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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 03:32 PM
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Why are most people who are super concerned about the deficit also racists?
Why are most people who are super concerned about the deficit also racists?

My theory:

In the 1955-1965 period the federal government became viewed as taking the side of black people. If one were white and envisioned life as a racial contest then the federal government was on the "other" side. Note that 1960s movement conservatism (Goldwater, Reagan) was energized primarily by the civil rights acts and poverty assistance programs.

The emotional impetus of fiscal conservatism (sic) is a desire to destroy the federal government. This has been openly admitted by most movement conservatives at one time or another. The emotional reason the federal government must be destroyed is that the federal government is perceived to be the enemy of something. That something is white people.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 03:35 PM
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1. Because we assume people getting handouts are minorities...
Which is a racist attitude also.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 03:36 PM
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2. I'm super concerned about the deficit but not a racist. What do you mean?
I'm VERY concerned about the deficit.
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 03:38 PM
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4. You will find the word "most" in some of the better dictionaries.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 03:51 PM
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11. you will probably find "nonsequitor" also. I disagree with your OP premise.
People I know who are racists are not concerned with the deficit. People I know who are concerned with the deficit aren't racists.

If you say "most", I will counter your "most" with the same thing.
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sharp_stick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 03:52 PM
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13. And where do you get the information
that more than 50% of people "super-concerned" with the deficit are also racists. My guess you pulled it out of some bodily orifice but maybe smug replies with no more information than a zero info OP are more your speed.
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OneGrassRoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 04:38 PM
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20. Perhaps you meant to say most members of the Tea Party, who are concerned with the deficit.....

are also racists.

That would be a statement I would agree with, from personal experience.

:hi:

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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 03:37 PM
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3. They figure the deficit is entirely due to the "Welfare Queens" that Raygun warned them about. (NT)
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 03:38 PM
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5. I question your original premise
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 03:41 PM
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7. As is your right.
Are you familiar with the word "most"? It seems that many (but perhaps not most) DUers are unfamiliar with the word. It is a word in the premise you question.

Would you suggest that there is not a very high correlation of the two attitudes?
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 03:52 PM
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14. I say the correlation is opposite of what you say.
"Why are most people who are super concerned about the deficit also racists?" They aren't but the opposite.
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JamesA1102 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 03:41 PM
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6. I'm concerned about the deficit
but think that the way to cut the deficit is to raise taxes on the rich and large coporations while cutting defense spending in half or more.

Does that make me a racist?
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 03:43 PM
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8. Depends whether you have ever encountered the word "most" before.
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roamer65 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 03:45 PM
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9. The Rethugs has 8 years under the Idiot to balance the budget.
Edited on Sat Oct-30-10 03:52 PM by roamer65
Did they? No.

So, their "concern" over deficits is just a lie and it shows that their support of them is just a sham.

Any government truly concerned about deficits will have to make massive cuts across the board...INCLUDING the Defense budget. They will also have to pass large tax increases.

I have to admit that David Cameron in Britain is doing just this, but I think the economic constriction it will cause in Britain will make him a short term PM. Austerity is just not popular.

I really don't there is a connection between the desire for fiscal responsibility and racism. Governments eventually have to be fiscally responsible, or they risk currency crises.

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Donald Ian Rankin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 03:48 PM
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10. Why are most people who ask questions with implicit assumptions making themselves look foolish? N.T.
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 03:51 PM
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12. That's a loaded question! Some "people who are super concerned about the deficit" know their
taxes both present and future are being wasted.

I know many people from all ethnic groups who believe that.

I accept my responsibility as a member of society to pay over 65% of every extra dollar I earn in taxes but I become very, very angry when politicians waste my taxes on programs that do not improve the economy, nor education, nor health, welfare, etc.

I am a member of that group "who are super concerned about the deficit" and proud to be a Yellow Dog Democrat for over half a century.
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 03:57 PM
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15. Maybe we'll figure it out when we get a handle on the most obsessed with the issue
vote so overwhelmingly for those who always jack it up by multiples and expand the government drastically, typically in very personally invasive ways.

The deficit panicers also tend to favor doing silly shit that will make it worse by killing revenue and increasing poverty.

The deficit is a problem to solve not religious issue. It cannot logically be looked at in isolation of what the supposed corrective steps do to the broader economy and of course the real life people whom without the economy and deficit would be meaningless academic exercises.

The people that are really against the deficits are those of us telling the fucking idiots not to create them for non-investment idiocy but the "deficits don't matter" crew (aka the bulk of the current bellowers) would hear nothing of paying off the debt and investing in our crumbling and out of date infrastructure, oh no then they wanted ruinous tax cuts, insane wars, and absurd corporate communism.

Focusing on the deficit now when we're in a fucking crash is most likely to do way more harm than good unless your world is fueled by cheap money from the Government rather than labor and innovation.
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 04:18 PM
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17. IMO the only way to improve our economy is through government programs that directly increase
manufacturing jobs.

Economic growth begins whenever someone grows something or extracts something from the earth and then intelligent, creative people join with entrepreneurs to manufacture new products.

Those who tout macroeconomic policies apparently believe they can influence micro economic outcomes but I've not seen that happen.

:puke: on politicians, bankers, and misguided economic advisors who created our current economic debacle and increased their power and wealth at the same time.
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 04:10 PM
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16. That's an easy one. Ignorance.
The same character flaw that would lead you to fear minorities is responsible for causing irrational fear of fiat accounting.
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enough Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 04:33 PM
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18. This was a conscious and explicitly stated strategy of GOP thinkers and operatives.
When it became socially unacceptable to use pure straightforward racism as a rallying cry, they very explicitly decided to use "big government," "welfare," "entitlements," etc. etc. as a substitute because they were aware that their listeners equated domestic spending with spending on black people and other minorities, and that this was a very reliable prejudice to exploit. People like Roger Ailes were not shy about stating this explicitly and using it at every opportunity.
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Zoeisright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 04:36 PM
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19. Those people are Beckheads. They are only concerned about what he tells them
to be concerned about. They didn't give a flying fuck about the deficit when Bush the lesser was pushing it through the stratosphere. And they've always been racists. The election of President Obama just brought it out.
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