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OregonBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 05:46 PM
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I would love to Move to Mexico and start a small business but it's illegal.
I think that if Americans were allowed to live, work and start business in Mexico, we could turn there economy around. Why are we considering giving them rights to become Americans when we are not allowed to even work there? Is it just me or does it seem patently unfair.
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Henryman Donating Member (187 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 05:48 PM
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1. Two wrongs don't make a right, but three rights makes a left. n/t
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 05:49 PM
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3. Snarf.....! n/t
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terisan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 05:48 PM
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2. Very Unfair; also I believe we are not allowed to own property near coasts. nt
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OregonBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 05:50 PM
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6. Correct but if you have lots of money you can get around it. If you have lots of money
you can also start a business but the average small business person cannot. I love Mexico and would be happy to move my business there if I were allowed. I could then employ Mexicans right there in Mexico.
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Indy_Dem_Defender Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 05:58 PM
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13. I think it's like a
25 miles into the coast, which in Baja pretty much covers the state. My aunt owned a home there for 20 some years, she owned the home but not the land. The government owned the land and after X amount of years she had to start paying rent on the land.

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maveric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 06:08 PM
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22. You can get a 99 year lease from the Mexican govt to buy property.
BUT...the govt can seize that property from you at ANY TIME without warning and you cant do a damn thing about it.
My friend's parents retired, sold their home in San Diego and bought, or "leased", a nice beach front home in Rosarito Beach. Two years later the Mexican govt came by and gave them a 48 hour notice to vacate the property. There was a condo complex that was going in by the beach and the single family dwellings were in the way.
They called the embassy and the officials in San Diego all to no avail. $150,000.00 GONE!
Be careful if you opt for the 99 year lease.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 06:14 PM
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26. You've heard of hte 1848 between the US and Mexico
that is the reason for that national security cordon

You do know the real history of those Americans, that Tejanos with some foresight and Lucal Alaman railed against, since they saw what was comng amile away

The ignorance of folks is just astounding at times
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terisan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 07:56 PM
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49. Thanks. I am reading up on Alaman now.
Do you mean that the restrictions were put in place to keep Mexico from being taken over by USA ?
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 05:49 PM
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Really? I didn't know that.
I don't know if it's necessarily true that we would help their economy....but it does seem unfair.

