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Cyrano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-10 05:31 PM
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Racism is alive, well, and thriving in America
Edited on Thu Oct-21-10 05:55 PM by Cyrano
Anyone who thinks the Civil War ended in 1865 is brain dead. That war continued through the Civil Rights era of the 1960s and it hasn’t ended yet. It’s the bread and butter of the Republican Party. They call it their “Southern Strategy.” I call it pure evil. And the Republicans have managed to spread their "Southern Strategy" nationwide.

We have a (1/2) black man in the White House. The most recent troops on the front lines of bigotry are the teabaggers. They shout about taxes, social security, Medicare, “taking back America,” and much more. But don’t buy the crap they’re selling.

For the majority of them, they’re real problem is with what they call the “socialist, liberal, elitist, wine-sipping, Muslim, non-American black man” in the White House.

Limbaugh, Beck, Palin, Fox, and every other wingnut entity owned by big business, has been selling this crap for the past two years. And far too many imbeciles are buying it.

Understand this shit for what it is. It’s always about the wingnuts trying to gain and keep power, wealth and control. But this time around, they’ve been given what they consider to be a gift. Racism.

Anyone who doesn’t understand that this is the main ingredient in their bowl of poison either agrees with them, or just doesn’t “get it” and never will.
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-10 05:34 PM
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1. The South lost the war, but they won reconstruction. n/t
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Cyrano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-10 05:38 PM
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2. Today's racism goes far beyond the South
The Republican party has turned "hating a black man in the White House" into some kind of obscene national pastime.
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JoePhilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-10 05:40 PM
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5. The GOP's Southern Strategy was never just about the South ...
Its impact was simply more pervasive there.

Let's consider PA ... I grew up there. And I've heard people say that PA is Philly on one side, Pittsburgh on the other , and Alabama in between. Having grown up there ... its an accurate description.
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JoePhilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-10 05:38 PM
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3. There is a simple reason why these right wing folks call Obama ...
Socialist
Communist
Nazi
Mao
Stalin
Hitler
Muslim
Terrorist
Kenyan
Inner City thug
Elitist

They are using every alternative attack word they can come up with ... except of course, for the one word they know they can't use.

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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-10 05:40 PM
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4. Who you telling?! And in the DEMOCRATIC PARTY!!! n/t
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-10 05:41 PM
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6. It's been simmering just below the surface for decades. Now it's balls-out.
It seems the teabaggers feel safety in numbers.
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Confusious Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-10 05:44 PM
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7. After reading about the beginings of the Republican party,
Edited on Thu Oct-21-10 05:49 PM by Confusious
and the beginnings of the civil war, it was always there.

Some northern states barred black people from even entering the state. They didn't like slavery because it competed with white labor. They didn't give two shits about black people. Racism was alive and well throughout the united states, just in different forms.

Some things the republican party believes in today can be traced back if. You google "free soil" you can find some of it.

Some parts of the country grew, others just stayed and wallowed in being backwards and had to be dragged forward ( The old south ) and still have to be dragged forward at a snails pace.

I say we just go on without them.
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-10 05:48 PM
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8. There is no prejudice in the North?
Edited on Thu Oct-21-10 05:50 PM by pacalo
That's contrary to what my husband, a former army brat, told me. He said one reason the South gets a lot of attention on racism is that integration began in the South years ahead of the North. He lived in a few northern states, also a western state, in his younger days, & he said he saw just as much, if not more, instances of prejudice.
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Confusious Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-10 05:52 PM
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9. It got attention because the south tried to stop it

Haven't you seen the images of the the police with hoses and dogs?

The president nationalized the state guard to integrate a college. Alabama I believe it was.
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-10 06:04 PM
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11. It happened during my high school years so, yes, of course I know all about that.
I should have added another thought I had in regard to my post: we'll never know how well integration might have been handled if it had been introduced in the North.
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Confusious Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-10 06:07 PM
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12. Yes we do
School segregation in the North was also a major issue.<33> In Illinois, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and New Jersey, towns near the Mason-Dixon line enforced school segregation, despite state laws outlawing the practice of it.<33> Indiana also required school segregation by state law.<33> During the 1940s, however, NAACP lawsuits quickly depleted segregation from the Illinois, Ohio, Pennsylvania and New Jersey southern areas.<33> In 1949, Indiana officially repealed its school segregation law as well.<33> The most common form of segregation in the northern states came from anti-miscegenation laws.<22>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_segregation_in_the_United_States#In_the_North
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-10 06:36 PM
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18. Those instances, shown by your provided material, were undone.
And your information also says that integration in the North was most common through anti-miscegenation laws. I was referring more to the school environment rather than inter-racial marriages.

