Democrats must decide if we are a Party for the People or a Party for the Corporations.

We cannot be both.

After the elections, COngress will return for a lameduck session. At the top of the agenda will be whether or not to extend the Bush taxcuts. The Republicans will argue that we cannot raise taxes during a recession. This is the only time they admit that we are in a recession. The Democrats will argue that we should continue the taxcuts for those making less than $200K per year. It will be a bitter battle.

But we should take note that corporations and Big Businesses are sitting on about $2 trillion dollars in revenue right now. There is no shortage of revenue for them to invest. They do not need a taxcut. We need to end the taxcuts they are presently enjoying. That should be the Democratic position.

And we should take note of all those Democrats that agree with the Republicans that the corporations need more tax breaks. They are not doing any of us any favors. There is no middle ground on this issue. They are either with We, the People, or they are with the Corporations and Big Businesses. No issue is more definitive than the extension of the Bush taxcuts.

tax cut for EVERYONE

works (Bills passed into laws) and by their works they shall be known. The great majority of legislation passed has enormous benefits for corporation embedded therein, almost all at and to the detriment of the people. :shrug:

The current party leadership, IMHO, is controlled by corpo-crats.

You're either with the people and get my vote or with the corporations and lose my vote.

I'm done spending time, energy, and money on these politicians that support corporate interests before the peoples needs.

I gotta go Dem, though, even if they are only 75% better than Republicans when it comes to keeping corporations in their place. We are not the anti-corporate party. We are actually pro-corporate in that we want an honest, stable business environment. We don't want a few bad corporate players ruining the country.

I don't want anyone to get the impression that Dems don't care about good stock prices or business. We just want the game managed for the benefit of all concerned. No game is any good without rules. The GOP's idea of freedom and power for corporations ruins business by, for example, letting big corporations wipe out smaller competitors through lobbying.

GOP is bad for business. Games need refs.

For example - if not helping corporations hurts workers is that ok - or can we help corporations if it help keeps jobs even if the corporations also benefit.

If helping individual workers creates more unemployment because of effects on corporations or employment demands is that ok? For example, South Africa has the best union protection I think in the world but 50% unemployment - is that ok?

The OP is specifically about the bush tax cuts for the wealthy. Are you suggesting that allowing them to expire would hurt economic stability?

Are you in favor of the bush tax cuts?

The only involvement we need with corporations is to negotiate for better wages and benefits and to stop sending jobs overseas. They don't need our encouragement. They can make it without it.

Can you provide a link that proves South Africa is 1)the best union protections in the world and 2)that unemployment is at 50%?

I can only find a link that says the have the best union protections in Africa. And the unemployment was around 25% in May.

http://www.southafrica.info/business/economy/policies/tradeunions.htm

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703866704575223993865587422.html

for another three months. It's like the media is stuck on stupid. They never call out these hosers who know better and probably don't care. It's just like a party platform plank that no one gives a shit about. But I have faith in the Dems to fuck it up with compromise.They are so afraid of the big bad wolf. WTF. The worse that could happen is you lose your job in Congress and go back to what you used to do or go to work as a lobbyist.

corporations. The news will reflect whatever they need it to so they can get the benefits they work so hard for.

The Democratic Party Base Needs to Apply Constant Pressure on the Leadership and get out there and oppose cuts to any longstanding programs which were fought for and won by activists.

This includes:

1. A Woman's Right to Choose
2. Social Security
3. Medicare
4. Medicaid
5. Education (Oppose Privatization of Public Education and NCLB
6. Housing
7. Unions
8. Tenure
9. Gay Rights
10. Oppose U.S. Imperialism and Military Adventures

are they the corporations or are they us??? WE ARE THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY. How can we convince those who sold out to the corporations to change their stripes? How can we demand that the voice of the people not only be counted accurately but that our voices actually mean more than corporate money??

There are a lot of questions to ask at this junction.

any part of the Democratic Party. We can reject them just as fast as they can reject us!!!

You know that.

What we need to do is quit holding our noses and voting for someone just because they have a "D" after their name. We haven't left the Party, the Party "Leaders" have left us. We need to be more responsible in our voting, even if it means letting the republicans completely destroy the Country so that they can finally be seen for what they are.

Face it, we aren't going to see any real change until we start electing leaders that still serve We, the People or barring that, taking to the streets. There's an old saying that still rings true in many ways: sometimes you have to tear down the very foundation, for the ultimate purpose of rebuilding.

We need to set term limits, and we need to stop electing multi-millionaires who are too out of touch with the common man/working class in this Country.

I think this is a major problem with the Democratic Party, as witnessed by a few responses on this thread.

Change involves destruction and construction. I think most Democrats want the corporate powers to be taken down, while we the people are left standing--so we can construct/preserve/conserve our own safety and well being--including those teabaggers!!

I do not think we want to wreak so much destruction, anger and hate that America's infrastructure, natural resources and innocent people become collateral damage. But in the corporate version of change, they are the only ones left standing.

Thanks for the thread, kentuck.

In reality Democrats only vote for Democrats to stop the Republicans from gaining power, corporate power doesn't matter .
Nothing will change until it's too late .

The Democratic Party Base Needs to Apply Constant Pressure on the Leadership and get out there and oppose cuts to any longstanding programs which were fought for and won by activists.

This includes:

1. A Woman's Right to Choose
2. Social Security
3. Medicare
4. Medicaid
5. Education (Oppose Privatization of Public Education and NCLB
6. Housing
7. Unions
8. Tenure
9. Gay Rights
10. Oppose U.S. Imperialism and Military Adventures

on any of those 10 programs. A Democrat "Leader" is going to automatically support those programs. Otherwise I'm not seeing a Democrat.:shrug:

We need to re-discover our true identity.

"Democratic" politician, that I have voted for to do the right thing. I'm not doing it again, if a blue dog want to vote against my ideals, I'm voting against them.

Because what's up with everything favoring corporations these days?

No serious player in US electoral politics can be, nor ever has been anything but a bulwark of capitalism, not allowed. Possible exception being the Republican Party of 1860-1868. Face it, even the New Deal's primary purpose was to preserve capitalism in the face of the growing socialism of the masses.

Totally agree with your points, and reinforce them:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x9425839