Is it really hard to become a Mexican citizen?
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 05:49 PM
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4. I know Americans who work in MX, and own a business.
Who says you can't do that? I also have a sister who just built a house there.
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OregonBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 05:53 PM
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9. If she is anywhere near the coast, she must have partial Mexican ownership. If you want to starrt a
business, you have to have plenty of money and a good legal advisor not to mention bribe money. You cannot just to go Mexico and work. You have to get a special visa and they are not given out except to people who can fill jobs that they really cannot or if you know the right person.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 05:57 PM
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12. My sister is a block away from the coast; she joined an association, which
is how she got around that coastal thing. Also, they sign 99 year leases, so don't own the property.
As for the couple who work in MX, he's American, she's Swiss? I don't think the work visas are that difficult to get, but I do think you have to be filling an existing job or, like you said, be providing a service that's unique. For instance, I know there are jobs available at resorts in MX because they need English speakers.
If you're serious, there are many websites out there for you to check out. Here's a link to get you started:
http://www.escapeartist.com/efam/89/efam89.html
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OregonBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 07:43 PM
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47. I don't want tp work for someone, I want to start a business. I have checked it out and it's
amazingly difficult and takes a great deal of money. Lots of rules, laws and they don't really want us there. I will check out the information but I have talked to lots of people doing business there and they are having hard time and having to come up with new solutions to the regulations and bribe network all the time. Thank you.
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 08:47 PM
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55. Do those rules apply just to foreigners or to everyone who wants
to start a small business? You may have tripped across one of the factors holding the Mexican economy back.
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murray hill farm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 06:27 PM
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33. I lived in Mexico for 5 years.
returned to the usa 18 mos ago. I owned property on the island where I lived. I had the 99 yr lease...and no problems. It is just like owning property. you can buy it, rent it, live in it and sell it..you can even leave it to your children in a will and they can renew the lease. The lease..if kept for 10 years (and one lives there for that 10 years) can be turned into ownership with application of citizenship...and many people do just that. Also, americans can live and work in Mexico and can own a business there as well. ONe should check these things out before making such a factless claim.
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OregonBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 07:16 PM
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45. I have. The bribes involved with getting the permits and the bribes involved
with continuing to do business were outrageeous. The people I know who do well have all had to get Mexican partners so that they can own the land and can get around the visa requirements, etc. It is very difficult and I have spent a lot of time there and have friends who have businesses.
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murray hill farm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 07:48 PM
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48. You must be talking about a different Mexico than me then.
I knew many, many americans who owned stores, real estate offices, dive businesses, bed and breakfasts, restaurants, etc...many folks. Then my son came down and started his own business there..a tackle business. No bribes, no pay offs, no Mexican partners. Not a one. My son did hire a mexican law firm to draw up the papers...almost a necessity with the language barrier, but I am sure it is a good idea anyway..whether in Mexico or the USA. What you discribe is nothing at all like it really is for Americans in Mexico.
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Jim Warren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 08:10 PM
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52. You must be talking about a different Mexico than me then
Where were you? I was in Oaxaca and it sure don't sound like any place I knew. Course when you say real estate and B&Bs, maybe your talking dropping some substantial cash. They like that.
All the people I knew in business there, ALL of them got very tired of the corruption and moved on.....or were killed. These were some gabachos, but also Dutch, German, French.....on to Costa Rica, Brazil and other parts.
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murray hill farm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 08:42 PM
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54. I lived on Isla Mujeres..off coast of Cancun.
No, the people I knew were all starting business with very little money up front...including my son. A couple of couples that I met started different B&Bs by buying run down existing homes on the island and just rehabed the homes over time to become B&Bs. Another woman I Knew started a business that arranged rentals (short and long term) and also handled the upkeep of the rental proberties..and then as that business got going, she hired other americans to work for that business. Really, where I lived there was none of the bribes or pay offs or corruption, etc. Maybe it was just that I lived in a different state than you were..and things were just that different. There were the basic hoops to jump through re: immigration. I had an FM3 which was good for a year and never had even the smallest problem with that process..other than a full day wait at the immigration office each time in Cancun. I had a retirement FM3 which did require that I show that I had imcome, but just social security that I receive was sufficient. There is also a working FM3 that most of the people I knew there had so that they could work, but the main difference was that the working fm3 folks paid taxes on their income. When I sold my house there, I did have to pay capital gains taxes to Mexico, but it was very little..just a few hundred on over $100000 sale price...so, much lower than it would have been if i sold a house in the usa. EVeryone I kknew there who were expats, were not at all wealthy. Isla was known as one of the "hippy" islands...hahaha..I guess there are 6 or 7 such islands around the globe...I dont know why...a hang over from the 60s, I guess...but by the time that I left, there were condos being built and things may have changed or will change in time, but all of the years I spent there were pleasant ones. If you would like to know more about it, google Isla Mujeres, Mexico...and you will get lots and lots of info..including how to move there and live...if you ever should desire. It is worth a look anyway. Pat
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Jim Warren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 09:14 PM
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56. Good enough Pat
My seven years were on the Coast of Oaxaca, La Costa Chica and my wife is from there. It's been a few years since my time there but not much has changed, we're in touch, big family visit the in-laws time to time.
It is different. My wife's father had taxis and even he paid mordidas all the time to the Camino Federals.

I had been to Isla, maybe 25 years ago, and all along the peninsular. Very beautiful but I loved the energy of the Pacific and that 5000 miles of blue water looking out toward the Southern Cross.