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Confusious Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-10 06:45 PM
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20. Well, the sentance goes
Edited on Thu Oct-21-10 06:46 PM by Confusious
The most common form of segregation in the northern states came from anti-miscegenation laws.<22>

Meaning that a few schools were segregated, a few places, but they gave up the battle quickly when they saw the writing on the wall. The most common form was anti-miscegenation laws, which were in most of the states.
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-10 06:50 PM
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21. Did you mean to write "integration" instead of segregation
Edited on Thu Oct-21-10 06:50 PM by pacalo
in the first sentence, last paragraph?
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Confusious Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-10 06:54 PM
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22. Nope
Edited on Thu Oct-21-10 06:56 PM by Confusious
Most northern schools gave up after 54. There was still segregation in the south until 65, some small spots even farther down

Good map:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Educational_separation_in_the_US_prior_to_Brown_Map.svg
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-10 07:10 PM
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24. That was before Brown v Board of Education
but thanks.
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Confusious Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-10 07:15 PM
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25. You were asking how the north handled it
Edited on Thu Oct-21-10 07:18 PM by Confusious
Your husband stated that the south started before the north.

I've shown you both.

The north desegregated before the south, with minor problems. Or, said the same way with a different word, the north integrated before the south, with minor problems.

The south was still segregated in schools into the late 50's, and it took the national guard to stop it. Other places in the south were still segregated into the 60's, and that took the civil rights act to stop. After it's passage, Dixiecrats went republican, and the south did too.

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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-10 08:00 PM
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27. Okay, point taken.
But please understand that I agree with all the points made in this thread about the ignorance & hatred that is shown toward Obama.

I only intended to point out that this attitude isn't limited to the South. The Dixiecrats are those who had problems with integration being government-forced. (I'm a life-long Democrat, so please don't misconstrue that I'm sympathetic to their ignorance.) The North wasn't government-forced, so we'll never know how northerners would have reacted.

The Civil War comments will live on & on here at DU, partly because of the valid resentment of George Bush from "Texas", but I value my husband's judgment, he's got substance, & I will gladly stick with the opinion he gave to me.

Good talking with you, Confusious. :)



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Art_from_Ark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-10 11:55 PM
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30. There were at least 2 incidents where the President nationalized
the state guard to integrate a university:

The University of Alabama
The University of Mississippi ("Ole Miss")
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Cyrano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-10 05:52 PM
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10. Reread a few of the foregoing posts. This isn't about the South.
It's about how the Republican Party has been so successful at spreading the disease of racism country wide. It's a Party that's selling the only thing they have to sell. Hatred.
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-10 06:15 PM
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14. That point was good & of course I'm with you.
Edited on Thu Oct-21-10 06:39 PM by pacalo
The parts that I found blistering were your thoughts about the Civil War continuing.

I've read lots of vicious comments against the South but haven't run across any against the North since I registered here in 2004. A thread was locked the other day before I could respond.

Just wanted to point out my husband's comments because he lived in both the North & the South.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-10 06:08 PM
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13. Have You Seen This ???
Edited on Thu Oct-21-10 06:09 PM by WillyT
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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-10 06:17 PM
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15. I hear ya. But Obama refers to himself as a black man, not a "(1/2) black" man
Anyone who doesn’t understand that this is the main ingredient in their bowl of poison either agrees with them, or just doesn’t “get it” and never will.

Absolutely.
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political_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-10 06:25 PM
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17. +100000 I agree totally.
Edited on Thu Oct-21-10 06:25 PM by political_Dem
And Number 23, thank you so much for the support and link you gave me the other night. I learned quite a lot in an oasis of calm. I appreciate it most heartedly. :hi:
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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-10 07:44 PM
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26. It was my pleasure.
:)
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political_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-10 06:19 PM
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16. This country was built on racism, Manifest Destiny and white privilege.
Edited on Thu Oct-21-10 06:27 PM by political_Dem
Even after two centuries, white privilege and institutional racism is a racket too good to give up to the point of its "recipients" denying it exists while receiving the bounty of the land. When that "racket" is being threatened with a change in power, the dominant culture kicks into gear to continue letting the good times roll.

America is the land of plenty--for some.
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-10 10:31 PM
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28. Yes, it absolutely was.
The entire expansion of our nation was based on the idea that we deserved to take and own anything we wanted, because we were more worthy of having it than any non-white, less-human people who already had it. They weren't using it as well as we could. They didn't deserve the bounty of it as much as we did.

Those beliefs haven't died. And we still haven't don't anything to pay for how we acquired all our land in the past.

We haven't even begun to accept that there is any need to make reparations for braking every treaty we ever signed in order to steal all that land and all those resources.

In a nation that supposedly worships capitalism and the sanctity of contracts that's an odd omission for us to make. Contracts are only sacred, and must only be enforced, when they benefit us. Otherwise, we apparently have a sacred duty to brake those contracts at the most convenient time, and in the most brutal possible way. x(
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-10 06:42 PM
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19. Cyrano, How many YEARS have we asked
"WHEN can the Civil War end? " :argh:
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Zax2me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-10 07:00 PM
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23. I hear this kind of talk at work all the time.
Not to me necessarily, but overheard, and group talk.
Well, all except the 'non-American black man'. That one I never hear.
But socialist, liberal - wine-sipping - get that each and every day in reference to Obama. Or really Democrats in general, not just Obama.
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oswaldactedalone Donating Member (284 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-10 11:07 PM
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29. To the OP
Well said, I completely agree.
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