.”

Election forensics experts have found the red-shift-rightward shift of vote-counts relative to exit polls, tracking polls, and hand counts—in every biennial election since 2002. What we’re seeing now, however, is that polling is catching up to the red shift. Tracking polls use the LVCM to account for the unexplained but pervasive pattern of competitive contests coming out more Republican than a methodologically sound poll would predict. And both tracking and exit polls are now weighted according to demographics (e.g., party ID) drawn from exit polls “adjusted” rightward to match red-shifted votecounts in prior elections, a further boost to Republicans.

So, outcome-determinative computerized manipulation of elections to the right now enjoys full cover from distorted tracking polls and exit polls. “Shocking” results are no longer shocking if they’ve been predicted by the polls. The LVCM is a big part of that story, since it adds to the weighting distortion derived from the “adjusted” exit polls of prior elections. It’s all sewn up rather neatly and, unless someone influential begins asking the disturbing little questions immediately, will ensure that election theft continues to determine the direction of America in this bizarre new world of computerized “democracy.”

–Jon


*ed. note: links and emphasis added.


Learn more about the ongoing Pre-election Polling Scam from Richard Charnin, the only forecaster who factors fraud into an election model of analysis:

Richard Charnin (TruthIsAll) 10/15 Midterms Forecast: MSM Likely Voter Polls Preparing the Cover for GOP Fraud
Kick & 'Recommend' access HERE





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mediaman007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 10:38 PM
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1. The polls cover up the theft!
So how did we get elected in 2006 (Congress) and 2008? Probably so the Corporates could lay the blame on the Democrats before the begin their next theft: Social Security. After that it will be too late.
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diane in sf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 10:45 PM
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2. We probably won by even bigger margins than the record shows. It's easier to steal elections
when the results are very close.
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verifiedvote2004 Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-10 07:42 AM
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4. E2006 and E2008
No, E2006 and E2008 both involved dramatic 11th hour shifts in electoral dynamics, overwhelming the preset red-shift manipulations. In E2006, it was the Foley scandal (and the Haggard and Swaggert scandals, and Woodward's book State Of Denial) that sent the GOP into a quantified freefall in the month before the election (Cook Political Survey's Generic Congressional Ballot was Dem +9% at the beginning of October, Dem +26% at the end of October - a freefall of unprecedented proportions, that foretold an enormous Dem LANDSLIDE, which was of course DENIED).

In E2008 it was the fall of Lehman Brothers and the crash of the markets, which occurred in late September and had a similar disastrous impact on McCain, turning a close race into a blowout. In each case, an attempted manipulation written into the memory cards, was already long-since calibrated (mis-calibrated, as it turned out) and deployed. There was no opportunity to recalibrate and redeploy, at least not without drawing a great deal of attention (memory cards being swapped out in tens of thousands of precincts within a couple of weeks of the election wouldn't have passed the smell test). Hence the Democratic victories which, based on the measured red shift, would have been Republican victories in the absence of the bizarre October Surprises in each case.

Unfortunate effect: pretty much everyone not deeply dedicated to election forensics and trained to look deeper into the electoral dynamics, drew the conclusion that the Right would simply not "rig to lose" and that therefore concerns about electoral theft were overblown at best and more likely silly fantasies of conspiracy theorists.
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-10 12:55 AM
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3. K & R
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-10 07:48 AM
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5. Well, he's right and he's wrong.
A methodologically sound poll would try to take a RANDOM sample of the electorate. Polls should not be trying to predict who will vote at all.

OTOH, he is quite correct that any "likely voter" scenario has an inherently conservative bias, in the sense that it excludes ALL first time voters (Meg Whitman for example) and includes regular voters that will nevertheless skip it this time.

All "likely voter" scenarios assume the future will be like that past, an assumption that we all know is wrong.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-10 07:50 AM
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6. I Am Now Convinced That Voting Is A Pointless Exercise And The Results Are Predetermined
Edited on Tue Oct-19-10 07:50 AM by DemocratSinceBirth
I was going to vote this morning, my state has early voting, but will go to the park or gym instead. TruthIsAll has finally convinced me of the futility of voting. And canvassing, precinct walking, phoning-forget about it.
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tiptoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-10 01:52 PM
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7. The analysis in NO WAY suggests that voting is pointless. That is a red-herring. The analysis PROVES
Edited on Tue Oct-19-10 02:49 PM by tiptoe



http://bit.ly/cmQf2Y


...THE ANALYSIS PROVES THAT  THE DEMOCRATS MUST COME OUT IN DROVES  TO OVERCOME THE BUILT-IN SYSTEMIC FRAUD — LIKE THEY DID IN 2006 AND 2008.


THEY CAME OUT IN DROVES IN 2004 BUT THE FRAUD WAS SO MASSIVE THEY COULD NOT OVERCOME IT.


Thank you, DSB, for the opportunity to clarify that for others.


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tiptoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-10 11:47 PM
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8. "Fatal Flaw"-NDN Challenges Gallup To Revise or Drop its 2010 Election Polling
Edited on Thu Oct-21-10 11:48 PM by tiptoe


Gallup's Likely Voter Model Has Fatal Flaw - NDN Challenges Gallup To Revise or Drop its 2010 Election Polling

Gallup's Likely Voter Model Has Fatal Flaw - NDN Challenges Gallup To Revise or Drop its 2010 Election Polling
Submitted by Simon Rosenberg on 10/20/10
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Several weeks ago the Gallup polling organization revised its measure of the "Congressional Generic" poll with a new set of assumptions about what the make up and partisan vote of the 2010 elections might look like. It is our opinion at NDN that the model Gallup came up with is so statistically flawed that Gallup should revise the model and its results or take it down from its website immediately.

According to a new report by Professor Alan Abramowitz, the new Gallup likely voter model has the non-white, non-black vote at 13 percent of the 2010 electorate, and coming in at 52% Republican and 42% Democratic. Simply stated these projections are not a possible statistical outcome in the 2010 elections, and draw into question the integrity of the entire Gallup 2010 elections polling project.

The non-white, non-black portion of the American electorate went more than 2:1 Democratic in 2008 and 2006. Hispanics who make up the largest portion of this slice of the electorate, voted 70% to 30% for the Democrats in 2006, and 67% to 31% for President Obama over John McCain in 2008. In two recent polls of Hispanic voters, these basic ratios have not changed, and if is any movement to be found in these polls it is a drop in support for the Republican Party since 2008. A Latino Decisions poll has the Latino vote now at 59% Democrat, 22% Republican. The most recent, and highly respected, Pew Hispanic poll had it at 65% Democrat, 22% Republican. The gap between the most respected Latino poll in the nation - Pew - and this recent Gallup model is 50% percentage points.

Much of the remaining portion of this non-white, non-black slice of the American electorate is Asian. This community actually voted more Democratic in 2008 than Hispanics.

...more at main link...





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