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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 05:50 PM
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5. Why are U.S. naturalized citizens from Mexico allowed to vote in Mexico's presidential elections
and U.S. presidential elections?
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 05:51 PM
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8. Why do you care?
Seriously, so what?
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 06:03 PM
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18. I care because I'm not allowed to vote in Mexico's presidential elections. n/t
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 06:05 PM
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19. I would've voted for Lopez Obrador instead of that fuckwad who won.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 08:02 PM
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50. Obrador did win. That's why Junior had to
help those other f#ckwads to steal it.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 06:28 PM
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34. Many countries allow this...
not just Mexico.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 06:29 PM
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35. To clarify
unitl five yaers ago you got naturalized in the US, you lost your mexican citizensship tht included yoru right to vote

Five years ago they passed a law that allows me to travel with a Mexican passport if I care to, but I lost my right to vote

People who write otherwise are ignorant of the facts.
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 06:56 PM
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44. I agree including Iraq. n/t
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 09:35 PM
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60. They have their rules we have ours.
It is Mexico's business who they allow to vote or not vote. It is our business who we allow to vote or not vote. There are many rules and regulations that differ from nation to nation, so what?
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-23-07 05:48 AM
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69. Multiple citizenship involves several controversial issues, see Wiki summary and links.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 06:15 PM
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29. We are not
who sold you that?

Damn it, ignorant people really drive me nuts
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 06:48 PM
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43. See "Mexicans here can vote in native land"
Edited on Tue May-22-07 06:55 PM by jody
Mexicans here can vote in native land
But Bay Area emigres will need to have an electoral card
By Lupita Figueiredo, CORRESPONDENT

For the first time, Mexicans living outside their country — including Mexican-Americans with dual citizenship — will be allowed to vote in the Mexican presidential election.

In explaining why Mexico recently changed its laws to allow outside voting in its elections, Arturo Sanchez, a Federal Electoral Institute adviser, said, "It is about recognizing the rights of Mexicans abroad."

Sanchez was in the Bay Area recently to inform people about the registration process, which begins today.


ON EDIT ADD:
Tancredo rails against Americans voting in Mexico
This is the first national election in Mexico that allowed Americans with dual citizenship to participate. More than 30,000 Mexican-Americans trekked across the Southern border to vote or cast absentee ballots, according to several news reports.


I agree "Damn it, ignorant people really drive me nuts."

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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 11:51 PM
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66. Recent change, as in very recent change
Perhaps time I get the electoral card so I can vote agains the PAN
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 05:51 PM
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7. I believe you are mistaken.
About the legality, that is...
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OregonBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 05:55 PM
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11. You cannot just go to Mexico and get a job. It is not legal. You have to get a work visa and
that is very difficult. In order to open a business you have to buy off the right people or you have to have joint Mexican ownership and buy off the right people. I have looked into it on more than one occasion.
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otherlander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 09:23 PM
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57. What about Argentina?
Would I be allowed to get a job there?
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Solo_in_MD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 05:55 PM
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10. Mexico has draconian illegal immigration laws and controls on legal immigrants are also strict
Yet when the US considers any kind immigration control there are screams of racisms and how unfair the USA is from Mexico.

The concept of parity is clearly lost on them
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 06:15 PM
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27. It only hurts them
They think like you do. Every immigrant will lose them a job. And no one wants to go there. So their economy is third world.

If they did open their borders up better, they'd do better.

But why do we have to slow down our economy just in the name of "parity?" Ours is growing and needs people, it always has. So we cut that off so we can just be as poor as they are, because "parity" is so important.

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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 06:00 PM
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14. Well the last time Mexicans welcomed us into their country
Edited on Tue May-22-07 06:03 PM by Horse with no Name
as business and homeowners, we fucking stole Texas from them. Do you blame them?
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Zywiec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 06:21 PM
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31. Yeah, I'm sure that's what they're worried about.
It's just most countries besides the US are actually allowed to have some control on who can and can't live in their country.

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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 06:43 PM
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42. Yeah what the fuck ever.
:eyes:
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fed-up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 06:01 PM
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15. same with Belize (Central America) jobs go to locals FIRST-very hard for Americans nt
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 06:02 PM
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16. Documented income
I know you have to have that, because I looked into it myself. It looks doable, but time consuming and like you have to really be careful where you put your money. I know a few people on the coast who spend winters down in Mexico and own property there.

