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kstewart33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 04:50 PM
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What Biden gaffe? There's no gaffe.
Listen to the actual audio of Biden's 'gaffe.' There's a big difference between the actual audio and how its been transcripted.

Audio link: http://www.brightcove.com/title.jsp?title=463858485


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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 04:53 PM
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1. Biden sounds incredulous that it could even happen. A "storybook"
How is the transcript incorrect?
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 05:12 PM
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12. it leaves out the comma
between "african american" and "who".
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 04:53 PM
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2. No, that's a gaffe...
because it implies that Jesse Jackson wasn't clean or something, or Al Sharpton, and it just in general sounds like he has an attitude against African Americans. Senator Biden has a history of this stuff, so it's not out of the realm of possibility, it in fact it doesn't make this extremely likely.
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cspanlovr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 04:55 PM
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3. I wonder if he meant to say "clean cut", which IS an expression thats well known and used
by people of a certain age. Whadaya think?
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 04:58 PM
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4. when they are talking about black men? n/t
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 05:07 PM
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9. when they talk about any other man. nt
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 05:11 PM
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11. was I asking you? n/t
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 05:16 PM
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15. It's an expression you hear a lot in the military community. nt
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 05:23 PM
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20. Biden/Obama in the military? n/t
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 09:32 PM
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34. That's the way Biden's generation spoke...
as much as I can't stand Biden, he's not a racist.
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wakeme2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 04:58 PM
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5. I do not like Biden but this is up with Edward's House..
:shrug:

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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 04:59 PM
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6. i agree with you. much ado about nothing.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 05:03 PM
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8. Edward's house is a personal lifestyle decision that's not really anyone's business but his own.
How is this like that?
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Singular73 Donating Member (999 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 05:02 PM
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7. Free Republic should just close down
Since we eat our own young here on a daily basis.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 05:08 PM
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10. Total baloney. Don't blame us for what Biden said. nt
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Taoschick Donating Member (391 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 06:08 PM
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31. We hold our own
Accountable for their words and actions.

Biden screwed up. He put no thought into his words before he opened his mouth. I've noticed many people trying to spin his comments but I haven't found anyone who wasn't honestly surprised and offended by what he said before they sat down and thought about what he might have meant.
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 05:12 PM
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13. The audio and the transcript are identical
http://www.observer.com/20070205/20070205_Jason_Horowitz_pageone_newsstory1.html

“I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy,” he said. “I mean, that’s a storybook, man.”
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kstewart33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 05:32 PM
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25. Put a comma and a long pause after 'American.'
Which is how he said it. That's a big difference.
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 06:06 PM
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30. How? n/t
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 05:38 PM
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28. there are some 'sort of's' left out, and also the pause
"you've got the first, sort of - mainstream African American (big pause) who is articulate and bright"

The constrast between Obama and Jesse and Sharpton is not that Obama is the first who is articulate and bright, but he is the first who is mainstream. The rest is description of Obama more than it is contrast with Jesse and Sharpton.

Obama is a 'storybook candidate' who also does not stir things up like Jesse or Al by speaking truth to power,

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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 05:16 PM
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14. Sorry, this is a gaffe--and then some
Biden exposes the "I'm not a racist" racism. What Biden is really saying is that Obama doesn't remind people that he is Black, therefore he is mainstream.

Biden's statement reveals the not so attrative underbelly to race relations in the US. You can be Black and rise to positions of power as long as you don't rock the boat for whites--don't deliver speeches in the cadence of Black preachers, don't go out of your way to address AA issues, and by all means don't dress/groom in an afro-centric manner.

The statement by Biden was ugly, and I am disapointed that there are some DUers who don't get it.

God, I knew that the assassination of Dr. King was evil, but the depths of that evil are still being revealed.
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 05:17 PM
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16. I agree
It's not a gaffe; he meant every word he said.
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Beaverhausen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 05:18 PM
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17. Maybe by "clean" he meant no baggage, no past indescretions
Both Sharpton and Jesse Jackson do have a bit of baggage.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 05:22 PM
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19. Of Course He Meant It Harmlessly. Actually It Seemed Obvious. But Looks Like We Got The New
Edited on Wed Jan-31-07 05:28 PM by OPERATIONMINDCRIME
'Edward's House' topic for the week.

Listening to the audio, (I just got home so I hadn't even read a transcript) I saw nothing to knee-jerk at. As much as I'm not a huge fan of Biden, I still feel for him for the depth of attacks on his character that he's going to have to endure in the coming weeks due to this much ado about nothing controversy.
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 05:25 PM
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21. Yes, nothing like Indians at 7/11 n/t
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 05:27 PM
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22. So Narrow Minded. Try Objectivity. It Is An Amazingly Valuable Tool With Situations Like These.
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 06:09 PM
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32. That's me, narrow minded and nonobjective
I think Biden's comments were one more slip of the tongue that create embarrassment for the party in general. After all the time he has spent in office, on television, being interviewed he should know better to watch what he says and HOW he says it.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 05:21 PM
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18. when printed & taken out of context it is very different. thanks for thread.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 05:30 PM
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23. with his ownership by MBNA, he should be a formidably funded candidate
And think of all of our money he hasn't given to the credit card companies yet!
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 05:31 PM
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24. There is no MBNA
you can look it up
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 05:34 PM
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26. Bank of America, Citicorp . . .
move high enough up their food chains and they're all the same few people.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 05:36 PM
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27. You mean the #1 employer of people here in Delaware
Including yours truly. You can't go 10 feet in Delaware without running into someone who works in the banking industry or is related to someone working for the banking industry. You'll find that other senators have the same type of voting trends when it comes to one of the top employer of their state including Mary Landrieu and the Oil Industry, Blanche Lincoln and Wal-Mart.

So you're saying Joe shouldn't support all of us who work for the Credit/Banking industry?
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 05:46 PM
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29. not at the expense of every American
the "bankruptcy" bill and the steady deregulation of banking in this country are outrageous
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 06:17 PM
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33. ?
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