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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-10 05:20 PM
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God Almighty. The barbarians have reached the gate for our Social Security and Medicare.
November 10, 2010


3:35 PM ET THE DETAILS

The draft put out by the commission chairs has been released, coming in at 50 pages. The overarching goal, Simpson and Bowles write, is to achieve "nearly $4 trillion in deficit reduction through 2020" while reducing "the deficit to 2.2% of GDP by 2015."

How they get there is going to be a matter of contention as other commission members have already stressed their displeasure with the suggestions. But here are a few of the more noteworthy suggestions.

• Roll discretionary spending back to FY2010 levels for FY2012, requires 1% cut in discretionary budget authority every year from FY2013 though 2015;

• Fully offset the cost of the "Doc Fix" by asking doctors and other health providers, lawyers, and individuals to take responsibility for slowing health care cost growth;

• Reduce farm subsidies by3 billion per year by reducing direct payments and other subsidies;

• Achieve100 billion in Illustrative Defense Cuts;

• Index retirement age for Social security to increases in longevity. "This option is projected to increase the age by one month every two years after it reaches 67 under current law, meaning the normal retirement age would reach 68 in about 2050 and 69 in about 2075." There will be a "hardship exemption" for those unable to work beyond 62;

• Give retirees the choice of collecting half their benefits early and the other half at a later age to minimize impact of actuarial reduction and support phased retirement options;

• Reduce corporate tax rate to 26% and permanently extend the research credit;

• Gradually increase gas tax to fund transportation spending.
(From this link)




Debt Commission Report Targets Social Security, Medicare, November 10, 2010


3:28 PM ET Debt Commission Targets Social Security, Medicare

Today's upcoming report by the White House's fiscal commission is expected to include recommendations to raise the retirement age for Social Security and cut Medicare benefits -- two policy prescriptions that will be met with deep opposition from Democrats and some Republicans -- according to a source who has been briefed on the proposal.

The chairmen of the commission will unveil their overarching recommendations for debt and deficit reduction on Wednesday afternoon, weeks before the official unveiling is expected.

The findings are not the final report of the commission, officially known as the National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform. Rather they are the specific suggestions of its two chairs, former Sen. Alan Simpson and former White House Chief of Staff Erskine Bowles. The ultimate findings will require the support of 14 members of the 18-member commission. And at this juncture it is unclear if the votes are there, sources familiar with deliberation say.

In the process of pursuing their reforms for Social Security and Medicare, the commission chairs are expected to suggest that the end result will be a 70 percent cut in benefits and 30 percent increase in revenues, according to the source familiar with the upcoming announcement.

"What a crazy proposal, what a crazy proposal," said a Democratic source briefed on the findings. "I expect that the White House is going to distance itself big-time from this, saying this is just the chairman not the commission."





Here's a chart of the 18 members of the Catfood Commission, September 1, 2010 (scroll down slightly)

Who has any confidence that ANY of these 18 members will do the right thing for the people??



First Salvo In Social Security Fight: OweNo, A $20 Million Campaign Launched With Bayh, Conrad As Allies, November 10, 2010





4:04 PM ET Grijalva: A Plan That Favors The Wealthy

Statement from Rep. Raul Grijalva (D-Ariz.), who helped organize a letter of lawmakers opposing debt commission cuts to Social Security:

If the co-chairs of the deficit commission were dead set on gutting Social Security and Medicare from the beginning, they could have saved time and effort by releasing this proposal the day after the commission was formed. Instead, we have waited through nine months of backroom negotiations only to be told that the American people will have to tighten their belts another notch while defense spending continues to grow and corporate bonuses continue to expand. The path this plan would set is not good for the public. Congress should be having a realistic, productive conversation right now about how to reduce our budget deficit and maintain a secure retirement system for those who have earned it. Instead, we’re debating a proposal from a commission dedicated to cutting crucial social programs and reducing corporate and upper-income taxes at the same time. This is not a recipe for a healthier American economy.

Real budget reform must begin by allowing the Bush-era tax cuts for the wealthiest two percent of earners to expire, as they were always designed to do. This would reduce the debt by at least $680 billion over the next 10 years, according to the Department of the Treasury. The middle class has already been hit extremely hard by the ongoing economic downturn and the housing crisis. The last thing we should do is take more money out of their pockets in the name of a conservative tax cut agenda that favors the wealthy over the rest of us.
From this link




'If Obama Opposes Ryan’s Social Security Plan, Why Did He Appoint Him to the Catfood Commission?', August 16, 2010


Votes for war come BEFORE an election. Votes to steal SS benefits come AFTER an election., September 6, 2010


This is how "THEY" will cut Social Security:, by DUer bvar22, August 18, 2010


Deficit commission co-chair says "The pig is dead. There is no more bacon to bring home.", by DUer madfloridian, August 24, 2010



Krugman:


November 10, 2010


OK, let’s say goodbye to the deficit commission. If you’re sincerely worried about the US fiscal future — and there’s good reason to be — you don’t propose a plan that involves large cuts in income taxes. Even if those cuts are offset by supposed elimination of tax breaks elsewhere, balancing the budget is hard enough without giving out a lot of goodies — goodies that fairly obviously, even without having the details, would go largely to the very affluent.

I mean, what’s this about? There is no — zero — evidence that income taxes at current rates are an important drag on growth.

Oh, and they’re talking about raising the retirement age, because people live longer — except that the people who really depend on Social Security, those in the bottom half of the distribution, aren’t living much longer. So you’re going to tell janitors to work until they’re 70 because lawyers are living longer than ever.

Still, I guess this is what it takes to get compromise, if by compromise you mean something the center-right and the hard right can agree on.





Get ready, people.



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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-10 05:26 PM
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1. what are "illustrative" defense cuts?
?
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-10 05:29 PM
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2. Beats me, but I'd wager it's another hide-the-ball maneuver.
There is nothing, NOTHING these bastards will not do to impoverish us.

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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-10 05:40 PM
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4. maybe it means "token"
that sounds like what they probably mean.
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-10 05:57 PM
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8. These guys *won't* actually cut defense spending. Not when they get rich from their wars.
The truth is very ugly right now. In fact, it has been ugly for decades.


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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-10 05:52 PM
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7. they give examples of cuts that could be made in the release
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 05:37 PM
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11. Eliminating all care and support of veterans, probably.
Speculation based on source consideration and pattern recognition.
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county worker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-10 05:34 PM
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3. Wait, I didn't see the part were they propose to end the wars, end the tax cuts for the wealthy and
Edited on Wed Nov-10-10 05:34 PM by county worker
improve the economy with a jobs bill.


We need get this to everyone you know.

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Winterblues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-10 05:48 PM
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5. Reduce Corporate Tax Rate to 26%
Now that one will surely cut the Deficit...:shrug:
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-10 05:50 PM
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6. This is where the class war starts..
God be with us..
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whathehell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-10 07:23 PM
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9. You got it......How is Obama reacting to this?
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coti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-10 08:48 PM
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10. Kick nt
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 07:30 PM
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12. Huge KICK! What an excellent post; sorry I didn't see it in time to rec.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 07:35 PM
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13. Error: you can only recommend threads which were started in the past 24 hours n/t
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