I am so SICK of hearing "testicles", "balls" and "man up" as signs of strength.

That is all. Just sick of it.

I, for one, have a great set of...ovaries and intestines. AND I have seen quite a few men in my lifetime bow to their superiority.

Notice its not men saying this its women - fits with the ball busting dominatrix fetish of the far right.

ball-busting dominatrix IS a right-wing thing(don't ask me how I know)

:)

both to be the most precious and the most fragile?





Anyone?.....

KIDDING!

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. . . wait for it . . .

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=2197154

I got laughed out of the room. Apparently, objecting to the "testicles = strength, no testicles = weakness" paradigm is considered "a joke" and "PC run amok".

there goes that theory.

............ever since the advent of steroids, most of the MALE powerlifters have no testicals anymore either. LOL

That's what I like about you! :pals:

it's pretty much the same reaction I get posting the lyrics to "gender neutral blues"

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Titanium Ovaries myself ;)

What do you expect?

:P

It is sad that we can only use male body parts and masculine imagery to denote strength and courage. And female strength is oft represented as either the strength to suffer, or the fierce wild uncontrolled violent rage of the animal mother defending her children, both of which are really asinine images for strength or courage.

Republicans, of course, practically weep in joy thinking of those metaphors.

she wasn't in the room.

I'm glad you edited for accuracy.

But make no mistake, it was done by her surrogates repeatedly.

Glad to edit for accuracy.

and actions.

Have a good day!

:hi: You have a great day too!

...wouldn't go very far? :)

'Ovaries' doesn't roll off the tongue in the short, sweet manner that is sometimes required at the moment.

Nads, on the other hand, applies to both male and female.

I prefer goNADS (and use it frequently)

It's all low brow and pointless, on top of the sexism involved.

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guys will get called a *pussy* if they are considered weak or indecisive. I actually think this is more of a problem than the whole "balls" thing.

It doesn't really insult *me* to be called that. I mean, you might as well call me *chocolate ice-cream* or *winning lottery ticket*.

just had her first baby.

This is part of the narrative in American culture.. this is why violence against women is epidemic, and largely ignored..

Using feminine references as some kind of ultimate insult stirs up further hatred against women.

...I'm British and calling anyone a pussy was the same as calling them a 'scaredy cat'. Isn't that what it means in the US too? It means you're timid, not that you're a female.

Ever watch 'Are You Being Served'? The old lady was always going on about her 'pussy', and yes, the innuendo was the humour because we all know that in the US the term has sexual connotations. But I grew up on Pussy Cat, Pussy Cat where have you been? and Puss In Boots Pantos. I never equate the term 'You're such a Pussy' as having anything to do with females.

Or a tit.

Ugh, so hateful to women

end of argument

How can you prove that?

a cold and wah wwah wah you'd think they were dying. try having the flu and still taking care of three kids, one of whom is a year old! i'd like to see that one. i carry my youngest around while doing my everyday things... my husband holds her for five minutes and his arm is tired. MEN prove it EVERY DAY!

:eyes:

So are we crybabies, or tough enough to have our genitals chopped up?

and expanded to that 10cm. my first two kids were easy.... i was in the hospital for four hours before my first two were born. now my third, after 5 hours i told them to give me the epidural. i had my first two without anything. i am telling you, you couldn't handle it. if men had to go through chidlbirth, we would have gone extinct. period.

:eyes:

And there's no envy there.:hug:

... your husband is a whining wah wah who proves it every day.

It proves NOTHING.

Who picked your husband? Who pick the other men around whom you find yourself?

If you find that "every man" you've ever know will "cry as soon as there is a hint of any illness," you're picking weak men to be around.

I've known a lot of men and women, and don't find such traits as you describe more in one group than another.

nt

Is this the part where I'm supposed to just nod? I seemed to have missed that Oprah episode.

I inferred it quite clearly as metaphor. But then, I read for context rather than concentrating on exemplifying that very condition the OP (or lack of condition, as the case may be) was referring to as so many of your posts in this thread have done.

Quite the bemusing little irony.

I missed yours. Would you be so kind as to point it out to us?

:shrug:

End of argument.

aren't man enough to handle childbirth. Or that we lack the balls. Or perhaps, "you're having a baby. Stop whining about an epidural and man up."

But I wouldn't. ... he he.

;-)

Curses. Foiled again.

http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=7795344&page=1

As is "don't be a pussy."

I see both as terms of empowerment. No problem there.

My wife uses that one on me. It was funny for a while...

She also introduced me to her family as her "first husband."

Honestly, if one wanted to cripple, a swift kick there would put me out of commission for awhile. So I don't understand the association of that area with strength or fortitude.

thus moving their genes and bloodline forward more than actual physical strength. strong sperm, which would reside in that area.

She didn't throw it, mind you, but gently tossed it on my lap. It hit my testicles at the "right" angle, I suppose, and I promptly fell to the ground in pain. I'm no stranger to pain, I hyperextended my knee in high school and tore all my cartilage in my left leg, I used to put out cigars on my tongue in college to amuse people. But that was one of the most painful things that ever happened to me. Sometimes I think having testicles is god's way of putting men in their place.

“Eternal boyhood is the dream of a depressing percentage of American males, and the locker room is the temple where they worship arrested development. Russell Baker

walking up to guys and saying, "Hey, girls." Telling guys that they don't have the ovaries to _______________... or saying that they've got ovaries of steel.

Pretty much all of the time, they don't like it.

I don't know you but I love you already.

Especially the one about "Hey, girls." Bwahahahahahahahaha. LOLROTFLMAO until I pee myself funny.

I've done it so long now that it is automatic. I never say "hey guys" anymore... women, men, mixed company... it is always, "Hey, girls."