I probably won't go now though. My daughter had this baby, see, so he's kind of got me wrapped around his itty bitty fingers...
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 06:03 PM
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17. K&R
See, if we left the US to foist up some other country (in this case, Mexico), that is treason because we are ignoring the US and its interests or giving a foreign nation access to technology.

Something along those lines...

Funny how large corporations can leave the US to set up shop everywhere else except us...
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 06:06 PM
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20. The U.S. Government, with Dumbfuck McAWOL at the helm, has lost
IT'S FUCKING MIND.
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 06:06 PM
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21. Because if the Democratic Party legalized 12,000,000 illegal immigrants, that's 12,000,000 votes.
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Wiley50 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 08:08 PM
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51. The Cubanos mostly Vote Republic. Just Sayin n/t
Edited on Tue May-22-07 08:08 PM by Wiley50
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 09:39 PM
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62. Rather a special situation. nt
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 06:09 PM
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23. Ah, well, those children deserve to live in poverty then.
If the Mexican GOVERNMENT won't let your privileged ass move there, than CLEARLY it is right and just to condemn people who happen to be born into bad conditions there to a life of poverty. Especially those humans who are brown-skinned and don't speak the "right" language, eh? Those damn Mexicans need to suck it up and be GRATEFUL we are exploiting them and their land for our corporate profits, even if it does mean more of them are working in sweatshops.

:sarcasm:

While there has been some media coverage of NAFTA's ruinous impact on US industrial communities, there has been even less media attention paid to its catastrophic effects in Mexico:

* NAFTA, by permitting heavily-subsidized US corn and other agri-business products to compete with small Mexican farmers, has driven the Mexican farmer off the land due to low-priced imports of US corn and other agricultural products. Some 2 million Mexicans have been forced out of agriculture, and many of those that remain are living in desperate poverty. These people are among those that cross the border to feed their families. (Meanwhile, corn-based tortilla prices climbed by 50%. No wonder many so Mexican peasants have called NAFTA their 'death warrant.'
* NAFTA's service-sector rules allowed big firms like Wal-Mart to enter the Mexican market and, selling low-priced goods made by ultra-cheap labor in China, to displace locally-based shoe, toy, and candy firms. An estimated 28,000 small and medium-sized Mexican businesses have been eliminated.
* Wages along the Mexican border have actually been driven down by about 25% since NAFTA, reported a Carnegie Endowment study. An over-supply of workers, combined with the crushing of union organizing drives as government policy, has resulted in sweatshop pay running sweatshops along the border where wages typically run 60 cents to $1 an hour.

So rather than improving living standards, Mexican wages have actually fallen since NAFTA. The initial growth in the number of jobs has leveled off, with China's even more repressive labor system luring US firms to locate there instead.

But Mexicans must still contend with the results of the American-owned 'maquiladora' sweatshops: subsistence-level wages, pollution, congestion, horrible living conditions (cardboard shacks and open sewers), and a lack of resources (for streetlights and police) to deal with a wave of violence against vulnerable young women working in the factories. The survival (or less) level wages coupled with harsh working conditions have not been the great answer to Mexican poverty, while they have temporarily been the answer to Corporate America's demand for low wages.


http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0425-30.htm
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ismnotwasm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 06:15 PM
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28. Amen
Excellent points.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 06:11 PM
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24. What difference does it make so long as it benefits us?
Why worry about that? What does it have to do with what benefits our economy? If our immigrants benefit our economy then we don't care whether the Mexicans lose them and don't care whether or not the Mexicans let us in.

If you really looked into them and convinced them you would benefit their economy, you could get a permit. There are Americans living in Mexico. It's just not a massive move, but if it were, the Mexicans could do little about it.

This is a non-issue. You don't want to go there. You just don't want them coming here, whether it benefits the rest of us or not.



