Are you a Liberal/Progressive or a Third Way-er?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism_in_the_United_States#The_New_Deal">FDR or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Way_(centrism)">Clinton?

Or is this a shitty comparison?

FDR would cry. =/

Always have been, always will be.

I am a liberal.

compared to the third way crowd?

However, Progressives are not Liberals and I'd really prefer that they not be equated.

spectrum.

Historically, progressivism has done much to enhance individual liberties, but also acted to curtail them. For instance, one of the biggest successes of the original progressive movement was Prohibition.

So, no, I won't say that progressives and liberals are on the same side of the spectrum. Now those progressives here are all left wing progressives.

I'm still waiting on a real decision by the progressive movement about what that movement stands for. It is, at this time, just a bit diffuse.

The more this country and its political discourse moves to the right, the more I seem to go in the other direction. Especially now, after witnessing the tacit agreement between the government and Wall Street that working people should take the hit for this last bubble. I think that was the very last straw for me.

The two are not the same thing.

Too many people don't know their political history; the Progressives of the late 1800s-early 1900s were a distinct political movement, generally more radically populist and to the left of Liberalism.

I don't want to be called a "liberal".

sw

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Democrat

(Other than punching the candidates that have the (D) after them, assuming you actually do that.)

I have actually read the party platform and agree with most things in it. Unlike many who agree with what they think is in it or what they think should be in it.

Equal pay for women
Support of farmers
Ending DADT
Healthcare reform with true options
Safety net programs

IF you read the platform, you clearly see that it places individual rights alongside the needs of society. It does NOT place the needs of society before individual rights as some do. That is why I am happy to work with what the party is, rather than always being pissed because it is not what I want it to be.

...won't they get in trouble with Conservative Democrats for pushing Big Government?

but for myself, safety net programs are a viable need and I support them as long as they are true to their intended meaning. I don't think any Democrat would want to get rid of social security, but I know plenty who want it to be the safety net it was intended to be instead of the retirement program it has become.

Sorry, but I don't see how fighting true discrimination is pushing big government.

thank you

I want politics to be how we manage our economy, not taking turns with gangsters who want to manage our jobs, and security for their benefit. That firm belief puts me left of progressive, we should all be equal, in total empowerment of our own lives, cooperating with each other with online Democratic processes and Dems aren't thinking of that yet.

that was under FDR, right?

Sid

Sort of in between the two options I think.

and they tend to think and say that. That will make the poll inaccurate.

go stare into a mirror - if you aren't already.

not because of it.

If I were scapegoating someone, I would be blaming people for laws that did not pass. But in this case, laws did pass, that you will likely be cheering about in 10 years and hoping no one sees your posts about them today. (Just like opponents of Social Security from the "left" in the 30s pretended they never opposed Social Security.)

You may want to slow the pace of embarrassing statements you make at this site. Limit yourself to 50 a day initially, and try to taper down gradually. Don't try doing it all at once, or you'll liable to strain something.

Everyone here knows how fair and liberal and progressive you really are. I just make up your statements out of whole cloth, and then I stick the cloth in your mouth, because I'm mean like that.

Nobody was quoting you - nobody said that you said Nelson or Stupac were progressives; but it is the absurd implication of your deranged rhetoric against Progressives.

You said people calling themselves progressives opposed "change" championed by Obama. In reality, we all know that conservatives Ben Nelson, and Max Baucus, Bart Stupac and others like him are the ones who blew up Obama's Hope and Change bus. Yes, it really happened, and No Progressives didn't do this to Obama.

Conservadems were the ones who held up legislation repeatedly to water it down, and Conservadems were the ones who invited Repukes like Grassley or Snowe to help them water it down. Layer by layer they removed its beneficial impacts and bit by bit they ground down the momentum of "Change". Conservadems, Blew Dogs, DLCers did this - not Liberals/Progressives. And just as bad, constant Conservadem defection and hostage taking made it look to many people like Democrats can't govern and like Obama isn't in charge of his own party. Not only are Nelson and Stupac and Baucus not classified by others as progressive liberal Democrats, they would run away hollering like stuck pigs from anyone trying to pin that label on them.

If you want to blame Progressives for the wreck of the Change bus, you would need to explain to all of us why all the well-known, serial saboteurs like Nelson, Baucus, Stupac should be considered as members of that Liberal/Progressive category. You won't be able to convince people that those specific names fit in your general category of Progressives. That's not "making statements up out of whole cloth", and attributing them to you, that's just revealing the absurdity of your prior statements.

does not logically imply that anyone who opposes change are "progressives." I mean, this is really basic stuff. If A implies B, B does not necessarily imply A. Your implication that I claimed Stupak or Nelson were progressives is bullshit.


I also never said you stopped change. Quite the contrary -- change succeeded DESPITE you. All I was saying was that you OPPOSE change -- not that you SUCCEEDED in killing change. Luckily, there are still plenty of rational people who see the crap you are selling for what it is (such as the 85% of liberal Democrats who approve of Obama's job performance, and a similar percentage of Democrats who approve of healthcare).

even though they know they're not libs/progs. DLC tries (unsuccessfully) to hide behind leftist descriptions.

yesterday.

Skinner was asking Liberals what kind of Liberal they are. I'm asking if people are Liberals or Third-Wayers.

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:hi: PF!

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Radical=raddix=Root.

Radicals get to the ROOT of the problem, and want to solve them, rather than putting lipstick on them.

PERIOD.