Oh...I see I am not the only one!

:D


I've been using "ovaries" for a while, but "Hey girls".......... heeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

when they embark on a brave act, or else WHY does
this expression even exist?

When I embark on a brave act, I DON'T feel a surge
of activity in my ovaries.

I feel it in the pit of my stomach.

Any male care to enlighten me on this theory?

:evilgrin:

PB

Of course, I mean any action that SHOULD be
undertaken or MUST be undertaken, that involves
a certain amount peril.

:P

That takes REAL courage, REAL spine. It happens every day, in this country. Look around you.

I usually feel it in my stomach, but I feel most stress in my stomach.

I guess it IS purely sexist, huh?

Man = brave & strong

Woman = scared & weak

The term, "guts," has more meaning to me, since I do feel stress in my stomach.

When you are in grave peril your testicles retreat to your stomach. ;-)

Simple as that. Throughout human history men have assumed their superiority over women in all things, thus, the choice of exclusively male body parts to describe strength, courage and decisiveness and female body parts to describe weakness, cowardlyness and indecisiveness. It was not long ago at all that men actually truely believed that women are were not as intelligent or as capable as men, and sadly some still do believe that.

Freakazoids. Bet you wouldn't like it if it was your gender being oppressed and abused.

:eyes:

..of any cultural bias that exists, don't you? Emphasizing hyper male traits as being desired, or positive, actually do have a negative effect on how males view females, and how females view themselves.. Think about it.

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masculine characteristic. I don't need a strap on to illustrate I have guts.

Diminish, rationalize, etc. Anything but facing up to issue, and discussing it fairly and intelligently.

uh, oh, never mind. :rofl:

You plus arugula latte.

I was wondering when someone would get tired of all this ballsack man-up talk - though it's usually Republican candidates spewing this garbage and we know they're misogynists - even the women!

I should include a "sarcasm" tag, but the above expression is gender-neutral. Women can "grow a pair" of ovaries.

Reminds me of a Brian McNeill song that always stuck with me - Strong Women Rule Us All With Their Tears.

Natural food? Or something different that I can't quite grasp yet?

If you catch my drift.

..it's especially disappointing to see that they are so popular at a progressive discussion board such as this..

The qualities of courage, strength, conviction, etc., are not specific to one gender, so why promote that idea?

Add to that "cojones" - UUGGGHHH!!

Whether it's women or men saying it, it is really irritating.

The Scrotum Song - The Asylum Street Spankers

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Epz7WbhpHZo

spread it.

It still gets the point across, but doesn't rely on tired old sexist notions.

:eyes:

Er, crooked.

''just give yourself an episiotomy and git 'er done!''

Her rationale being that uteri aren't exactly weak given what they're designed to go through and that her half of the species might as well get in on the anatomical-metaphor-for-strength game.

I try to be ecumenical with that sort of thing myself (I'm a fierce advocate of being a vertebrate), but I kinda liked the approach, and it was unexpected enough that it resulted in my using the male equivalents less often.

Thanks for having the balls to stand up to those sexist bastards.

Gotta love these men bashing threads.

that it is the be all, end all in order to have dominance. not the testosterone itself.

usage - the idiots hired to trim trees at our property who cut the tree to the ground had no clit.

people who ride roughshod over things or are generally oblivious and insensitive, have no clit.

:shrug:

:evilgrin:



actually, i agree completely. but then again, as a lefty, i also don't like "dexterity" and "sinister" which associate good things and bad things with the the latin roots for "right" and "left", respectively.

There are words we can't say because (being female parts of the anatomy) you folks get offended, now you are offended by seeing/hearing about male anatomy?


Censorship, practiced in the strangest places.


What is the saying? man what?

Its a total cheap shot but the media loves it. Sickening.

they will. And the men who continue to employ such sexist language? They won't have the ovaries to change.

Anyone with an ounce of common sense realizes that such figures of speeches are nothing more than that. It doesn't degrade women at all and anyone that thinks it does needs to pull their head out of their fantasy world ass and act like an adult. I guess we could just change the expression to "Have the ovaries....", but then silly people like you will just get all upset because you will claim it degrades women that have had to have their ovaries removed from medical reasons. Yup, thats how insanely silly it is.

I've heard tons of women use those same expressions all the time. Its not going away because there is no reason for it to. You will hopefully grow old and pass on, and people will still be using expressions like that and there isn't anything you can do about it.

Both of which were in common use during my lifetime.

:rofl:

Pathetic

Care to elaborate?

We can sit around and talk about expressions like "grow some balls" and "man up" etc., and endlessly moan about how they're sexist and wrong, but the truth is they're basically meaningless parts of the vocabulary being made into something much more than they really are.

They're figures of speech, nothing more. They are not meant as insults to women or anyone else other than the person they're directed at. Telling someone to "grow some balls" has been around for years and the only one who is insulted or offended by it is a politically correct overly-sensitive fool who should spend more time worrying about the shitstorm going on this world rather than this kind of petty nonsense.

I'm sick and tired of people thinking we need to walk on tipee-toes and be oh-so-careful about what we say. And starting a goddamn thread about it seems to me to be ridiculous in the extreme.

Because if a person actually takes the advice, they may get in trouble. Especially if it's school bullying.

And then they will wash their hands of you.

Thanks!

This election will be a test about whether voters have even a semblance of average intelligence. The bell curve says 74% do, but I'm starting to wonder.

You got something against peope who walk with a limp?

:eyes:

:rofl:

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:D

Why are GOP women the ones who seem drawn to that line of thought?

Is it testicle envy?

Get a pair of ovaries, why don'tcha...