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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 06:12 PM
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25. Under NAFTA you could
a little side agreement that people like to ignore
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 07:19 PM
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46. That's what NAFTA, Chapter Twelve, Cross-Border Trade in Services says but has anyone succeeded?
NAFTA, Chapter Twelve, Cross-Border Trade in Services

Article 1202: National Treatment

1. Each Party shall accord to service providers of another Party treatment no less favorable than that it accords, in like circumstances, to its own service providers.

2. The treatment accorded by a Party under paragraph 1 means, with respect to a state or province, treatment no less favorable than the most favorable treatment accorded, in like circumstances, by that state or province to service providers of the Party of which it forms a part.

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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 09:34 PM
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59. Who would enforce such a provision? The World Trade Organization?
I could maybe see a large entity with a lot of money being able to bring a case in court if a party is not getting equal treatment, but I doubt in the example the OP provided that a small business owner after finding he isn't getting equal treatment under NAFTA after going to Mexico and trying to start a business could find much remedy.
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-23-07 05:42 AM
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68. I assume NAFTA’s Free Trade Commission.
Chapter Twenty, Institutional Arrangements and Dispute Settlement Procedures
Article 2001: The Free Trade Commission

1. The Parties hereby establish the Free Trade Commission, comprising cabinet-level representatives of the Parties or their designees.

2. The Commission shall:

(a) supervise the implementation of this Agreement;

(b) oversee its further elaboration;

(c) resolve disputes that may arise regarding its interpretation or application;

(d) supervise the work of all committees and working groups established under this Agreement, referred to in Annex 2001.2; and

(e) consider any other matter that may affect the operation of this Agreement.

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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 06:19 PM
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30. It's actually pretty easy to do. Very few countries discourage foreign investment


http://www.solutionsabroad.com/d_setbusinessmexico.asp


a. Sociedad Anónima. It is usually recommended to incorporate a limited liability stock corporation ("Sociedad Anónima"), which may adopt the form of a fixed capital company ("S.A.") or that of a variable capital company ("S.A. de C.V."). The principal difference between the two is that the latter may increase or decrease its capital within the limits established in the By-Laws by a mere Stockholders' Meeting resolution without the need to fulfill further formalities. Nevertheless, both types of companies must notify of any capital amendment to the National Registry of Foreign Investments.

The key characteristics of both types of companies are:

i. The shareholder's liability is limited to their stock interest in the company;

ii. the directors are fully liable for the loyal and diligent administration of the company;

iii. Must have at least 2 (two) shareholders and a minimum capital of $50,000.00 MexCy. (Fifty Thousand Mexican Pesos); 20% (twenty percent) of which must be paid at the time of incorporation; and

iv. Must appoint a statutory examiner who is a disinterested third party who supervises the operations of the company and represents the interests of the shareholders;

iv. The tax rate will be the normal corporate tax rate of 35%; and

v. The shares which represent the capital stock of the company are freely transferable and can be traded publicly, after the corresponding filings take place.
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 06:25 PM
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32. Provided you obtain the FM-3, you are allowed to work in Mexico.
Ask no more. Yes, foreigners can legally work in Mexico, for any length of time, provided they obtain the required permission from the Mexican Immigrations Office. If you are one of those souls here in Mexico for an "extended stay" or longer, you may wonder, fret, or even wring your hands in worry, as the case may be, about how to acquire that most essential of documents - the work permit.

The answer's simple, although painstaking at times. It's a matter of accumulating an inordinate amount of paper work and dutifully paying the fee. Over the years I've become quite familiar with obtaining this permit, known as an FM-3 Visa and would like to share the procedure with you. Please bear in mind that minor changes may occur and expect the entire procedure to require at least several trips to the Immigrations Office; in my own experience, up to five. Also, make sure to have two photo copies of each document that you present.

http://www.mexconnect.com/mex_/travel/jblack/jbworkpermit.html

You may also start a business in Mexico.

Under the Foreign Investment Law of 1993 and the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), most economic activities in Mexico, whether in manufacturing or services, are open to 100 percent participation by U.S. and Canadian investors.
Only a few areas are completely restricted or limited to minority participation. Some areas which previously had been reserved to the government, especially in the infrastructure sectors, are now being opened to private investment, and certain areas such as financial services which had been reserved to Mexican investors are now available to foreign investors as well.

http://www.mexconnect.com/mex_/businesssetup.htm
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 06:31 PM
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36. Maybe someone could convince Congress to include that as a condition
for taking guest workers.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 06:31 PM
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37. See Nafta, it is in there already
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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 06:33 PM
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38. The bribes to make it legal would be less
than your taxes here.
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Jim Warren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 06:42 PM
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41. Not so fast
I was on a sliding scale.....a one way sliding scale. Resist at your peril. I'd seen people deported and all property seized, to make an example of the futility of resisting, more so as a foreigner of course.

There is an old saying among expats familiar with Mx: Don't bring anything to Mexico you can't afford to do without.
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Jim Warren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 06:34 PM
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39. Oh, but you can
I did, for seven years, and it was so successful it put me out of business.
La Mordida, as in pay-offs. The more successful the bigger the bite.
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 06:36 PM
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40. you should mexico's immigration policies if you think ours are bad nt
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Madspirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 08:13 PM
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53. Yeah Because
Yeah...exactly the same...someone so poor they risk their life and limb to come here for a better life and end up barely eking it out while still trying to send money home to support parents...is EXACTLY the same as someone going to Mexico with enough money to start a business. Yup...this is really exactly the same..no difference...noperooni....equivalent. :rofl:

Lee
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Jim Warren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 09:28 PM
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58. the problem with that argument
"someone so poor they risk their life and limb to come here for a better life and end up barely eking it out while still trying to send money home to support parents"

So, you can speak for all 12 to 20M migrant workers that they are sending back to Gram, because that's the way you frame it. Not just you but the whole debate is often touched with a heavily over-the-top emotionalism. There are more considerations to it than people trying to feel good about how compassionate they are.



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Madspirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 09:45 PM
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64. Texan
Edited on Tue May-22-07 09:47 PM by Madspirit
I have LOTS of illegal friends. How many do you even know?

...and it's not exactly difficult to look up the economic stats of the illegals. Google is your friend. They are poor. Poorer than you can even imagine.
Lee
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 10:07 PM
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65. No they are fabulously wealthy living off of our grand welfare system.
Where would you ever get the idea that the undocumented are poor?
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Madspirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-23-07 01:27 PM
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70. Yes!
Sometimes I feel like I've stumbled into a Klan meeting when I come into these threads. I'm surprised they are even allowed. The talking points are spurious at best and typically of the Right Wing credo:

1.) Make up factoids. In this case, easily proved wrong. Google is your friend and the stats are easy to find. ...and the obvious, if these people were wealthy, they could come here legally. Only the very poor have to risk their lives to sneak across the Rio Grande. ...and again, the stats are easy to find on the economic status of the majority of illegals.

2.) Second Right Wing credo: Demonize compassion. The problem is, in this case, it's not some kind of objective philosophical compassion. HE'S TALKING ABOUT MY FUCKING FRIENDS. One of whom is lovers with one of my best friends. ...and many are just plain old friend friends. He is NOTHING to me and they are CLOSE to me. Gee... There is nothing objective or philosophical about my compassion. It's in my gut as well as my heart.

Once again, I feel I have stumbled into a Klan meeting when I come into these threads, except Klan folk are honest about their motives and their meaning.
Lee
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 09:38 PM
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61. There should be a comma after the word "business"
Please separate your clauses.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 09:42 PM
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63. A brief googling indiciates that you can in fact start a small business.
Of course you need the correct paperwork (FM-3 it seems) but this mode of earning a living is actually encouraged. You will have a very tough time getting a job however.
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-23-07 01:34 PM
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71. LOL, that was a quick debunking of a pile of shit, nice work, LOL
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 11:55 PM
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67. If Mexican elites screwed our elections and then encouraged us
to feed our hungry kids on ridiculous wages in their country AND scapegoated us to gin up support for their racist Republic party, yeah. That would be unfair.
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